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Re: need help in regard of correct trucks

Benjamin Hom
 

Jim Betz wrote:
"I do not know why this is true ... but I've found that if you use a wire wheel in a dremel and clean the Kadee wheelsets by running them in an old plastic truck and getting them to be bright shiny - that they
do not pick up dirt as fast as they do with the blackening on them.  We can speculate on the reason - I prefer to just know that it works and use them with very few problems with dirt build up.  As in - I have used them for 2 or 3 years without any build up ... recleaning them, when necessary, is as easy as removing them and running them thru the make shift 'dirt lathe'."

I used to to do this, but I've found the opposite - the wheel treads oxidize again fairly quickly, and there's no getting around the porous sintered iron picking up more crap.  Plus I've had a few fly apart when sent through the "dirt lathe".  No, I just replace them when I see them, bag them up, and sell them off to less discerning modelers. 


Ben Hom


Re: need help in regard of correct trucks

Jim Betz
 

Ben/all,

  I do not know why this is true ... but I've found that if you use a wire
wheel in a dremel and clean the Kadee wheelsets by running them
in an old plastic truck and getting them to be bright shiny - that they
do not pick up dirt as fast as they do with the blackening on them.
  We can speculate on the reason - I prefer to just know that it works
and use them with very few problems with dirt build up.  As in - I
have used them for 2 or 3 years without any build up ... recleaning
them, when necessary, is as easy as removing them and running
them thru the make shift "dirt lathe".

  I agree with you/others that they are not the best - but if you already
have a Kadee car equipped with them - you do not need to replace
them ... just run them thru "the lathe of heaven" (apologies to Ursula).

                                                                   - Jim B.


Re: Poultry car photo

Douglas Harding
 

Interesting indeed, great find. Poultry was raised all over the country, and poultry cars were found everywhere. See attached UP ad promoting chicken raising in Washington and Oregon. Yes New York was the major market, but there many other markets, along the west coast and elsewhere. Remember each poultry car had an attendant who cared for the chickens while in transit, keep loses to a minimum.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Poultry car photo

 

I found the attached photo of a poultry car in a book that the Lynden Tribune published in 1976 for the bicentennial celebration in my hometown of Lynden WA.  I believe the original photo either belongs to the Tribune or is in the collection of the author, Dorothy Kort.

 

I find the presence of this traffic surprising.  Lynden is at the end of a branchline off a branchline, the Milwaukee's line between Bellingham WA (which the MILW reached by ferry until 1956) and Sumas, on the Canadian border and an interchange point with the CP.  Lynden is almost as far as you can get in the contiguous 48 from New York (Blaine WA--GN, Moclips WA--NP, Coos Bay OR--SP, and Eureka CA--NWP among others are slightly more distant), so I am not sure how many chickens would survive a 3000-mile trip, especially if it was winter in Montana and North Dakota.  And chickens transported 3,000 miles are more expensive than chickens traveling from Pennsylvania or Arkansas.  

 

More remarkable to me is poultry production in the Pacific Northwest.  Washington even after the damming of the Coiumbia does not have a grain crop.  Then as now corn is grown locally, to be sure, but mainly as silage for the dairy industry.  My father had a feed mill on the GN at Ferndale, a few miles from Lynden.  All grain--wheat, corn, barley, soybeans, milo, oats--came from the Plains or the Midwest, often in CB&Q 40-foot boxcars.  (Wheat grown in the Palouse of Eastern WA is durum for pasta, not animal feed.)  So poultry must have been a small industry fed with local corn or with grain railed in from several states east.  By slightly after Our Era all commercial production of poultry in the area had ceased.

 

Either these are chickens of unimpeachable reputation, or the Milwaukee and (probably) the NYC had a very favorable tariff.

 

Doug Polinder 

Poquoson VA


Re: Poultry car photo

Edward
 

Hauling live chickens 3,000 miles? Regardless of season or weather, I truly doubt that.
Live chickens, being easily stressed high-strung birds, do not travel well even with food and water available along the way.. 
Although from the end of a secondary branch line, those chickens surely would have met their destiny closer to home.
They may have been sent in car-load lots to Pacific northwest markets. I'm sure there was demand for them there.
At that time in the past, rail was likely faster and less stressful for live chickens than driving them in hard-riding trucks over two-lane roads of the pre-WW II highway system.

Ed Bommer
 


Poultry car photo

Doug Polinder
 

I found the attached photo of a poultry car in a book that the Lynden Tribune published in 1976 for the bicentennial celebration in my hometown of Lynden WA.  I believe the original photo either belongs to the Tribune or is in the collection of the author, Dorothy Kort.

