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Re: automobile boxcars

vapeurchapelon
 

When I see the bulbous end I think loading/ unloading must have been very rough... ;-)
 
Johannes
Modeling the early postwar years up to about 1953
 
Gesendet: Freitag, 20. November 2020 um 17:13 Uhr
Von: "Tim O'Connor" <timboconnor@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] automobile boxcars

Here is a better view of the white stripe on an SP XMR car repainted in 1958. This car also has the 'combination' roof
for stowage of the interior automobile rack.


On 11/19/2020 11:04 PM, Guy Wilber via groups.io wrote:
Bill wrote:
 
“One of the comments says, The horizontal white stripe on the door indicates that the car has automobile-loading racks".  Was this "standard" across all railroads, or just for certain roads?  I ask, because not all of the cars shown have the stripe (for instance SP 64210).”
 
The 3” wide white stripe was the original standard marking for cars equipped with auto loading devices as adopted by the ARA in 1933.  The stripe was to be applied to the right door, though (early on) many roads decorated both doors.  
 
The right door on SP 64210 is obscured by the automobile, but the stripe is (more than likely) there.
 
Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: automobile boxcars

Kenneth Montero
 

Notice the tubes sticking below the floor. Chains used with the loaders were stored there when not in used with the auto-loaders.
 
Ken Montero

On 11/20/2020 11:13 AM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
 
 

Here is a better view of the white stripe on an SP XMR car repainted in 1958. This car also has the 'combination' roof
for stowage of the interior automobile rack.


On 11/19/2020 11:04 PM, Guy Wilber via groups.io wrote:
Bill wrote:
 
“One of the comments says, The horizontal white stripe on the door indicates that the car has automobile-loading racks".  Was this "standard" across all railroads, or just for certain roads?  I ask, because not all of the cars shown have the stripe (for instance SP 64210).”
 
The 3” wide white stripe was the original standard marking for cars equipped with auto loading devices as adopted by the ARA in 1933.  The stripe was to be applied to the right door, though (early on) many roads decorated both doors.  
 
The right door on SP 64210 is obscured by the automobile, but the stripe is (more than likely) there.
 
Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: automobile boxcars

Bob Chaparro
 

Was the white stripe requirement ever dropped?
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: automobile boxcars

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Tim and friends,

What I didn't see mentioned in this thread (or missed) is the coding on and below the strip. Did this indicate the make and model of vehicle for which these racks were configured, or was it a pool number which would pretty much amount to the same thing? As models changed, particularly as wheelbases changed, the Evans racks had to be adjusted or modified to fit. I can't read what's on the strip, but the text below it seems to read "16F5".

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

 

On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 11:13 AM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Here is a better view of the white stripe on an SP XMR car repainted in 1958. This car also has the 'combination' roof
for stowage of the interior automobile rack.


On 11/19/2020 11:04 PM, Guy Wilber via groups.io wrote:
Bill wrote:

“One of the comments says, The horizontal white stripe on the door indicates that the car has automobile-loading racks".  Was this "standard" across all railroads, or just for certain roads?  I ask, because not all of the cars shown have the stripe (for instance SP 64210).”

The 3” wide white stripe was the original standard marking for cars equipped with auto loading devices as adopted by the ARA in 1933.  The stripe was to be applied to the right door, though (early on) many roads decorated both doors.  

The right door on SP 64210 is obscured by the automobile, but the stripe is (more than likely) there.

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Slide and Negative Scanners

radiodial868
 

I'll be the Epson contrarian and report I use an HP Scanjet G4050. It has the full set of apertures and you can make your own for odd sized negatives.  The more important part to me is the software. I use VueScan from Hamrick Software (https://www.hamrick.com/)
You can pick up a used G4050 very reasonably. If anyone ever needs a replacement set of apertures, let me know. I have an extra set.
-------------------
RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Re: Photo: WFEX Reefer 67899(1951)

mopacfirst
 

One more piece of information.  The ORERs that I checked were 1955, 59 and 65.

RG7


Re: LV 9951 series, was: Photo: Reading Well Hole Flat Car 99009 (Undated)

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

Mine, built from a quite old kit (ca. 1960), has wooden blocks for the end platforms, and soft metal overlays for the top decks, sides, and ends. NO trucks came with it. I used modified 3-axle passenger trucks. I’ll try to post a photo of the model soon.

