Re: ex-ATSF Class Fe-13 Auto Boxcars on the StJ&LC (was There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929)
tyesac@aol.com <tyesac@...>
It would be nice if the PDS sheets that came in the Sunshine kits could be offered up for some amount. They had a wealth of information on those cars he offered kits for.
Tom Casey
Al Westerfield was fortunate to find a capable and competent buyer for his product line in Andrew Dahm. Al was also able to work with Andrew for an extended period of time to get Andrew up to speed. This latter is critically important, and of course it wasn't possible with Sunshine. I think that, as much as anything, is why the Sunshine line wasn't picked up. -----Original Message-----
From: Tom Madden via Groups.Io <pullmanboss@...> To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Sent: Wed, May 8, 2019 11:54 pm Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ex-ATSF Class Fe-13 Auto Boxcars on the StJ&LC (was There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929) On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 10:55 AM, Donald B. Valentine wrote:
Original patterns for flat casting can take a real beating so it's really moot where they are now. And in most cases they need to be reworked to bring them up to the detail level we've come to expect today. We've discussed this before - the pattern makers retained the rights to the patterns. Frank Hodina (Resin Car Works) has re-introduced a number of models formerly offered by Sunshine, but in each case first generation flat resin castings were extensively reworked and redetailed to create new one-piece body patterns. The IC chisel side hopper, GN composite wood sheathed boxcar (patterns by Frank) and Santa Fe Rr-35/36/39/40 reefer (patterns by Charlie Slater) have been reintroduced. Also the 8000 gallon insulated tank car. Sunshine's version was a bear to assemble, so the RCW kit is based on completely new patterns. Al Westerfield was fortunate to find a capable and competent buyer for his product line in Andrew Dahm. Al was also able to work with Andrew for an extended period of time to get Andrew up to speed. This latter is critically important, and of course it wasn't possible with Sunshine. I think that, as much as anything, is why the Sunshine line wasn't picked up. Tom Madden
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Re: ex-ATSF Class Fe-13 Auto Boxcars on the StJ&LC (was There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929)
Tom Madden
On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 10:55 AM, Donald B. Valentine wrote:
Original patterns for flat casting can take a real beating so it's really moot where they are now. And in most cases they need to be reworked to bring them up to the detail level we've come to expect today. We've discussed this before - the pattern makers retained the rights to the patterns. Frank Hodina (Resin Car Works) has re-introduced a number of models formerly offered by Sunshine, but in each case first generation flat resin castings were extensively reworked and redetailed to create new one-piece body patterns. The IC chisel side hopper, GN composite wood sheathed boxcar (patterns by Frank) and Santa Fe Rr-35/36/39/40 reefer (patterns by Charlie Slater) have been reintroduced. Also the 8000 gallon insulated tank car. Sunshine's version was a bear to assemble, so the RCW kit is based on completely new patterns. Al Westerfield was fortunate to find a capable and competent buyer for his product line in Andrew Dahm. Al was also able to work with Andrew for an extended period of time to get Andrew up to speed. This latter is critically important, and of course it wasn't possible with Sunshine. I think that, as much as anything, is why the Sunshine line wasn't picked up. Tom Madden
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Re: Greif Miniatures Realistic Light Lens
Bill Welch writes:
“Didn't cabooses have lights on them?”
In our period, 1900-1960, lights carried by cabooses were commonly produced by lanterns…which are certainly included in the STMFC. Unfortunately, I cannot find a reference to cabooses in the website. Of perhaps more interest is a lengthy reference to Polyscale paints. Mike Brock
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Re: Fw: [wyodivops] Spike 150
Tony Thompson
Amen.
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Tony Thompson
On May 8, 2019, at 9:55 PM, Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:
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Re: Fw: [wyodivops] Spike 150
Andy Carlson
Hey guys--- There are numerous sites and social media places to discuss the rebirth of the Big Boy. Can't we seek that out ourselves without it clutering up this site???? Enough! -Andy Carlson Ojai CA
On Wednesday, May 8, 2019, 8:42:38 PM PDT, Allen Montgomery via Groups.Io <sandbear75@...> wrote:
Oh no. We're still gonna party like its 1869.
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Re: Fw: [wyodivops] Spike 150
Allen Montgomery
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Re: Fw: [wyodivops] Spike 150
Matt Goodman
You’ve left for home already? :)
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We also caught it four times today - Evanston, the top of Echo Canyon, bottom of Echo Canyon, Echo and Uinta. Nice. Matt Goodman Columbus, Ohio
On May 8, 2019, at 8:36 PM, Allen Montgomery via Groups.Io <sandbear75@...> wrote:
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Fw: [wyodivops] Spike 150
Allen Montgomery
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Re: There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929
mopacfirst
I have one, I know where it is. I'll have to look at it.
Ron Merrick
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Re: Greif Miniatures Realistic Light Lens
Bill Welch
Didn't cabooses have lights on them?
Bill Welch
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Re: ex-ATSF Class Fe-13 Auto Boxcars on the StJ&LC (was There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929)
charles slater
The Santa Fe Fe-13 class cars was produced by Sunshine Models and come up on EBAY from time to time.
Charlie Slater
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Scott <repairman87@...>
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 6:38 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ex-ATSF Class Fe-13 Auto Boxcars on the StJ&LC (was There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929) Don,
Looks like Westerfield is going to do some Santa Fe FE cars. Here is a part of the email they just sent out.
We are working on AT&SF Fe type furniture car Kits now.
Next are some C&NW SS boxcars.
