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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

Tony Thompson
 

Elden Gatwood  wrote:

Can’t fault that reasoning!  Pittsburghers have always loved their Hershey bars!
Too bad we don’t have earlier and later photos of them unloading the car into a dray……
 

    Maybe delivering bulk chocolate for the Clark Bar factory (yum!) -- speaking of favorites in the 'Burgh.

Tony Thompson




Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Eric;

 

What on Gd’s green earth was Hunt’s and catsup?  I don’t recognize either of those things.  There was never anything but Heinz in our households.

 

Yes, we also loved Clark Bars (I was actually baby-sat by Candy Barr), but a Clark Bar was nothing like a Hersheys Bar, esp if you liked them with almonds!  Or, Reeses’ Cups!

 

I agree with you on all of that.  The variety of loads could be endless!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 4:28 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

 

Ee-gads, Man! That’s nearly as bad as saying Pittsburghers love Hunt’s catsup! A true Pittsburgher loves Clark bars! Made on the Nort Side and served by the Pennsy Fort Wayne line with a siding for freight cars.

 

As far as a load for that Hershey reefer, the company made other items beyond candy bars. Possibly there’s baker’s chocolate, chocolate powder, or other items being delivered. Since the photo shows the Try Street team yard, the items might be headed to local hotels, Duquesne University’s dining halls, a restaurant supplier in the Hill District, or even the kitchen in Allegheny County Jail. The car is here because the consignee is closer to this terminal than the Point, Strip District, North Side, or South Side team tracks.

 

Don’t forget, this might not be a whole car delivery, either.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

Where you can’t find Clark bars….

 

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 12:20 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

 

Schuyler;

 

Can’t fault that reasoning!  Pittsburghers have always loved their Hershey bars!

 

Too bad we don’t have earlier and later photos of them unloading the car into a dray……

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 12:03 PM
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Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

 

Elden wrote:

 

Claus;

 

The obvious answer would be in iced reefers, but the presence of that Hersheys car in Pittsburgh begs the question, what was it doing THERE?

 

Well with the doors open on a team track, I’d say a load of something Hershey made was delivered.

 

I am always looking for more info on loads….

 

Aren’t we all . . .??

 

Schuyler (BTW, thanks for the responses on my question about this car)

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 10:13 AM

Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

 

By the way, my information indicates that these cars were not used to transport chocolate bars, but were used to transport milk in 10 gal cans to the Hershey plant from outlying farms.  Hershey was (and may still be) the largest consumer of fresh milk in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.  Hershey owned the farms and leased them to farmers who, in turn, sold all their milk to Hershey.  Hershey would inspect the farms regularly for sanitation.


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

Eric Hansmann
 

Ee-gads, Man! That’s nearly as bad as saying Pittsburghers love Hunt’s catsup! A true Pittsburgher loves Clark bars! Made on the Nort Side and served by the Pennsy Fort Wayne line with a siding for freight cars.

 

As far as a load for that Hershey reefer, the company made other items beyond candy bars. Possibly there’s baker’s chocolate, chocolate powder, or other items being delivered. Since the photo shows the Try Street team yard, the items might be headed to local hotels, Duquesne University’s dining halls, a restaurant supplier in the Hill District, or even the kitchen in Allegheny County Jail. The car is here because the consignee is closer to this terminal than the Point, Strip District, North Side, or South Side team tracks.

 

Don’t forget, this might not be a whole car delivery, either.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

Where you can’t find Clark bars….

 

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 12:20 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

 

Schuyler;

 

Can’t fault that reasoning!  Pittsburghers have always loved their Hershey bars!

 

Too bad we don’t have earlier and later photos of them unloading the car into a dray……

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 12:03 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

 

Elden wrote:

 

Claus;

 

The obvious answer would be in iced reefers, but the presence of that Hersheys car in Pittsburgh begs the question, what was it doing THERE?

 

Well with the doors open on a team track, I’d say a load of something Hershey made was delivered.

 

I am always looking for more info on loads….

 

Aren’t we all . . .??

 

Schuyler (BTW, thanks for the responses on my question about this car)

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 10:13 AM

Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

 

By the way, my information indicates that these cars were not used to transport chocolate bars, but were used to transport milk in 10 gal cans to the Hershey plant from outlying farms.  Hershey was (and may still be) the largest consumer of fresh milk in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.  Hershey owned the farms and leased them to farmers who, in turn, sold all their milk to Hershey.  Hershey would inspect the farms regularly for sanitation.


Re: Accurail 4300: CB&Q 15000-15499 or C&S 13500 series

O Fenton Wells
 

Nice looking Rob, a very interesting and very ambitious project
Fenton

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 1:27 PM Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:
Nearing the end of the rough work on this kitbash.  

So far, the work has included:
- removing the side and parts of the end ladders, as well as the cast on grab irons.  - shaving off the bulge plates and (marginally) relocating the diagonal straps at the corner side panels.  
- bits of .005 styrene and CA as filler were used to model the various castings and sheet metal plates at the top and bottom of the corner posts.  
- Yarmouth etched ladder rungs - the ones with the long attachment arms - were inserted to form the grab iron ladders.  I bent .008” wire for the remaining straight grabs and used pre-formed Tichy drop grabs on the end sills.  I think they are made of thicker material, but decided not to bend my own.  