Dan Mitchell
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On Nov 20, 2020, at 11:11 AM, Jon Miller <atsfus@...> wrote:

On 11/20/2020 6:57 AM, Daniel A. Mitchell wrote:
Redball used to offer a wood & metal kit of this car in HO scale. I have one. It’s a bit crude by modern standards, but with a little work makes an unusual and quite presentable model.

Dan Mitchell

    I have one of these.  I believe the sides are card-stock.  The wheels in the RB trucks are 28".

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Photo: WFEX Reefer 67899(1951)

mopacfirst
 

Interesting series of cars.  Has square-corner 4-4 ends, looks almost exactly like the PFE R-40-10.  (Or, the Intermountain model).  I'm sure there are people on this list who already know this, but it's good to see.

Car was shopped 7-51, but I have to assume it's of the same vintage as the PFE car, and the similar (except for sides) ART car, namely late thirties.

I see in the ORERs a series 67895-67999, with varying numbers of cars from 24 to 65 or so, (guessing) accounted for by some being under lease?

Ron Merrick


Re: automobile boxcars

Tim O'Connor
 


Here is a better view of the white stripe on an SP XMR car repainted in 1958. This car also has the 'combination' roof
for stowage of the interior automobile rack.


On 11/19/2020 11:04 PM, Guy Wilber via groups.io wrote:
Bill wrote:

“One of the comments says, The horizontal white stripe on the door indicates that the car has automobile-loading racks".  Was this "standard" across all railroads, or just for certain roads?  I ask, because not all of the cars shown have the stripe (for instance SP 64210).”

The 3” wide white stripe was the original standard marking for cars equipped with auto loading devices as adopted by the ARA in 1933.  The stripe was to be applied to the right door, though (early on) many roads decorated both doors.  

The right door on SP 64210 is obscured by the automobile, but the stripe is (more than likely) there.

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: LV 9951 series, was: Photo: Reading Well Hole Flat Car 99009 (Undated)

Jon Miller
 

On 11/20/2020 6:57 AM, Daniel A. Mitchell wrote:
Redball used to offer a wood & metal kit of this car in HO scale. I have one. It’s a bit crude by modern standards, but with a little work makes an unusual and quite presentable model.

Dan Mitchell

    I have one of these.  I believe the sides are card-stock.  The wheels in the RB trucks are 28".

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Slide and Negative Scanners

prr6380
 

I have had good experience with Pacific Imaging Powerslide 5000.  It scans up to 5000 dpi and 4800 bit conversion.  The best feature for scanning large numbers of slides using magazines like a slide projectors.  I load them up, start it up and leave it alone.  Scanning at high resolutions is time consuming.  I can't look forward using a scanner doing only 4 or so at a time when faced with hundred or thousands to be done.  I've done only 1500 or 2000 my self so far as I can't get excited doing more.  It is hooked up directly to a USB port on a computer.
Walt Stafa


Re: GN 1948 Box Cars

Tim O'Connor
 

On 11/20/2020 12:38 AM, WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:
Just what Accurail cars featured this end?



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: LV 9951 series, was: Photo: Reading Well Hole Flat Car 99009 (Undated)

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

Redball used to offer a wood & metal kit of this car in HO scale. I have one. It’s a bit crude by modern standards, but with a little work makes an unusual and quite presentable model.

Dan Mitchell
==========

On Nov 20, 2020, at 9:36 AM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:

Hi Ken and List Members,
 
Ken mentioned the LV 9951 series.
 
This is listed in my 12-1930 ORER as series 9951-9960, the number space allows for 10 cars, but the ORER states there is a total of only three cars in this series!
 
I have images of 9952 and 9953, so we know these two numbers are truly in use.
 
