Re: New Walthers USRA based cars
I'm taking it all in stride... nature seems to select for mediocrity. In the end, Walthers shall prevail. :-D It's like politics. Try to tune it out. You'll have more peace of mind. 8-) Tim O'
On 4/30/2019 8:43 PM, Benjamin Hom
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: Pennsylvania X26c Box car
Paul Doggett
Lester
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That’s a fine looking build. Paul Doggett. England 🏴
On 1 May 2019, at 18:14, Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:
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Re: Manufacturers Railway Mather box
Mark,
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I agree that the plastic grab irons are too fragile for general use, which is why I am now replacing them with wire. I have an Intermountain USRA composite gondola on the bench that got wire grab irons on the second side last night and once painted,
will get decaled for the AB&C.
Regards
Bruce
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Pennsylvania X26c Box car
Lester Breuer
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Re: Manufacturers Railway Mather box
Dennis Storzek
On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 08:59 AM, Ray Breyer wrote:
I have a simpler suggestion. It should be obvious to anyone here that WKW rates roadnames as to saleability, which explains why some roads for a given prototype are never offered, while other roads that are only close 'stand-ins' are. In the case of the Mather cars, all were leased, typically to roads that are negative numbers on the 'saleability index', so marketing is going to say, "Why bother?" and they don't. Dennis Storzek
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WP ribside car
Clark Propst
Thanks to those who replied to my query for a friend he was able to do a 'creditable' model of one of the Milwaukee ribside cars sold to the WP. Attached
CW Propst
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Re: Manufacturers Railway Mather box
Rossiter, Mark W <Mark.Rossiter@...>
Ray, I agree with much of what you stated. Most of the old P2K line can be picked up for a song. In my opinion, they are no more difficult to assemble than the Gould/Tichy, Red Caboose or Intermountain kits. One of the reasons for the fire sale pricing on P2K kits may be that they flooded the market with them. One of the few remaining LHS in our area still has shelves full of P2K six-packs.
The problem with any of the plastic kits with fine details (RTR or otherwise) is that they do not stand up well to handling. Many modelers who regularly run their cars seem to gravitate towards the molded on details sooner or later. I'd love to see highly detailed freight cars on our club layout, but we have too many ham-fisted members who think it's OK to pick up three and four cars at a time. Mark Rossiter
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Re: this nice shot of the GM&O freight house
Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Hi Jeff,
Thanks for those images. In the aerial photo, one
can make out what appears to be a few trucks loading on the side of the building
that cannot be seen in the photo.
Claus Schlund
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Re: Manufacturers Railway Mather box
Ray Breyer
>>>Vince Altiere asked: >>>"Since Walthers purchased the Proto lne, as far as I know, they have never made a new run of the Mather BOXCARS. >>>Is this right? Does anyone know why?" >>>Too busy putting out garbage like those "USRA" house cars. >>>Ben Hom Sadly, the real answer is simpler: the "great unwashed masses" were afraid of the kits, and didn't buy them. Even Life Like had a hard time selling the kits: the RTR models sold well enough, but soon after the kits were released they could be found at deep discounts because retailers couldn't give them away. Most of the P2K Mather cars I have I bought for $5 new, even the "timesaver" kits with grabs pre-installed. Since the kits didn't sell, Walthers probably decided that the models would never sell in any manner, so shelved the tooling. Ray Breyer Elgin, IL _._,_._,_
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Re: Manufacturers Railway Mather box
vincent altiere
Ben- Thanks for the quick reply, I suppose we can always hope for a rerun of those cars.
Vince Altiere
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From: Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Sent: Wed, May 1, 2019 11:16 am Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Manufacturers Railway Mather box Vince Altiere asked:
"Since Walthers purchased the Proto lne, as far as I know, they have never made a new run of the Mather BOXCARS. Is this right? Does anyone know why?"
Too busy putting out garbage like those "USRA" house cars.
Ben Hom
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Re: Manufacturers Railway Mather box
Benjamin Hom
Vince Altiere asked: "Since Walthers purchased the Proto lne, as far as I know, they have never made a new run of the Mather BOXCARS. Is this right? Does anyone know why?" Too busy putting out garbage like those "USRA" house cars. Ben Hom
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Re: Manufacturers Railway Mather box
vincent altiere
Eric and all- Since Walthers purchased the Proto lne, as far as I know, they have never made a new un of the Mather BOXCARS. Is this right? Does anyone know why ?
Vince Altiere
East Hanover,New Jersey
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From: Eric Hansmann <eric@...> To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Sent: Tue, Apr 30, 2019 8:32 pm Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Manufacturers Railway Mather box Here’s a link to the August 2003 Railmodel Journal. Richard Hendrickson’s Mather boxcar article starts on page 45. He features prototype photos of the cars produced by Proto2000.
Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steven D Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 6:19 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Manufacturers Railway Mather box Clarification – The TC prototypes were 8’ 6” IH, taller than the what the P2K cars represent, which are 7’8” IH cars, if I recall correctly.
Steve Johnson
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steven D Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 5:56 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Manufacturers Railway Mather box Proto 2000 produced the Mather boxcar decorated for Tennessee Central, but the TC prototypes were the taller version. Sunshine produced the taller and correct TC model.
I seem to recall hearing that the P2K Mather boxcars were based off their Mather stock car, thus the boxcar models were of the lower height version.
Steve Johnson
Nashville, TN
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 11:37 AM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Manufacturers Railway Mather box Big surprise here, folks: proto2000 only made one height of Mather car.
