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Photo: Boxcar Door Stenciling (Circa 1943)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Boxcar Door Stenciling (Circa 1943)

A photo from the Detroit Public Library:

https://digitalcollections.detroitpubliclibrary.org/islandora/object/islandora%3A257918

Click and hold to enlarge photo.

The door is stenciled "9-5", "10-6" and "8-E".

Translation?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: ATSF (?) Boxcar 9260 With Pinto Bean Load (1914)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: ATSF (?) Boxcar 9260 With Pinto Bean Load (1914)

A photo from the University of New Mexico:

https://econtent.unm.edu/digital/collection/gkcpc/id/26/rec/146

The photo can be enlarged.

Description:

"Train car shipped in November of 1914 with goods donated by Gross, Kelly & Co. to the Belgium Relief Commission, run by Herbert Hoover. Gross, Kelly & Co. was one of the pioneer wholesale and retail mercantile companies in the Southwest."

Do pinto beans go well with Belgium waffles?

Note the placard on the car reads "Explosives". (Don't go there, readers.)

I could not find a listing for this car, built in 1897, among my Santa Fe records but the end reporting marks appear to include "&SF". Perhaps this car was from a subsidiary road.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard

John Barry
 

Doug,

What was the date of the Cudahy map?  They have a spot listed on the 1928 version of the SP San Francisco Industry Map on the State Belt, said industry not listed on the 1944 version.

John

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA


707-490-9696 






On Wednesday, September 30, 2020, 08:48:16 AM EDT, Douglas Harding <iowacentralrr@...> wrote:


Old Dutch Cleanser was a trademark of the Cudahy company (Cudahy Bros of Wisconsin was a different company). And their meat reefers carried the Old Dutch Cleanser logo. Attached is a photo of a Cudahy reefer taken in Salt Lake City, where they had a plant. Cudahy’s main plant was in south Omaha. They also had plants in Kansas City, Los Angeles, San Diego, Denver, Sioux City, South St Paul, East Chicago, Jersey City. Old Dutch Cleanser Plants were located in Los Angeles, Omaha, and Toronto.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of mel perry
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 2:02 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard

 

thats a rarity, to find three "old dutch"/

cudahy in the same yard, hooked

together, unless there was a plant

close by?, always wonder if the "old

dutch"/cudahy was a foobie?

;-)

mel perry

 

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 6:18 PM George Courtney via groups.io <gsc3=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

A much younger,  model railroad friend of mine sent me this photos.  They are on Southern Railway in Knoxville.  I didn't see a Monogram on the Southern Boxcar so I suspect before 1937.  He found them in a old grocery store near the area.  At age three I lived in the hill back of the viaduct.    George Courtney.


Re: Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard

Bob Chaparro
 

Old Dutch Cleanser & Cudahy Packing Company

Probably more than you want to know, but a few factoids I've found...

In 1905 the Cudahy Packing Company became the first company to manufacturer and market a cleansing powder, Old Dutch Cleanser.

Cudahy had a pumicite mine in Meade County, Kansas, and had a tie to a company that used pumicite to clean up the floors of the slaughterhouses of Chicago. Pumicite is a variety of pumice, a highly pressurized rock that is formed when lava and water are mixed. Seismotite is a trade name for pumice used by Cudahy and was seen in Old Dutch Cleanser advertising.

Later, Cudahy's pumicite was taken from a mine located underground in the Mojave Desert. Pumicite production began in 1923. The mined rock was trucked to a siding on the Southern Pacific Railroad at Saltdale, seven miles south of the mine. It was delivered to Los Angeles where it was processed and blended with other material to create the cleanser.

Twelve men were employed by Cudahy to oversee the mine and produce 100 tons of pumicite per week. Cudahy Camp was a small company operated camp created to house the miners. Numerous structures were built at the camp, however their uses have not clearly been established.

The mine produced 120,000 tons of pumicite for the company. The mine closed in 1947 because the mineral was discovered at ground level in other locations.