I find the presence of this traffic surprising.  Lynden is at the end of a branchline off a branchline, the Milwaukee's line between Bellingham WA (which the MILW reached by ferry until 1956) and Sumas, on the Canadian border and an interchange point with the CP.  Lynden is almost as far as you can get in the contiguous 48 from New York (Blaine WA--GN, Moclips WA--NP, Coos Bay OR--SP, and Eureka CA--NWP among others are slightly more distant), so I am not sure how many chickens would survive a 3000-mile trip, especially if it was winter in Montana and North Dakota.  And chickens transported 3,000 miles are more expensive than chickens traveling from Pennsylvania or Arkansas.  

More remarkable to me is poultry production in the Pacific Northwest.  Washington even after the damming of the Coiumbia does not have a grain crop.  Then as now corn is grown locally, to be sure, but mainly as silage for the dairy industry.  My father had a feed mill on the GN at Ferndale, a few miles from Lynden.  All grain--wheat, corn, barley, soybeans, milo, oats--came from the Plains or the Midwest, often in CB&Q 40-foot boxcars.  (Wheat grown in the Palouse of Eastern WA is durum for pasta, not animal feed.)  So poultry must have been a small industry fed with local corn or with grain railed in from several states east.  By slightly after Our Era all commercial production of poultry in the area had ceased.

Either these are chickens of unimpeachable reputation, or the Milwaukee and (probably) the NYC had a very favorable tariff.

Doug Polinder 
Poquoson VA


Re: Throwback Tuesday: Varney Metal Freight Car Kits

Chet
 

It brought back memories looking at the1948 Varney catalog.  My very first kit was the Southern box car purchased at the local pet store which had
a small amount of HO scale items.  I was 8 or 9 years old when I bought the kit.  The finished car disappeared years ago.

Chet French
Dixon, IL


Re: Petaluma & Santa Rosa freight cars

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Friends,

Attached is a partial of P&SR 126 which was grounded near Clear Lake in the early 1960s. This was my father's shot, now in my collection.

The original question about interchange of P&SR cars probably depends on the era. The cars in the original photo ride on arch bars trucks, which means they were illegal for interchange by the early 1940s. When the SP took control of the P&SR they could have allowed P&SR cars with arch bar trucks on their lines (WP allowed arch bars in interchange from TS and SN subsidiaries, and they still had some arch bar cars of their own until the late 1940s).

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 4/22/19 4:53 PM, David Soderblom wrote:
Back in the 1960s I did a technical drawing of P&SR 48, a boxcar body my brother and I found on a side road in Sonoma County from our detailed measurements.  I’m happy to share, but first I find it as I unpack from moving things around.  Please send me a personal e-mail if you’re interested so I’ll have to.

David Soderblom
Baltimore MD



Re: need help in regard of correct trucks

Tony Thompson
 

One of them would be the KADEE HGC trucks which are nice, but some weeks ago I have read a note from another member of this group (I think) that by his experiences KADEE wheels are even worse dirt collectors than plastic ones - he does not recommend to use them. 

    Baloney, nothing equals plastic wheels for dirt collection. The old Kadee sintered wheels do collect some dirt, but nothing like plastic. The newer Kadee wheels seem fine.

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Re: need help in regard of correct trucks

Bruce Smith
 

Johannes,

The PRR 2D-F8 is a bit of a problem. The Red Caboose trucks are pretty close, but a number of folks have expressed issues with their “equalization” feature, which doesn’t behave well under layout conditions. I suggest getting them completely level and gluing them. In addition, some folks indicate that these are really an ARA Type Y truck, which is very similar to the 2D-F8.  I would love to see Kadee release their 2D-F8 in HGC, but so far, no joy. :(


Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Apr 22, 2019, at 4:49 PM, vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...> wrote:

Hello friends,

again I am in need of some help. Usually I use TAHOE trucks to replace the mostly bad running ones coming with the models, and in say 90-95% TAHOE has the truck type I need. But unfortunately there are still gaps, so I have to look for alternatives. One of them would be the KADEE HGC trucks which are nice, but some weeks ago I have read a note from another member of this group (I think) that by his experiences KADEE wheels are even worse dirt collectors than plastic ones - he does not recommend to use them. But which other wheel sets fit those trucks nicely? Code 88 of course. Or do you have good experiences using KADEE wheels?

I have three PRR cars in need of new trucks: -a X29 with plate ends and doors, a X29 with corrugated ends and doors, and a H25 quad hopper. I suspect for the X29s the 2DF8 would be correct. But what for the hopper? BOWSERs "Crown 70ton Andrews"? And is this a good representation? Or do you have another recommendation?
The best looking 2DF8 seems to be the RED CABOOSE truck as is the case with the Bettendorf T-section truck - but are these available somewhere seperately?