We are also in the process of developing a new website - more later.
Scott McDonald
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Re: Greif Miniatures Realistic Light Lens
Randy, What freight car would one of these lens apply to?
Mike Brock STMFC Boss
“Greif Miniatures Realistic Light Lens”
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Re: ex-ATSF Class Fe-13 Auto Boxcars on the StJ&LC (was There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929)
Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
Thanks Scott. It's hard to believe they are calling the Fe's "Furniture Cars". with an underframe like the one I remember here had I'll bet you could carry a pair of Abrams tanks on them if you could fit them through the doors! It will be good to see such kits available, especially on a regular basis as opposed to only one short run, which is my one gripe with most of the resin casters. But this leads to another question. What became of all the masters for the Sunshine Models? some were made by others for Marty as was the Santa Fe R-11 reefer that Frank Hodina did the masters for, the nicest resin kit, and best thought out, I have ever assembled. Did those who made such masters get them back, is Patricia sitting on a lot of usable masters or what happened to them? It is a shame that someone cannot acquire them and offer the Sunshine Kits again. Cordially, Don Valentine
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Re: There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929
Jon Miller
On 5/7/2019 5:36 PM, Bill Daniels
via Groups.Io wrote:
Boy, those rivets look almost as substantial as the underframe! I have never seen that kit but that was my
first thought. Then I thought maybe the picture and lighting
and shadows. Has anyone actually looked/have/built that kit? -- Jon Miller For me time stopped in 1941 Digitrax Chief/Zephyr systems, SPROG, JMRI User NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Roof Name help
Bill Welch
Thank you for sharing this Elden. I cannot figure out how to send you a message from this site. Can you please email me at fgexbill(at)tampabay.rr.com as I have something I want to share with you.
Bill Welch
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Re: New Walthers USRA based cars
jerryglow2
I can't believe they came out with this garbage stuff which is available (usually better) by others and pass over redoing some of the P2K line. The rebuild is worst than the Atlas (and that's going some). Guess they figure on "smoke and mirrors" to fool the unknowing.
jerrryglow
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Re: B&O C-16 Question
Nelson Moyer
Yes, but the Custom Finishing (B-179) bracket used by some modelers is no longer available unless you find one in a hobby shop somewhere. It wasn’t correct for the Q, anyway, so the only option now is to scatchbuild them. Here’s the basic data.
RPC Volume 6, p. 12 Burlington Bulletin No. 7
XM-33
50 ft. single door boxcars built in 1941 8500-8549 Allied trucks 50 operational in 1952 Painted Pullman green with white lettering in 1944 Fitted with steam, air, signal hoses to run in passenger trains Wood running boards Dreadnaught ends Murphy rectangular panel roof Camel corrugated 8 ft. doors Straight side sills
As you can see, I misspoke re gold lettering. I was thinking of the converted troop kitchens (also from Walthers) that I’m working on to convert open window versions into CB&Q BE-1s. That entailed casting new ends and roof modifications. Walthers offered both the open window and plated window versions, but the open window was the original version with diaphragms. The Q removed the diaphragms, and plated the end windows, while leaving the side windows open for a few years before plating them over as well. Both plated and open ran in 1953. You could add a Q troop kitchen, since they traveled widely in storage mail service, mostly catalogs, colanders, magazines, etc.
Nelson Moyer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Matthew Hurst
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 9:35 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] B&O C-16 Question
I am modeling October 1946- April 1947. I think the XM-33 would work for my time period. They also had marker light brackets on them to...didn't they?
I'll shoot you some photos of the PRR X29s I did up for REA service. I built 12 and have 2 more to finish....Yeah I'm nuts! But the PRR ran REA trains with blocks of X29s....sometimes numbering 10-15 in one train! Needless to say...very interesting seeing passenger power pulling a pseudo freight train!
Matthew Hurst On Tue, May 7, 2019, 9:26 PM Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:
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Re: SAL Express Cars [was B&O C-16 Question]
Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
Nelson,
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Some Seaboard express cars looked like the attached photo. Does anybody make a Wine ventilator casting like this? Looks like a good candidate for a computer-generated part. According to John Golden's article in the May 2009 SEABOARD COAST LINE MODELER these are former class B-6, a slightly modified 1932 AAR design with plate ends and a 31' 2" truck spacing. 55 cars were rebuilt as express cars 700-754 in 1943 with Wine ventilators and Allied Full Cushion trucks. The trucks were replaced with Buckeye trucks circa 1951. Seaboard added 755-769 to the express series in the 1960s, but they lacked the Wine ventilators. I found this car in rural southern Virginia in 1982 or 1983. Yours Aye, Garth Groff
On 5/7/19 9:26 PM, Nelson Moyer wrote:
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Re: B&O C-16 Question
Matthew Hurst
I am modeling October 1946- April 1947. I think the XM-33 would work for my time period. They also had marker light brackets on them to...didn't they? I'll shoot you some photos of the PRR X29s I did up for REA service. I built 12 and have 2 more to finish....Yeah I'm nuts! But the PRR ran REA trains with blocks of X29s....sometimes numbering 10-15 in one train! Needless to say...very interesting seeing passenger power pulling a pseudo freight train! Matthew Hurst
On Tue, May 7, 2019, 9:26 PM Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:
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Re: New England Prototype Meet (Casual) Op Session
Dave Owens
That is really good of you, Randy. Thanks! Dave
On May 7, 2019, at 8:28 PM, Randy Hammill <nhrr@...> wrote:
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