These were 1915-built cars with “no well floor”, 55ft 10in length, 220,000 lb capacity, height to "Eaves or To of Sides or Platform" was a mere 3ft 3in! I imagine the car used wheels that were smaller than 33" diameter to achieve this height for the loading platform
 
I'm attaching an image of LV 9952
 
There are two nice in-service images of LV 9952 in the book "Uintah Railway: The Gilsonite Route" delivering a narrow gauge articulated locomotive.
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
Re: F37B with “no well floor” (at least that’s what I’m interpreting Elden’s comment…)
 
Note other railroads also had well cars with “no floor”.  In the Jan 1953 ORER (table in back) I am interpreting the phrase (in “load carrying platform” – “height from top of rail” column) “open pit” to mean there is no floor:
 
D&H 16160 series
LV 9951 series
NYC 499xxx series (5 separate lines)
 
I don’t know enough about these cars to know if that is truly what the ORER means…
 
Ken
 
<LV_9952.jpg>


LV 9951 series, was: Photo: Reading Well Hole Flat Car 99009 (Undated)

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi Ken and List Members,
 
Ken mentioned the LV 9951 series.
 
This is listed in my 12-1930 ORER as series 9951-9960, the number space allows for 10 cars, but the ORER states there is a total of only three cars in this series!
 
I have images of 9952 and 9953, so we know these two numbers are truly in use.
 
These were 1915-built cars with “no well floor”, 55ft 10in length, 220,000 lb capacity, height to "Eaves or To of Sides or Platform" was a mere 3ft 3in! I imagine the car used wheels that were smaller than 33" diameter to achieve this height for the loading platform
 
I'm attaching an image of LV 9952
 
There are two nice in-service images of LV 9952 in the book "Uintah Railway: The Gilsonite Route" delivering a narrow gauge articulated locomotive.
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

Re: F37B with “no well floor” (at least that’s what I’m interpreting Elden’s comment…)

 

Note other railroads also had well cars with “no floor”.  In the Jan 1953 ORER (table in back) I am interpreting the phrase (in “load carrying platform” – “height from top of rail” column) “open pit” to mean there is no floor:

 

D&H 16160 series

LV 9951 series

NYC 499xxx series (5 separate lines)

 

I don’t know enough about these cars to know if that is truly what the ORER means…

 

Ken

 


Re: GN 1948 Box Cars

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Just what Accurail cars featured this end?



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


Re: automobile boxcars

Guy Wilber
 

Bill,

You are most welcome, but I jumped the gun...follows is the correct date and information from an earlier post.

The ARA adopted the white stripe as an indicator for cars equipped with permanent auto racks on May 3, 1934. As originally adopted Note 13 to Figure 1 of the Manual read: Note 13-- For automobile boxcars, equipped with automobile loading racks, a 3-inch white stripe is to be painted on the right hand door, facing side of cars, extending full width of door, approximately 3 feet above the floor line and, immediately above this stripe the words, "Auto Rack" are to be stenciled in white letters 2 inches high; this marking to be applied to both sides of car. 

Regards,

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada
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Re: automobile boxcars

Bill Parks
 

Guy - 

Thanks for the info

--
Bill Parks
Cumming, GA
Modelling the Seaboard Airline in Central Florida


Re: Photo: WFEX Reefer 67899(1951)

BRIAN PAUL EHNI
 

Link to download the full resolution scan.

http://digital.denverlibrary.org/utils/ajaxhelper/?CISOROOT=p15330coll22&CISOPTR=55050&action=2&DMSCALE=100&DMWIDTH=7000&DMHEIGHT=600081

 

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "Bob Chaparro via groups.io" <chiefbobbb@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 12:28 PM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: WFEX Reefer 67899(1951)

 

Photo: WFEX Reefer 67899(1951)

A photo from the Denver Public Library:

https://digital.denverlibrary.org/digital/collection/p15330coll22/id/55050/rec/124

Click on the arrows in the upper right hand corner of the photo to enlarge it and scroll to enlarge it further.

Interestingly, this car does not have placard boards on the end or car side.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet


Re: Slide and Negative Scanners

Douglas Harding
 

I have an Epson Perfection 3170 Photo flatbed scanner with USB cable. I've had it for years. Windows 10 does not recognize it on plug and play, but I downloaded the drivers from Epson's website, installed them, and it works fine. It does a great job. I can scan four slides at once. Up to 12000dpi. This model was discontinued years and years ago. But they still show up on ebay. One caution, I did have to make one repair. The plastic support holding the pulley for the cable broke. But a hole and 2-56 took care of that pretty quick after I found a how too on YouTube. Any modeler should be able to do that in 5 minutes.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Barry
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 9:17 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Slide and Negative Scanners

 

