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Re: G&F JPEGs

Richard Hendrickson
 

Mr.Hendrickson:
I would be appreciate any photos/JPEGs of G&F equipment. I'm
amazed that SUNSHINE makes models of G&F prototypes. The G&F wasn't
exactly a major railroad in the SE. It was more like an oversized
shortline. My email address is ThisIsR@aol.com. Thanks!
I'll send you the JPEGs as soon as I have time to scan them.

The Sunshine models are a result of the fact that the G&F cars were built
to a standard AC&F design of the 1920s which was also built in large
numbers for the MoPac and its subsidiaries and in smaller numbers for
several southern and Gulf states short lines such as the Columbus &
Greenville, Wichita Falls & Southern and Clinton, Oklahoma & Western (later
Santa Fe). Martin Lofton's main objective was to model the Missouri
Pacific versions, but he made optional parts and decals to model the other
prototypes as well.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: More G&F boxcars

Richard Hendrickson
 

I was looking through my copy of the ICC Valuation for the Georgia &
Florida and it mentions two groups of boxcars built in 1909 that have
"wood bod(ies) and underframe(s)." When would this type of car been
banned from interchange service? Are these "trussrod" boxcars?
Yes, wood underframe cars almost always were equipped with truss rods to
support the center of the body. And wood underframe cars were banned in
interchange after 1928, though they often lasted longer than that in
company or MW service. It was also common practice to rebuild wood
underframe cars with channel steel draft sills (but still with truss rods),
after which they were again legal in interchange until the mid-1950s.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


More G&F boxcars

ThisIsR@...
 

I was looking through my copy of the ICC Valuation for the Georgia &
Florida and it mentions two groups of boxcars built in 1909 that have
"wood bod(ies) and underframe(s)." When would this type of car been
banned from interchange service? Are these "trussrod" boxcars?
Thanks!

Richard Stallworth


Re: Ertl gons

John Nehrich <nehrij@...>
 

While Ertl may have had our cast resin MEC gon in their hands when actually
producing their gon, I think they must have gone back to the Chuck Yungkurth
article in RMC, as it seems he listed a number of roads that had low side
gons, all different numbers of ribs. Ertl's choice of roadnames seems to
have been taken directly from the list Chuck provided, no more, no less. -
John

PS - I am having problems with the internet connection at the club, so I'm
reading my e-mails down at the student union. But I can't incorporate
pictures, etc. of any information anyone has been kind enough to send until
we get our connection back. - JN


G&F JPEGs

ThisIsR@...
 

Mr.Hendrickson:
I would be appreciate any photos/JPEGs of G&F equipment. I'm
amazed that SUNSHINE makes models of G&F prototypes. The G&F wasn't
exactly a major railroad in the SE. It was more like an oversized
shortline. My email address is ThisIsR@aol.com. Thanks!


Re: [PROLG] mini-meet

Jared V Harper <harper-brown@...>
 

I'm hosting a Santa Fe modelers mini-meet in Athens, GA on July 28. The
details aren't set yet. If you're interested in attending you can e-mail
me. I'll be sending out details in early July.

Jared Harper
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Re: G&F and GF&A freightcars

Richard Hendrickson
 

Does anyone out there in Steam Era land have any photos of Georgia &
Florida or Georgia,Florida & Alabama freightcars? The G&F was bought
and merged into SRR in 1963. The GF&A was bought and merged into SAL
in 1928. Any other info would be appreciated. Thank you!
I have several photos of G&F single sheathed box cars and can supply JPEGs.
There were two batches of these cars, both built by AC&F in the 1920s, an
early (1926) group with 7-8 inverse corrugated Murphy ends and a later
(1927) group with inverse Dreadnaught ends. Sunshine makes very nice resin
kits for these cars.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


G&F and GF&A freightcars

ThisIsR@...
 

Does anyone out there in Steam Era land have any photos of Georgia &
Florida or Georgia,Florida & Alabama freightcars? The G&F was bought
and merged into SRR in 1963. The GF&A was bought and merged into SAL
in 1928. Any other info would be appreciated. Thank you!


Re: Wood End Ban Date

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
 

And is it safe to assume that MA. residents such as yourself were glued to
the set last night to see Ray B., after 1826 professional games, raise the
Stanley Cup for the first time?
Ummmm.... No.

The first I knew was seeing the riots in Denver being quelled by 700 police.
I'll bet fans were better behaved during the heydey of postwar railroading!
(Just to get back on topic.)

