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Re: GTW 583200 series autocar with 7' door - what era?

Robert kirkham
 

I tried again; so did one of my daughters.  We both get “

Error establishing a database connection

No idea why. I may have to go furrow through the magazine collection in storage.

 Rob

On Nov 21, 2020, at 9:57 AM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:

Rob,

It worked for me just before I sent that response. It is very slow to load, and bringing up the particular issue also takes time (they are very large PDFs). The nice part is that they are free!

Keep trying.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆
Re: Photo: NP Automobile Boxcar 6181 (1934)

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Even though I’ve zoomed in quite a ways, could someone confirm my impression that this is a wood-sheathed car?

 

The door’s wood, but I am not completely sure that the car side is wood.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 11:52 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: NP Automobile Boxcar 6181 (1934)

 

Photo: NP Automobile Boxcar 6181 (1934)

A photo from the Denver Public Library:

https://digital.denverlibrary.org/digital/collection/p15330coll22/id/57922/rec/104

Click on the arrows in the upper right hand corner of the photo to enlarge it and scroll to enlarge it further.

Car built in 1923.

The car's reporting marks are repeated on the right end.

Although not legible, there is a car inspection card above the right wheel of the left truck.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA
Re: GTW 583200 series autocar with 7' door - what era?

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Rob,

It worked for me just before I sent that response. It is very slow to load, and bringing up the particular issue also takes time (they are very large PDFs). The nice part is that they are free!

Keep trying.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 11:49 AM Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:
Thanks for the reference Garth.  I’m having some trouble getting to that page this morning - everything I try ends with not making a data base connection.

Rob

On Nov 21, 2020, at 3:59 AM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:

Rob,

This series of boxcars is discussed in the article "Modeling 40-Foot CN Steel-Frame Box Cars, Part III, Type E Cars In HO Scale From Steam Shack Kits" by Stafford Swain in the February 2001 RAILMODEL JOURNAL. If you don't have this issue, it can be found on the TRAINLIFE LIBRARY web site at https://www.trainlife.com/pages/the-magazine-library . If you are interested in the rebuilt all-steel single-door version of this car, there are two photos.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 1:11 AM Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:
Just realized my first e-mail, (repeating a typo on the F&C site), used a 5 digit number, not the 6 digits series on the decals or in the ORER.    So maybe I'm only flagging my mistake, (but hoping there is an earlier 5 digit number series from pre-1953 that helps make sense of this kit in 1946.)

Rob



Fw: [RealSTMFC] Photos: "New Roof" Stencil (1945-1946)

dahminator68
 

Hello Tom.  The D&RGW 3000 series ng boxcars only had metal parts in the body bolsters and roof carlines (not all roofs).  No metal sills or sill reinforcements that I have heard of.  All sills were wood.
There were other ng cars with metal sills, mostly later flat cars.

Andrew Dahm


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On Friday, November 20, 2020, 8:21 PM, Thomas Evans via groups.io <tomkevans@...> wrote:

I believe those are Murphy roofs.
The 3000-series Rio Grande boxcars were extensively rebuilt about this time in the 1920's.
This roughly coincided with the addition of the larger Mikados & other improvements.
Note the rebuild dates in the lower right hand corner of the car side usually matches the new roof date.
I believe that they received steel center sills & body bolsters, etc. at this time.
I've always felt that they look oddly too small when compared to other narrow gauge equipment (especially the later 2-8-2 locomotives)
& wondered why the Rio Grande didn't go for larger cars.
I suppose it was a matter of cost.

Tom

Re: Photos: "New Roof" Stencil (1945-1946)

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I’ve never noticed the X-bracing on the inside of a car’s roof.  Unusual, or no?

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of np328
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 12:36 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: "New Roof" Stencil (1945-1946)

 

This struck an odd note and sure enough, my post 163462 has a partial image of a car with "New Plastic Roof" and some numbers in roughly the same position on the car here:
https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/pnp/fsa/8a04000/8a04700/8a04764v.jpg   
More than just a coincidence and another day, another modeling mystery.                                             Jim Dick - St. Paul, MN 

Photo: NP Automobile Boxcar 6181 (1934)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: NP Automobile Boxcar 6181 (1934)

A photo from the Denver Public Library:

https://digital.denverlibrary.org/digital/collection/p15330coll22/id/57922/rec/104

Click on the arrows in the upper right hand corner of the photo to enlarge it and scroll to enlarge it further.

Car built in 1923.

The car's reporting marks are repeated on the right end.

Although not legible, there is a car inspection card above the right wheel of the left truck.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA
Re: GTW 583200 series autocar with 7' door - what era?

Robert kirkham
 

Thanks for the reference Garth.  I’m having some trouble getting to that page this morning - everything I try ends with not making a data base connection.