Old Dutch Cleanser was sold by Cudahy to Purex on April 24, 1955.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I too would like to know the answer to Bill S,’s question.  There is an excellent modeler in this area, Jim Dufour, who’s modeled the Cheshire branch, thee connecting the B&M main line at South Ashburnham to Keene NH.  Included in his railroad is a model accurately depicting a very modest Feldspar mine.  Jim has waybill records showing that the Feldspar was shipped to a Old Dutch Cleanser plant along the New Haven, IIRC, in the vicinity of Manchester CT.  (I could be entirely wrong on the destination, but I am sure it was in CT.).  Doug’s citing of plants in

 

Doug Harding’s citing of

Old Dutch Cleanser Plants were located in Los Angeles, Omaha, and Toronto

May well be accurate, but of a later time.  The Old Dutch Cleanser container cites that it was developed in 1886.

 

Incidentally, I won’t have any other cleanser in the house.  I find the competitors, Comet, Ajax, etc., tend to scratch, whereas the little just hatched chick on the ODC label, with the slogan “Hasn’t scratched yet,” is accurate.  It will clean some egregiously dirty dishes without scratching them (ask me how I know).  I have used it when stripping brass models with an old, soft toothbrush to remove stubborn paint in crevices.  Works well, without any visible damage to the model surface.

 

Incidentally, while googling (because I could not remember feldspar) I came across the following interesting webpage:

http://www.mine-engineer.com/mining/dutch.htm

 

Schuyler

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of erieblt2
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 10:34 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard

 

Mr. Harding, where did you get the information as to where the plants were located? Is there a book(now ‘site’) that lists company info? We have source/info books for railroads ie ‘The Official Guide’ . Is there an equivalent for industries? Thank you. Respectfully, Bill S.    PS I had to look up the earlier reference to ‘foobies’! 



On Sep 30, 2020, at 6:36 AM, Thomas Evans via groups.io <tomkevans@...> wrote:

So now I'm confused.
There was Cudahy Packing Company of Omaha which also made & sold Old Dutch Cleanser.
There was also Cudahy Brothers which was also a packing company in Cudahy Wis. south of Milwaukee.
Did Cudahy Brothers (Wisconsin) also have their own meat reefers?
Can anyone make all this clear?

Tom E.


Re: Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard

O Fenton Wells
 

I think she was posing for the Cudahy reefer paint jobs.
Just say'in
Fenton

On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 10:22 AM Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

In images 2 & 3, is that a woman out there in the yard?  What is she doing there?  This was not a time when women were common in the yards.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of mel perry
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 3:02 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard

 

thats a rarity, to find three "old dutch"/

cudahy in the same yard, hooked

together, unless there was a plant

close by?, always wonder if the "old

dutch"/cudahy was a foobie?

;-)

mel perry

 

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 6:18 PM George Courtney via groups.io <gsc3=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

A much younger,  model railroad friend of mine sent me this photos.  They are on Southern Railway in Knoxville.  I didn't see a Monogram on the Southern Boxcar so I suspect before 1937.  He found them in a old grocery store near the area.  At age three I lived in the hill back of the viaduct.    George Courtney.



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Re: Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard

erieblt2
 

Mr. Harding, where did you get the information as to where the plants were located? Is there a book(now ‘site’) that lists company info? We have source/info books for railroads ie ‘The Official Guide’ . Is there an equivalent for industries? Thank you. Respectfully, Bill S.    PS I had to look up the earlier reference to ‘foobies’! 


On Sep 30, 2020, at 6:36 AM, Thomas Evans via groups.io <tomkevans@...> wrote:

So now I'm confused.
There was Cudahy Packing Company of Omaha which also made & sold Old Dutch Cleanser.
There was also Cudahy Brothers which was also a packing company in Cudahy Wis. south of Milwaukee.
Did Cudahy Brothers (Wisconsin) also have their own meat reefers?
Can anyone make all this clear?

Tom E.