Timothy O'Connor <timoconnor@mediaone.net>
Marlborough, Massachusetts


Re: Wood End Ban Date

byronrose@...
 

On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 08:14:49 -0600 "tgmadden" <tgmadden@worldnet.att.net>
writes:
Tim wrote:
Tom Madden, stepping out of character....

Not really. I was just observing that Byron's response to Tony
struck me as
the 'net equivalent of the single-finger salute.

Tom
Tom,

You should know I'm too f-----g refined to do something like that.

BS
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Re: RR X-23 Resin

Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. <smithbf@...>
 

Byron said:
You are aware that Classic Somethings is producing a whole series of
X-23s and its derivatives in brass, aren't you? If you start investing
now, by the time they come out you might be able to afford one. Think
"Highliner," "glacier," and all those other really slooow adjectives
mentioned earlier.
Rail Classics (http://www.railclassics.com/)

Oh yeah...I know 'bout them <G>...have an E6 and a couple P-5a modifieds on
reserve already, speaking of breaking the bank...We'll have to see if they
manage to produce any of them in this decade. They certainly seem to have
an ambitious set of offerings planned!

Of course, Railworks recently put my reserved cars on "indefinite hold".
Those were the FM flat car based tower (catenary) cars...guess I'm back to
scratchbuilding the superstructure on top of a Sunshine FM... (being
similarly PRR afflicted as I, Byron, you wouldn't have any information on
the mechanism used to raise the towers on these would you?)

Happy Rails
Bruce

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Re: Wood End Ban Date

tgmadden <tgmadden@...>
 

Tim:
And Tom, just keeping repeating "Hockey. It's only a game. It's
only a game".

Dave:
...is it safe to assume that MA. residents such as yourself were glued to
the set last night to see Ray B., after 1826 professional games, raise the
Stanley Cup for the first time?

A very emotional moment in CO for sure, and if it doesn't make the cover of
SI it'll be a crime. (I saw my first hockey games at the old "Gahden"
upstairs in North Station back in 1954.)

Getting back to those wood ends: I assumed the original question referred to
the banning of structural wood ends, and was surprised that Byron assumed
otherwise. I'm also disappointed, nay, appalled, at Byron's subsequent
dismissal of modeling hidden structural elements. With his well-earned
reputation for stickleriness, I assumed his double-sheathed cars not only
had internal and external sheathing, but trusswork as well. And that his
motto was "To a model railroader, a concealed truss is more than a garment".

Illusions die hard.

Tom M.


Re: AC Gilbert HO cast metal depressed center flat car

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Jared,

I dunno. Seems to me this car had no rivet detail, and weren't there
were some funky holes in the deck to hold a plastic load. But that car
had the weight to stay on the rails. Gilbert also made a 50' flat car in
cast metal. I haven't seen either of these for years, but I wonder if
they were close enough to a real prototype to be worth upgrading.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

harper-brown@juno.com wrote:


Do any of you gurus know if the old AC Gilbert cast metal depressed
center flat car had a prototype? If it represents a prototype what
is it?


Re: Wood End Ban Date

Dave & Libby Nelson <muskoka@...>
 

-----Original Message-----
And Tom, just keeping repeating "Hockey. It's only a game. It's
only a game".
Oh contraire Tim; Ice hockey is the sport of gods to which we mere mortals
are allowed to witness.

And is it safe to assume that MA. residents such as yourself were glued to
the set last night to see Ray B., after 1826 professional games, raise the
Stanley Cup for the first time?

-----------------------------------
Dave Nelson
tank address: 127/11/5,6


Re: Wood End Ban Date

tgmadden <tgmadden@...>
 

Tim wrote:
Tom Madden, stepping out of character....

Not really. I was just observing that Byron's response to Tony struck me as
the 'net equivalent of the single-finger salute.

Tom


Re: Accurail stock car

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
 

At 06:46 AM 6/11/01 -0400, you wrote:
Sorry for this, that was meant to go to John, not the list. I apologize.
That's ok Denis, it didn't work anyway. No gondolas to be seen there.


Timothy O'Connor <timoconnor@mediaone.net>
Marlborough, Massachusetts


Re: Wood End Ban Date

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
 

Tom Madden, stepping out of character, wrote

Two knuckles, one extended finger, one knuckle. Thumb is folded under. Front
view. Byron, if you're using a typewriter to access the 'net, you're
cleverer than I thought!
At work we used to call that "Figure 1". As in, "If you have any questions,
see Figure 1".