Rob

On Nov 21, 2020, at 3:59 AM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:

Rob,

This series of boxcars is discussed in the article "Modeling 40-Foot CN Steel-Frame Box Cars, Part III, Type E Cars In HO Scale From Steam Shack Kits" by Stafford Swain in the February 2001 RAILMODEL JOURNAL. If you don't have this issue, it can be found on the TRAINLIFE LIBRARY web site at https://www.trainlife.com/pages/the-magazine-library . If you are interested in the rebuilt all-steel single-door version of this car, there are two photos.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 1:11 AM Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:
Just realized my first e-mail, (repeating a typo on the F&C site), used a 5 digit number, not the 6 digits series on the decals or in the ORER.    So maybe I'm only flagging my mistake, (but hoping there is an earlier 5 digit number series from pre-1953 that helps make sense of this kit in 1946.)

Rob



Re: Slide and Negative Scanners

Mont Switzer
 

OK guys, at the risk of sounding like the hack that I am, I developed a method years ago of digitizing slides in a hurry.  The resulting photo is usually needed for a model in process.

 

I have a device that is like a small light table that I used to use when sorting color slides.  It still comes in handy for this.  I also learned that I could set up a designated spot on the light table and aim my camera with close up lens at it.  Then all I had to do was scoot the slide(s) into that spot, focus on the subject in the slide and take a digital image.  Pretty quick.

 

This is not a museum quality operation, but when you consider that my hobby is building models, it serves my purposes pretty well.

 

Yes, I have a 3600 dpi slide scanner for the more critical digital conversions, but I don't let it slow my model building down.   

 

Mont Switzer 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] on behalf of devansprr [devans1@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 1:04 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Slide and Negative Scanners

Charlie,

This is an interesting alternative, although it only works for 35mm slides. It came up on the RR Historical Society SIG group. Credit to Jeff Eggert over at CNWHS:

http://www.yardoffice.com/archives/howto/slideshootingdslr.html

In addition to being pretty fast, if you already have a slide projector and DLSR, it is of nominal cost.

At some point I need to use this setup for my non-RR family slide collection. I used a Canon film scanner in the past, and liked it very much, but it has suffered a hardware failure after about 15 years and I have not yet attempted a repair (nor do I know if parts are available.)

But my Canon scanner could never scan close to the 300 slides per hour rate that Jeff claims.

Dave Evans

Re: GTW 58300 series autocar with 7' door - what era?

Andy Laurent
 

Rob,

GTW boxcars were typically in 6-figure number series.  Do you mean 583000?  I see 8'4" door 573000-series auto cars (axle loading), and 583200-series 10'6" door cars in the 1950 ORER.

Andy L. 
Wisconsin
Re: GTW 583200 series autocar with 7' door - what era?

James Brewer
 

Rob,

From Ian Cranstone's web site:


Jim Brewer

On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 7:00 AM Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:
Rob,

This series of boxcars is discussed in the article "Modeling 40-Foot CN Steel-Frame Box Cars, Part III, Type E Cars In HO Scale From Steam Shack Kits" by Stafford Swain in the February 2001 RAILMODEL JOURNAL. If you don't have this issue, it can be found on the TRAINLIFE LIBRARY web site at https://www.trainlife.com/pages/the-magazine-library . If you are interested in the rebuilt all-steel single-door version of this car, there are two photos.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 1:11 AM Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:
Just realized my first e-mail, (repeating a typo on the F&C site), used a 5 digit number, not the 6 digits series on the decals or in the ORER.    So maybe I'm only flagging my mistake, (but hoping there is an earlier 5 digit number series from pre-1953 that helps make sense of this kit in 1946.)

Rob

Re: GTW 583200 series autocar with 7' door - what era?

James Brewer
 

Rob,

From Ian Cranstone's web site:


Jim Brewer
Re: GTW 583200 series autocar with 7' door - what era?

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Rob,

This series of boxcars is discussed in the article "Modeling 40-Foot CN Steel-Frame Box Cars, Part III, Type E Cars In HO Scale From Steam Shack Kits" by Stafford Swain in the February 2001 RAILMODEL JOURNAL. If you don't have this issue, it can be found on the TRAINLIFE LIBRARY web site at https://www.trainlife.com/pages/the-magazine-library . If you are interested in the rebuilt all-steel single-door version of this car, there are two photos.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆


On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 1:11 AM Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:
Just realized my first e-mail, (repeating a typo on the F&C site), used a 5 digit number, not the 6 digits series on the decals or in the ORER.    So maybe I'm only flagging my mistake, (but hoping there is an earlier 5 digit number series from pre-1953 that helps make sense of this kit in 1946.)

Rob

Re: GTW 583200 series autocar with 7' door - what era?

Robert kirkham
 

Just realized my first e-mail, (repeating a typo on the F&C site), used a 5 digit number, not the 6 digits series on the decals or in the ORER.    So maybe I'm only flagging my mistake, (but hoping there is an earlier 5 digit number series from pre-1953 that helps make sense of this kit in 1946.)