Another car which I would like to equip with fine plastic trucks is a N&W HC-3a covered hopper. The model currently has trucks showing three springs at the outside line - seemingly only KADEE is offering this type (566). Where all these cars equipped with this type of trucks?

I have used Richard Hendricksons freight truck presentation of April 2014 - maybe there came out some more considerable trucks since then?

Many thanks for any hints

Johannes
modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953


Re: need help in regard of correct trucks

Benjamin Hom
 

Johannes Markwart asked:
"I have three PRR cars in need of new trucks: a X29 with plate ends and doors, a X29 with corrugated ends and doors, and a H25 quad hopper. I suspect for the X29s the 2D-F8 would be correct."
and
"The best looking 2DF8 seems to be the RED CABOOSE truck as is the case with the Bettendorf T-section truck - but are these available somewhere separately?"

I like the Red Caboose 2D-F8 truck for an early version of that truck, but I'm not a fan of its construction and odd bolster height.  I prefer the Bowser 2D-F8 truck (Stock No. #74286 without wheelsets, #74277 with wheelsets) which represents later versions of the truck and is nicely detailed.  Install Code 88 wheelsets and you're good to go.


"But what for the hopper? BOWSERs "Crown 70 ton Andrews"? And is this a good representation?"

Yes. Stock No. #74090 without wheelsets, #74091 with wheelsets.  


"One of them would be the KADEE HGC trucks which are nice, but some weeks ago I have read a note from another member of this group (I think) that by his experiences KADEE wheels are even worse dirt collectors than plastic ones - he does not recommend to use them. But which other wheel sets fit those trucks nicely? Code 88 of course. Or do you have good experiences using KADEE wheels?"

I'm not a fan of the old Kadee sintered iron wheelsets as they are dirt magnets, though someone has reported that they no longer make them.  As for the HGC 2D-F8 trucks, I prefer using them on PRR hoppers, gons, and flat cars as they add extra weight, something I don't have trouble adding to a house car.


Ben Hom


Re: need help in regard of correct trucks

Brian Carlson
 

I’ve used reboxx wheels in Kadee and bowser trucks with no issues. But they are getting tough to find now. The different axle lengths are great.  

Brian J. Carlson 

On Apr 22, 2019, at 5:49 PM, vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...> wrote:

Hello friends,

again I am in need of some help. Usually I use TAHOE trucks to replace the mostly bad running ones coming with the models, and in say 90-95% TAHOE has the truck type I need. But unfortunately there are still gaps, so I have to look for alternatives. One of them would be the KADEE HGC trucks which are nice, but some weeks ago I have read a note from another member of this group (I think) that by his experiences KADEE wheels are even worse dirt collectors than plastic ones - he does not recommend to use them. But which other wheel sets fit those trucks nicely? Code 88 of course. Or do you have good experiences using KADEE wheels?

I have three PRR cars in need of new trucks: -a X29 with plate ends and doors, a X29 with corrugated ends and doors, and a H25 quad hopper. I suspect for the X29s the 2DF8 would be correct. But what for the hopper? BOWSERs "Crown 70ton Andrews"? And is this a good representation? Or do you have another recommendation?
The best looking 2DF8 seems to be the RED CABOOSE truck as is the case with the Bettendorf T-section truck - but are these available somewhere seperately?

Another car which I would like to equip with fine plastic trucks is a N&W HC-3a covered hopper. The model currently has trucks showing three springs at the outside line - seemingly only KADEE is offering this type (566). Where all these cars equipped with this type of trucks?

I have used Richard Hendricksons freight truck presentation of April 2014 - maybe there came out some more considerable trucks since then?

Many thanks for any hints

Johannes
modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953


need help in regard of correct trucks

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello friends,

again I am in need of some help. Usually I use TAHOE trucks to replace the mostly bad running ones coming with the models, and in say 90-95% TAHOE has the truck type I need. But unfortunately there are still gaps, so I have to look for alternatives. One of them would be the KADEE HGC trucks which are nice, but some weeks ago I have read a note from another member of this group (I think) that by his experiences KADEE wheels are even worse dirt collectors than plastic ones - he does not recommend to use them. But which other wheel sets fit those trucks nicely? Code 88 of course. Or do you have good experiences using KADEE wheels?

I have three PRR cars in need of new trucks: -a X29 with plate ends and doors, a X29 with corrugated ends and doors, and a H25 quad hopper. I suspect for the X29s the 2DF8 would be correct. But what for the hopper? BOWSERs "Crown 70ton Andrews"? And is this a good representation? Or do you have another recommendation?
The best looking 2DF8 seems to be the RED CABOOSE truck as is the case with the Bettendorf T-section truck - but are these available somewhere seperately?