Charlie,

 

I have the Epson V800 and have had good success with prints, negatives, slides, documents and maps.  With the slide frame I was able to quickly scan a loaned collection of about 50 slides in a couple evenings.  The 1944 Santa Fe map of the United States is a combination of five scans stitched together.  I wrote a post about it back in July.  The Fe-U and the 1944 Railroad Map.  I also scanned the Fe-U print in that post on my V800 and straightened it with Photoshop Elements.  You can download a jpg of the map through a link in that blog post.  It also works well scanning documents for later conversion to PDF.  I usually scan to TIFF, then convert as that gives me greater flexibility for character recognition of multiple column pages.  I'm very happy with the V800 as an all around photo scanner.

 

John

 

John Barry

 

ATSF North Bay Lines 

Golden Gates & Fast Freights 

Lovettsville, VA

 

 

707-490-9696 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Thursday, November 19, 2020, 03:20:29 PM EST, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:

 

 

Charlie,

 

I use an "Epson Perfection V8000 Photo" scanner, a semi-pro machine that does a pretty good job scanning slides and negatives, as well as general copying. The software is a bit clunky, but I'm used to it now. Everything gets washed through Photoshop anyway. I paid somewhere between $400-500 for the Epson. If you've looked at photos I've shared here, you are seeing stuff done on that machine. This model has probably been succeeded by a newer version with a higher number, but the Epson machines in this range are pretty good, and good values too.

 

My scanner came with several frames, one for 35 mm negatives, one for 35 mm slides, and some others for which I have yet to find a use. When I have an odd-sized negative, I put it right on the glass. A 6" plastic ruler along the bottom edge keeps the negative square and moves it away from a void space along the edge of the glass. After I have a preview shot on my screen, I select the area of the negative I actually want, eliminating the ruler.

 

One more thing to consider. Besides Photoshop I use the powerful but inexpensive Graphic Convertor program from Lemke Software. It does some stuff that is really hard to do with Photoshop, like adding text to an image. As its name implies, it can also convert from or to a number of formats, many more than Photoshop can handle. I save everything in TIFF (which unlike JPEG is stable), except for what I convert back to JPEG for attaching to emails.

 

Yours Aye,

 

 

Garth Groff  🦆

 

On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 1:53 PM Charlie Vlk <cvlk@...> wrote:

All-

 

Does anyone have any experience with slide and negative scanners?   My all-in-one copiers can do a decent job of digitizing photo prints but, even though a couple of them have slide processing capability they are somewhat clunky to use and I have many hundreds of slides and negatives to scan.

 

An additional wrinkle is that I have about 1000 microfilm aperture cards with CB&Q locomotive, freight and passenger car drawings on them which I would also like to scan.  They are on computer keypunch-size cards 3 ¼ wide x 7 ¾ so I am hoping on getting something that can accommodate that width card or be modified to do so.  Some of the scanners look like they have carriers that be duplicated in sheet plastic to make a custom holder…if the slot is 3 ¼ wide or more.  As a last resort I could trim the width of the cards down to fit but I’d rather not.

 

I don’t want to go crazy with speed or quality and get a $5000 professional unit but I don’t want to go cheap and get the Kodak folding box gizmo or the low-end stuff that has no resolution.   I’d rather get one that can connect to my computer for post processing rather than loading to a memory card.   I already have VuScanX64 software which I have used to scan using my all-in-one.

 

If any of you have experience with scanners and can share thoughts or recommendations on brands or models to consider it would be much appreciated.

 

While the subject is technically off-topic it may be of interest to many in each group, please respond off-list unless moderators allow it to run as supporting the interests of the group.

 

Charlie Vlk

Mt. Juliet, TN


Re: automobile boxcars

Guy Wilber
 

Bill wrote:

“One of the comments says, The horizontal white stripe on the door indicates that the car has automobile-loading racks".  Was this "standard" across all railroads, or just for certain roads?  I ask, because not all of the cars shown have the stripe (for instance SP 64210).”

The 3” wide white stripe was the original standard marking for cars equipped with auto loading devices as adopted by the ARA in 1933.  The stripe was to be applied to the right door, though (early on) many roads decorated both doors.  

The right door on SP 64210 is obscured by the automobile, but the stripe is (more than likely) there.

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada


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