Tony Thompson
On Apr 30, 2019, at 6:19 AM, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:
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Re: New Walthers USRA based cars
Benjamin Hom
Marty McGuirk wrote: "...sorry Ben, the Atlas rebuild is a gem compared with these things(!)* At least it has a somewhat legit looking side sill." I'd take the Atlas rebuild over these as it's not too hard to turn the 8-panel side model with 5/5/5 Murphy ends into a legit model of the ACL/C&WC or SL-SF cars. Larry Kline corrected the side sill on the Atlas O version, and it looked good. "All that said, I'm actually not surprised at Walthers choice of prototypes, considering the "late steam" era seems to be experiencing a renaissance of late. But knowing full well who has the helm at Walthers product development, I'd be shocked if the decision to make these cars wasn't the result of some sort of customer survey - and I'm not shocked at all the execution of same." Can these people be the same ones also run the Walthers Proto line? Ben Hom
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Re: New Walthers USRA based cars
Benjamin Hom
Don Valentine wrote: "I'm sure some will disagree vehemently but I will take the Ertl cars over this junk any day of the week. Hopefully what Walthers is depicting are only pre-production samples. If not, as stated, the Ertl cars are quite satisfactory and can be improved with little effort." There's a nice USRA DS boxcar model hiding in that Ertl box. The major faults (which can be easily fixed) are as follows: - Most of the paint and lettering schemes are bogus or poorly executed, the result of following a fantasy Mainline Modeler lettering summary. - The weathering is overstated and too consistent from model to model. - The model comes with cast steel trucks and should be replaced with Andrews trucks. - The models come without additional weight to allow the addition of loads that were marketed separately. - The styrene grabs are a bit heavy, but are easily replaced with wire grabs. These are still fairly common on the secondary market. The original MSRP was ridiculously high, but many freight car models were sold at very reasonable prices as Ertl departed the HO market. I picked up a bunch when The Great Train Store chain went out of business. Ertl did not make a USRA SS boxcar or rebuilt boxcar. Ben Hom
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Re: New Walthers USRA based cars
Eric Hansmann
Tony,
While the single-sheathed car is not labeled as a USRA car, the web address for the model insinuates it’s a USRA car. https://www.walthers.com/40-usra-composite-boxcar-ready-to-run-undecorated
And this is in the product description.
Based on later rebuilds and upgrades of standard 40' boxcars designed by the United States Railroad Administration (USRA) introduced during WWI, these cars would remain in general freight service into the 1960s, with many rebuilt for work train service lasting into the 1980s.
Which is the same wording used in the product description for the rebuilt USRA car models.
Based on later rebuilds and upgrades of standard 40' boxcars designed by the United States Railroad Administration (USRA) introduced during WWI, these cars would remain in general freight service into the 1960s, with many rebuilt for work train service lasting into the 1980s.
Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Thompson
Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 8:58 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] New Walthers USRA based cars
I note that they don't actually call their single-sheathed car a USRA, which is good because of course it isn't, much more like the ARA design, though pretty poorly rendered. In looking at these, and thinking how far we have (mostly) come in model freight cars, I'm just glad Richard Hendrickson isn't here to see these Walthers things.
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Re: New Walthers USRA based cars
Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
I'm sure some will disagree vehemently but I will take the Ertl cars over this junk any day of the week. Hopefully what Walthers is depicting are only pre-production samples. If not, as stated, the Ertl cars are quite satisfactory and can be improved with little effort. They can often be found on eBay at very attractive prices if one is patient. I particularly like the very tin but operable door on then which also allows one to paper the door like the prototypes were often found to keep specific cargoes clean. Cordially, Don Valentine
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Re: New Walthers USRA based cars
Benjamin Hom
Bruce Smith wrote: "40' Early Wood Reefer This looks like a USRA reefer." Disappoinment grows...this looks more a generic 40 ft reefer than any representation of a USRA-design reefer. Quick summary of these cars at the Westerfield website: This could have been a winner...even though the USRA-design cars were exclusively Santa Fe, that fact would guarantee sales. Ben Hom
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Re: New Walthers USRA based cars
Tony Thompson
I note that they don't actually call their single-sheathed car a USRA, which is good because of course it isn't, much more like the ARA design, though pretty poorly rendered. In looking at these, and thinking how far we have (mostly) come in model freight cars, I'm just glad Richard Hendrickson isn't here to see these Walthers things.
Tony Thompson
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Re: New Walthers USRA based cars
Marty McGuirk
Before I looked at the photos my immediate thought was the TMI tooling had come back somehow. Then I looked at the pictures. Ugh. In addition to the other comments I swear that it looks like the boards on the DS cars are too wide - or am I seeing things? And sorry Ben, the Atlas rebuild is a gem compared with these things(!)* At least it has a somewhat legit looking side sill. All that said, I'm actually not surprised at Walthers choice of prototypes, considering the "late steam" era seems to be experiencing a renaissance of late. But knowing full well who has the helm at Walthers product development, I'd be shocked if the decision to make these cars wasn't the result of some sort of customer survey - and I'm not shocked at all the execution of same. Hard pass. Marty McGuirk *For the record I did own one Atlas rebuilt box .... for a while.
On May 1, 2019 at 9:12 AM Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:
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Re: New Walthers USRA based cars
Dennis Storzek
On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 05:24 PM, Bruce Smith wrote:
I'll say... on the double sheathed cars, too!
They've made the same mistake that Train Miniature made fifty or so years ago, they read the call out on the drawing that the sheathing is "5-1/4" D&M" and didn't realize that the 5-1/4" siding has a center groove, meaning that the grooves should be spaced 2-5/8" apart. In actuality, it looks like the design and engineering for these new cars was limited to measuring some old Train Miniature bodies. Dennis Storzek
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