Another car which I would like to equip with fine plastic trucks is a N&W HC-3a covered hopper. The model currently has trucks showing three springs at the outside line - seemingly only KADEE is offering this type (566). Where all these cars equipped with this type of trucks?

I have used Richard Hendricksons freight truck presentation of April 2014 - maybe there came out some more considerable trucks since then?

Many thanks for any hints

Johannes
modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953


Re: Tarbell Standard Oil Book

Jerry Michels
 

I missed the beginning of this thread, but if it is in regard to Standard Oil, a more modern, and more historically accurate book is Titan, a biography of J. D. Rockefeller. Quite a bit about Standard and the railroads. It also debunks a lot of Tarbell's writing.

Jerry Michels


Re: Petaluma & Santa Rosa freight cars

David Soderblom
 

Back in the 1960s I did a technical drawing of P&SR 48, a boxcar body my brother and I found on a side road in Sonoma County from our detailed measurements.  I’m happy to share, but first I find it as I unpack from moving things around.  Please send me a personal e-mail if you’re interested so I’ll have to.

David Soderblom
Baltimore MD


Re: SP stock cars being loaded with what appears to be crates of fruit

Bob Chaparro
 

This may explain the livestock cars:

" The Virden Packing Company was a meat and fruit canner and fruit packer with origins in Sacramento but eventually headquartered in San Francisco. The Virden Company was incorporated in 1919[1]. The company started out as a meat packer, but expanded in 1919-1922 into the canned fruit business, describing themselves as "A New California Packer"[2]. Supposedly, peaches was one of their specialties. Both meat and fruit were canned under the Campfire brand.

The company had major stockyards in South San Francisco (next to Swift)[4] and Sacramento. Starting around 1920, Virden bought several canneries in succession, first buying Emeryville's Western Canning in May 1921[5] from the Chinese-American Mee family. They then bought United Canneries of Oakland at the foot of 9th Street in 1922, according to February 1922 Canning Age The United Canneries plant had cost $500,000 to build, and had a capacity of 400,000 cases. "H.L. Lafler, industrial engineer, undertook the transfer." Virden also bought the then-idle Salsina Packing and Canning Company on Lincoln Ave. in San Jose for $115,000, hoping to use it for fruit and meat canning[6]. Wholesale Grocery Review  says that 8,000 tons of fruit will be canned there. There were also signs that Virden owned Pioneer Fruit Company in 1920's according to lawsuit from Zellerbach Paper going after Virden for unpaid bills. Virden also canned olives for the California Olive Growers Association according to Pacific Rural Press, Oct. 15, 1921. Western Canner and Packer  similarly mentioned that they'd be handling the entire pack for the association through the Emeryville and Tulare canneries."

From: http://vasonabranch.com/packing_houses/index.php?title=Virden_Packing

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Carbon Black

Bob Chaparro
 

Santa Fe Railway advertisement promoting carbon black. Only one partial photo of a carbon black hopper being loaded.

https://ia800702.us.archive.org/12/items/SantaFeRailroad1939A/Santa%20Fe%20Railroad%20-1939A.jpg

Click on image to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Petaluma & Santa Rosa freight cars

Tim O'Connor
 


A friend of mine (now deceased) had an entire album of P&SR photographs that he found
at a flea market. I sure wish I knew what became of his incredible collection of photos. I was
worried they'd disappear and knowing what was in the collection I haven't seen any of them
surface so far, even after a few years...

Tim O'


On 4/22/2019 11:07 AM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) wrote:
Hi List Members,
 
I don't know if Petaluma & Santa Rosa freight cars were interchanged or not, but they were rarely photographed.
 
Here are two box cars, at the link below.
 
 
Some general information on the railroad can be gotten at the link below...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


steel gon OSL 25703 in 1910 Sacramento CA

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
A great view of steel gon OSL 25703 in 1910 Sacramento CA...
 
 
More info at the link below.
 
 
Claus Schlund
 
 


SP stock cars being loaded with what appears to be crates of fruit

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
Linked below is a great image showing SP stock cars being loaded with what appears to be crates of fruit in 1924. The image is large and high resolution, it may take a while to download...
 
 
Additional info can be found at the link below.
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Petaluma & Santa Rosa freight cars

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
I don't know if Petaluma & Santa Rosa freight cars were interchanged or not, but they were rarely photographed.
 
Here are two box cars, at the link below.
 
 
Some general information on the railroad can be gotten at the link below...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

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