And Tom, just keeping repeating "Hockey. It's only a game. It's only a game".


Timothy O'Connor <timoconnor@mediaone.net>
Marlborough, Massachusetts


Re: Accurail stock car

Denis Blake <dblake3@...>
 

Sorry for this, that was meant to go to John, not the list. I apologize.

Denis F. Blake
Columbus, OH
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To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 6:41 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Accurail stock car


John

Here are a couple of shots of those gons. One is an ACL gon the other is
a
Georgia Road gon. Both are Courtesy of Line South and the acl & SAL. H.S.
Inc.

Denis F. Blake
Columbus, OH
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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Nehrich" <nehrij@rpi.edu>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Accurail stock car


Denis - Do you have more particulars on the ACL gon? - John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Denis Blake" <dblake3@columbus.rr.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Accurail stock car


John

It is my understanding that the Mantua gon is also a dead ringer for
an
ACL
gon as well.

About the ConCor watermelon car. Several years ago when I was the
manufacturers liaison guy for the acl & SAL group I contact them and
asked
if they would consider doing the car in the "ONLY" correct scheme for
that
car. No market for that was the comment I got from them.

Similar comments have also come from Mantua with regard to the acl gon
as
well.

Denis F. Blake
Columbus, OH
TTHOTS

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Nehrich" <nehrij@rpi.edu>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Accurail stock car


My frustration was with such cars as the Mantua gon. Here is a unique
car,
not just another 40 foot steel gon in an ocean of 40 foot steel gons.
Based on an Erie car of the 1920's, it is almost as high as an H21.
Mantua
could do at least three schemes - original Erie, Erie with small
diamond
and
Erie with diamond with the "Erie" in bigger lettering. I have to
check,
but
they might also be able to do Erie-Lackawanna.

The AHM/Con-Cor watermelon car is available from Con-Cor, but it seems
the
ACL version is always unavailable. This is the only scheme it is
really
correct for. Again, there are several different ACL schemes for this
car
over the years that could be done, before expanding into the realm of
ridiculous.



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Re: Accurail stock car

Denis Blake <dblake3@...>
 

John

Here are a couple of shots of those gons. One is an ACL gon the other is a
Georgia Road gon. Both are Courtesy of Line South and the acl & SAL. H.S.
Inc.

Denis F. Blake
Columbus, OH
TTHOTS

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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Nehrich" <nehrij@rpi.edu>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Accurail stock car


Denis - Do you have more particulars on the ACL gon? - John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Denis Blake" <dblake3@columbus.rr.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Accurail stock car


John

It is my understanding that the Mantua gon is also a dead ringer for an
ACL
gon as well.

About the ConCor watermelon car. Several years ago when I was the
manufacturers liaison guy for the acl & SAL group I contact them and
asked
if they would consider doing the car in the "ONLY" correct scheme for
that
car. No market for that was the comment I got from them.

Similar comments have also come from Mantua with regard to the acl gon
as
well.

Denis F. Blake
Columbus, OH
TTHOTS

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Nehrich" <nehrij@rpi.edu>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Accurail stock car


My frustration was with such cars as the Mantua gon. Here is a unique
car,
not just another 40 foot steel gon in an ocean of 40 foot steel gons.
Based on an Erie car of the 1920's, it is almost as high as an H21.
Mantua
could do at least three schemes - original Erie, Erie with small diamond
and
Erie with diamond with the "Erie" in bigger lettering. I have to check,
but
they might also be able to do Erie-Lackawanna.

The AHM/Con-Cor watermelon car is available from Con-Cor, but it seems
the
ACL version is always unavailable. This is the only scheme it is really
correct for. Again, there are several different ACL schemes for this
car
over the years that could be done, before expanding into the realm of
ridiculous.



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Re: Wood End Ban Date

tgmadden <tgmadden@...>
 

You response sounds suspiciously like ^^!^

Tom "We're number one!" M.

Okay Tom, I give up!! Not only can't I figure out what you meant, but I
don't think I even have the keys on my typewriter to duplicate that
remark. Even though I may resemble it!!

Is it a plan view of 1 1/2 well endowed females? Don't you think it's a
little out of place here?

Two knuckles, one extended finger, one knuckle. Thumb is folded under. Front
view. Byron, if you're using a typewriter to access the 'net, you're
cleverer than I thought!

Tom "Go Avs! Number 1!!" M.

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