I noticed some alignment differences between ladder rung spacing and the lap seam that joins the top and bottom of the 7/8 end panels.   So close inspection with photos won’t be very flattering to this model.  Also, had challenges drilling through the cast on end ladder stiles.   This is one of those places where an etch overlay with etched holes would help guide and hold the drill bit in alignment.  Hint, hint.  Once I have the model primed I’ll figure out what filling and filing is needed to hide blemishes.

I’m waiting for the roof castings to arrive from Yarmouth.  When they are on, the model will be primed and archer rivets add to complete the metal plates etc.  They are also needed on the side sills where cross ties connect.  

So far, I’ve enjoyed this project and am looking forward to completing it.

Rob



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: F&C B&M XM1

Donald B. Valentine
 

Great info Ken. Thanks for posting it. I find it interesting that more cars were wrecked on what I have long called the Standard Scrapyard of the World than on the next two railroads on which a large number of cars were wrecked combined. No, I do not think it is because a larger amount of B&M traffic went via the Pennsy.

 

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: F&C B&M XM1

Donald B. Valentine
 

With bulging sheathing boards that will drive Ted Cullota nuts after his virtual clinic last Saturday. LOL

 

Cordially, Don Valentine

 

 

 

 


Re: Accurail 4300: CB&Q 15000-15499 or C&S 13500 series

Robert kirkham
 

Nearing the end of the rough work on this kitbash.  

So far, the work has included:
- removing the side and parts of the end ladders, as well as the cast on grab irons.  - shaving off the bulge plates and (marginally) relocating the diagonal straps at the corner side panels.  
- bits of .005 styrene and CA as filler were used to model the various castings and sheet metal plates at the top and bottom of the corner posts.  
- Yarmouth etched ladder rungs - the ones with the long attachment arms - were inserted to form the grab iron ladders.  I bent .008” wire for the remaining straight grabs and used pre-formed Tichy drop grabs on the end sills.  I think they are made of thicker material, but decided not to bend my own.  

I noticed some alignment differences between ladder rung spacing and the lap seam that joins the top and bottom of the 7/8 end panels.   So close inspection with photos won’t be very flattering to this model.  Also, had challenges drilling through the cast on end ladder stiles.   This is one of those places where an etch overlay with etched holes would help guide and hold the drill bit in alignment.  Hint, hint.  Once I have the model primed I’ll figure out what filling and filing is needed to hide blemishes.

I’m waiting for the roof castings to arrive from Yarmouth.  When they are on, the model will be primed and archer rivets add to complete the metal plates etc.  They are also needed on the side sills where cross ties connect.  

So far, I’ve enjoyed this project and am looking forward to completing it.

Rob


Re: Photo: Gas Storage Tank On Boston & Maine Flat Car (1920)

akerboomk
 

I would suggest that is a Boston & Albany RR flat

(Framingham is on the B&A)


--
Ken Akerboom


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Schuyler;

 

Can’t fault that reasoning!  Pittsburghers have always loved their Hershey bars!

 

Too bad we don’t have earlier and later photos of them unloading the car into a dray……

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 12:03 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

 

Elden wrote:

 

Claus;

 

The obvious answer would be in iced reefers, but the presence of that Hersheys car in Pittsburgh begs the question, what was it doing THERE?

 

Well with the doors open on a team track, I’d say a load of something Hershey made was delivered.

 

I am always looking for more info on loads….

 

Aren’t we all . . .??

 

Schuyler (BTW, thanks for the responses on my question about this car)

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 10:13 AM

Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

 

By the way, my information indicates that these cars were not used to transport chocolate bars, but were used to transport milk in 10 gal cans to the Hershey plant from outlying farms.  Hershey was (and may still be) the largest consumer of fresh milk in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.  Hershey owned the farms and leased them to farmers who, in turn, sold all their milk to Hershey.  Hershey would inspect the farms regularly for sanitation.


Re: Photo: Gas Storage Tank On Boston & Maine Flat Car (1920)

Dave Parker
 

We discussed this photo at some length four years ago -- see message 144771.

The B&M had 6 of these 60-ft, 30-ton flat cars in 1919.  Down to one by 6/27, gone by 7/28.

--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Atlas USRA rebuilt boxcars(6400 series)

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks Ben, I was afraid of that.


On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 11:06 AM Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:
Fenton Wells asked:
"Does anyone know what IH (Internal height) these cars are supposed to represent?"

9 ft IH.  Model has 5/5/5 or 7/8 Murphy ends, indicating a rebuilt car that retained its original height; unfortunately, the details of these cars don't match any specific prototype.  It's a much more expensive analogue of the Athearn 50 ft plug door RBL.


Ben Hom



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: Photo: GATX 31197 & 54877 At DuPont Plant (1940)

Steve Summers
 

No, that was Methyl Isocyanate in Bophal.  Nevertheless Hydrogen Cyanide is nasty.