Re: Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard

earlyrail
 

Are we looking at the same photos?
The only tank car I see is by the oil facility under the viaduct.
And I am not able to see any identification.
Howard Garner


Re: Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard

Brent Greer
 

Especially one that appears to be dressed like a Nun !

Brent


Dr. J. Brent Greer


Re: Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard

Schuyler Larrabee
 

In images 2 & 3, is that a woman out there in the yard?  What is she doing there?  This was not a time when women were common in the yards.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of mel perry
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 3:02 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard

 

thats a rarity, to find three "old dutch"/

cudahy in the same yard, hooked

together, unless there was a plant

close by?, always wonder if the "old

dutch"/cudahy was a foobie?

;-)

mel perry

 

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 6:18 PM George Courtney via groups.io <gsc3=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

A much younger,  model railroad friend of mine sent me this photos.  They are on Southern Railway in Knoxville.  I didn't see a Monogram on the Southern Boxcar so I suspect before 1937.  He found them in a old grocery store near the area.  At age three I lived in the hill back of the viaduct.    George Courtney.


Re: Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Doug,
 
Any idea on a date for the Cudahy map you attached?
 
Thanks
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard

Old Dutch Cleanser was a trademark of the Cudahy company (Cudahy Bros of Wisconsin was a different company). And their meat reefers carried the Old Dutch Cleanser logo. Attached is a photo of a Cudahy reefer taken in Salt Lake City, where they had a plant. Cudahy’s main plant was in south Omaha. They also had plants in Kansas City, Los Angeles, San Diego, Denver, Sioux City, South St Paul, East Chicago, Jersey City. Old Dutch Cleanser Plants were located in Los Angeles, Omaha, and Toronto.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of mel perry
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 2:02 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard

 

thats a rarity, to find three "old dutch"/

cudahy in the same yard, hooked

together, unless there was a plant

close by?, always wonder if the "old

dutch"/cudahy was a foobie?

;-)

mel perry

 

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 6:18 PM George Courtney via groups.io <gsc3=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

A much younger,  model railroad friend of mine sent me this photos.  They are on Southern Railway in Knoxville.  I didn't see a Monogram on the Southern Boxcar so I suspect before 1937.  He found them in a old grocery store near the area.  At age three I lived in the hill back of the viaduct.    George Courtney.


Re: Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard

Thomas Evans
 

So now I'm confused.
There was Cudahy Packing Company of Omaha which also made & sold Old Dutch Cleanser.
There was also Cudahy Brothers which was also a packing company in Cudahy Wis. south of Milwaukee.
Did Cudahy Brothers (Wisconsin) also have their own meat reefers?
Can anyone make all this clear?

Tom E.


Re: Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard

mel perry
 

doug:
thanks for the background, since the
cars have a different scheme, my
question is, dud cudahy ever have a
scheme, that had "old dutch" on one
side of the car, and the."cudahy" on
the other side of the car  i.e. opposite
side, as presented by certain manufactures, or was this a foobie?
thanks
mel perry


On Wed, Sep 30, 2020, 5:48 AM Douglas Harding <iowacentralrr@...> wrote:

Old Dutch Cleanser was a trademark of the Cudahy company (Cudahy Bros of Wisconsin was a different company). And their meat reefers carried the Old Dutch Cleanser logo. Attached is a photo of a Cudahy reefer taken in Salt Lake City, where they had a plant. Cudahy’s main plant was in south Omaha. They also had plants in Kansas City, Los Angeles, San Diego, Denver, Sioux City, South St Paul, East Chicago, Jersey City. Old Dutch Cleanser Plants were located in Los Angeles, Omaha, and Toronto.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of mel perry
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 2:02 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard

 

thats a rarity, to find three "old dutch"/

cudahy in the same yard, hooked

together, unless there was a plant

close by?, always wonder if the "old

dutch"/cudahy was a foobie?