Rob
Re: Slide and Negative Scanners

devansprr
 

Charlie,

This is an interesting alternative, although it only works for 35mm slides. It came up on the RR Historical Society SIG group. Credit to Jeff Eggert over at CNWHS:

http://www.yardoffice.com/archives/howto/slideshootingdslr.html

In addition to being pretty fast, if you already have a slide projector and DLSR, it is of nominal cost.

At some point I need to use this setup for my non-RR family slide collection. I used a Canon film scanner in the past, and liked it very much, but it has suffered a hardware failure after about 15 years and I have not yet attempted a repair (nor do I know if parts are available.)

But my Canon scanner could never scan close to the 300 slides per hour rate that Jeff claims.

Dave Evans
GTW 58300 series autocar with 7' door - what era?

Robert kirkham
 

Hi there -

Needing some help with ORERs around 1946 for this model.  Working on a kit and started to work with the decals.  I had three cars in various stages and had put the decals in a safe place - but mixed them together.   Now - looking at the sets, I'm looking for correct capacity, dimensional info, etc.  That got me looking at the 1953 ORER which doesn't reveal a car series with the same 7' door, so I'm starting to wonder: for me - are these foobies?  

Does anyone have more history on these cars c1946?

Rob
Re: Photos: "New Roof" Stencil (1945-1946)

np328
 

This struck an odd note and sure enough, my post 163462 has a partial image of a car with "New Plastic Roof" and some numbers in roughly the same position on the car here:
https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/pnp/fsa/8a04000/8a04700/8a04764v.jpg   
More than just a coincidence and another day, another modeling mystery.                                             Jim Dick - St. Paul, MN 
Re: Photos: "New Roof" Stencil (1945-1946)

Thomas Evans
 

I believe those are Murphy roofs.
The 3000-series Rio Grande boxcars were extensively rebuilt about this time in the 1920's.
This roughly coincided with the addition of the larger Mikados & other improvements.
Note the rebuild dates in the lower right hand corner of the car side usually matches the new roof date.
I believe that they received steel center sills & body bolsters, etc. at this time.
I've always felt that they look oddly too small when compared to other narrow gauge equipment (especially the later 2-8-2 locomotives)
& wondered why the Rio Grande didn't go for larger cars.
I suppose it was a matter of cost.

Tom
Re: Photos: "New Roof" Stencil (1945-1946)

Kenneth Montero
 

All three cars are stenciled as rebuilt in 1924 - same as the date on the "New Roof" stencil. It appears that the new roof was applied as part of a rebuilding of the boxcars.
 
The first and third car are marked for restricted loading - sugar, flour, clean cargo. I cannot tell what is the "public notice" posted on the door of the second car.

Ken Montero

On 11/20/2020 5:40 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:
 
 

Photos: "New Roof" Stencil (1945-1946)

Photos from the Denver Public Library:

https://digital.denverlibrary.org/digital/collection/p15330coll22/id/47332/rec/35

https://digital.denverlibrary.org/digital/collection/p15330coll22/id/47336/rec/38

https://digital.denverlibrary.org/digital/collection/p15330coll22/id/47339/rec/40

Click on the arrows in the upper right hand corner of the photos to enlarge them and scroll to enlarge them further.

The stencils are to the left of the door near the roofline. This stencil is new to me, maybe not to others.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA
Re: automobile boxcars

Tim O'Connor
 

Garth

16F-5 yes

I don't know what it means - but the car has a 16 foot wide door opening - could it handle 5 autos inside?


On 11/20/2020 12:08 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:
Tim and friends,

What I didn't see mentioned in this thread (or missed) is the coding on and below the strip. Did this indicate the make and model of vehicle for which these racks were configured, or was it a pool number which would pretty much amount to the same thing? As models changed, particularly as wheelbases changed, the Evans racks had to be adjusted or modified to fit. I can't read what's on the strip, but the text below it seems to read "16F5".

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

 
On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 11:13 AM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Here is a better view of the white stripe on an SP XMR car repainted in 1958. This car also has the 'combination' roof
for stowage of the interior automobile rack.

On 11/19/2020 11:04 PM, Guy Wilber via groups.io wrote:
Bill wrote:

“One of the comments says, The horizontal white stripe on the door indicates that the car has automobile-loading racks".  Was this "standard" across all railroads, or just for certain roads?  I ask, because not all of the cars shown have the stripe (for instance SP 64210).”

The 3” wide white stripe was the original standard marking for cars equipped with auto loading devices as adopted by the ARA in 1933.  The stripe was to be applied to the right door, though (early on) many roads decorated both doors.  

The right door on SP 64210 is obscured by the automobile, but the stripe is (more than likely) there.

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
Photo: Wabash Boxcar 7702 (1957)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Wabash Boxcar 7702 (1957)

A photo from the Denver Public Library:

https://digital.denverlibrary.org/digital/collection/p15330coll22/id/67226/rec/34

Click on the arrows in the upper right hand corner of the photo to enlarge it and scroll to enlarge it further.

Car built in 1957 by AC&F.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA
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