On Sep 29, 2020, at 12:11 PM, David Wiggs <bigwiggs@...> wrote:

Notice the picture caption says Hydrogen Cyanide.  Seriously doubt that since the guy on the tanker has no respiratory protection.  It was a hydrogen cyanide disaster at a Union Carbide plant that killed a bunch of people in Boupol, India in the 80s (?).


Photo: PRR Rail Test Car 2349 (1917)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: PRR Rail Test Car 2349 (1917)

A photo from the Hagley Digital Archives:

https://digital.hagley.org/PRR_ME04213?solr_nav%5Bid%5D=09ee8df9adabeb9b8110&solr_nav%5Bpage%5D=4&solr_nav%5Boffset%5D=13

Click on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi List Members,
 
There is also this model from Con-Cor...
 
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

I have an HO Branchline Hershey reefer kit in the “chocolate” scheme, like this one:

 

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/branchline-trains-ho-40-acf-urtx-428889793

 

Attached is a photo of a modern Hershey RBL (copied from feeBay), outside the scope of this group, but may be of interest to some.

 

Steve Johnson

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Sykes III via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 8:58 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

 

Years ago, Tyco or AHM or the likes had a Hershey wood reefer.  I saw one at a show several years ago and grabbed it for $2.00 for the novelty.  Turns out that the road number was accurate, HERX 1038.  Built by ACF for Hersheys.  The car has a 7/18 build date and 6/38 reweigh date on it.  I have no idea if they are accurate.  I added some weight and put Kadee trucks and couplers on it and put it into service on my layout.  Note that this car would have been seen more often on the Reading than on my Mid-state PRR layout since Hershey, PA was serviced by Reading (there was a passenger station on or immediately adjacent to the Hershey property).


Photo: Gas Storage Tank On Boston & Maine Flat Car (1920)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Gas Storage Tank On Boston & Maine Flat Car (1920)

A photo from the Hagley Digital Archives:

https://digital.hagley.org/72360_0654?solr_nav%5Bid%5D=d166fd3d618911c491a7&solr_nav%5Bpage%5D=1&solr_nav%5Boffset%5D=8

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Notice the blocking.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

Steven D Johnson
 

I have an HO Branchline Hershey reefer kit in the “chocolate” scheme, like this one:

 

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/branchline-trains-ho-40-acf-urtx-428889793

 

Attached is a photo of a modern Hershey RBL (copied from feeBay), outside the scope of this group, but may be of interest to some.

 

Steve Johnson

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Sykes III via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 8:58 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

 

Years ago, Tyco or AHM or the likes had a Hershey wood reefer.  I saw one at a show several years ago and grabbed it for $2.00 for the novelty.  Turns out that the road number was accurate, HERX 1038.  Built by ACF for Hersheys.  The car has a 7/18 build date and 6/38 reweigh date on it.  I have no idea if they are accurate.  I added some weight and put Kadee trucks and couplers on it and put it into service on my layout.  Note that this car would have been seen more often on the Reading than on my Mid-state PRR layout since Hershey, PA was serviced by Reading (there was a passenger station on or immediately adjacent to the Hershey property).


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Elden wrote:

 

Claus;

 

The obvious answer would be in iced reefers, but the presence of that Hersheys car in Pittsburgh begs the question, what was it doing THERE?

 

Well with the doors open on a team track, I’d say a load of something Hershey made was delivered.

 

I am always looking for more info on loads….

 

Aren’t we all . . .??

 

Schuyler (BTW, thanks for the responses on my question about this car)

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 10:13 AM

Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: HERX (Hershey) Insulated Boxcar Or Reefer (1960)

 

By the way, my information indicates that these cars were not used to transport chocolate bars, but were used to transport milk in 10 gal cans to the Hershey plant from outlying farms.  Hershey was (and may still be) the largest consumer of fresh milk in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.  Hershey owned the farms and leased them to farmers who, in turn, sold all their milk to Hershey.  Hershey would inspect the farms regularly for sanitation.

_._,_._,_



Re: Photo: GATX 31197 & 54877 At DuPont Plant (1940)

David Wiggs
 

Notice the picture caption says Hydrogen Cyanide.  Seriously doubt that since the guy on the tanker has no respiratory protection.  It was a hydrogen cyanide disaster at a Union Carbide plant that killed a bunch of people in Boupol, India in the 80s (?).


Re: Atlas USRA rebuilt boxcars(6400 series)

Benjamin Hom
 

Fenton Wells asked:
"Does anyone know what IH (Internal height) these cars are supposed to represent?"

9 ft IH.  Model has 5/5/5 or 7/8 Murphy ends, indicating a rebuilt car that retained its original height; unfortunately, the details of these cars don't match any specific prototype.  It's a much more expensive analogue of the Athearn 50 ft plug door RBL.


Ben Hom


Atlas USRA rebuilt boxcars(6400 series)

O Fenton Wells
 

Does anyone know what IH(Internal height) these cars are supposed to represent?
Thanks
Fenton