;-)

mel perry

 

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 6:18 PM George Courtney via groups.io <gsc3=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

A much younger,  model railroad friend of mine sent me this photos.  They are on Southern Railway in Knoxville.  I didn't see a Monogram on the Southern Boxcar so I suspect before 1937.  He found them in a old grocery store near the area.  At age three I lived in the hill back of the viaduct.    George Courtney.

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Re: Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard

Douglas Harding
 

Old Dutch Cleanser was a trademark of the Cudahy company (Cudahy Bros of Wisconsin was a different company). And their meat reefers carried the Old Dutch Cleanser logo. Attached is a photo of a Cudahy reefer taken in Salt Lake City, where they had a plant. Cudahy’s main plant was in south Omaha. They also had plants in Kansas City, Los Angeles, San Diego, Denver, Sioux City, South St Paul, East Chicago, Jersey City. Old Dutch Cleanser Plants were located in Los Angeles, Omaha, and Toronto.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of mel perry
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 2:02 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard

 

thats a rarity, to find three "old dutch"/

cudahy in the same yard, hooked

together, unless there was a plant

close by?, always wonder if the "old

dutch"/cudahy was a foobie?

;-)

mel perry

 

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 6:18 PM George Courtney via groups.io <gsc3=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

A much younger,  model railroad friend of mine sent me this photos.  They are on Southern Railway in Knoxville.  I didn't see a Monogram on the Southern Boxcar so I suspect before 1937.  He found them in a old grocery store near the area.  At age three I lived in the hill back of the viaduct.    George Courtney.


Re: Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard

mel perry
 

thats a rarity, to find three "old dutch"/
cudahy in the same yard, hooked
together, unless there was a plant
close by?, always wonder if the "old
dutch"/cudahy was a foobie?
;-)
mel perry

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 6:18 PM George Courtney via groups.io <gsc3=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
A much younger,  model railroad friend of mine sent me this photos.  They are on Southern Railway in Knoxville.  I didn't see a Monogram on the Southern Boxcar so I suspect before 1937.  He found them in a old grocery store near the area.  At age three I lived in the hill back of the viaduct.    George Courtney.


Re: Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard

Richard Townsend
 

I like the tank cars. One Texaco, two Sinclair, and a three-compartment car.


On Sep 29, 2020, at 6:57 PM, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:


George Courtney wrote:

A much younger,  model railroad friend of mine sent me this photos.  They are on Southern Railway in Knoxville.  I didn't see a Monogram on the Southern Boxcar so I suspect before 1937.  He found them in a old grocery store near the area.  

   Interesting photos! Nice to see clear images of freight cars like this. Has to be before 1937, given the billboard reefers.

Tony Thompson




Re: Photo: Gas Storage Tank On Boston & Maine Flat Car (1920)

Thomas Evans
 

It looks like these 60' B&M flatcars date back to at least 1901 (but probably not 1897) according to the on-line ORER/OREG's,
however they are mixed in with a number of shorter "special flat cars,' so we don't know how many there were nor their specific numbers at that time.

Tom E.


Re: Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard

Tony Thompson
 

George Courtney wrote:

A much younger,  model railroad friend of mine sent me this photos.  They are on Southern Railway in Knoxville.  I didn't see a Monogram on the Southern Boxcar so I suspect before 1937.  He found them in a old grocery store near the area.  

   Interesting photos! Nice to see clear images of freight cars like this. Has to be before 1937, given the billboard reefers.

Tony Thompson




Re: Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard

George Courtney
 

While we were very poor at the time, I actually lived in a house on the hill in the background, not inside the hill its self.  I recall a steam switcher working near here in 1946 or 1947 when Dad walked with me down to the viaduct at three or four.


George Courtney


Old Photos from Southern Railway in Knoxville yard

George Courtney
 

A much younger,  model railroad friend of mine sent me this photos.  They are on Southern Railway in Knoxville.  I didn't see a Monogram on the Southern Boxcar so I suspect before 1937.  He found them in a old grocery store near the area.  At age three I lived in the hill back of the viaduct.    George Courtney.