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AC Gilbert HO cast metal depressed center flat car

harper-brown@...
 

Do any of you gurus know if the old AC Gilbert cast metal depressed
center flat car had a prototype? If it represents a prototype what
is it?

Jared Harper


Re: Digest Number 179

golden1014
 

Hi Larry,
How're you doing? Thanks for the help on the GA cars. So, without giving away too much information in your article, can you help me get the right information on the cars, ca. 1950? My assumptions: GA RR USRA SS cars, as originally built, wore the silver/black scheme in 1950. Rebuilt cars (with the steel sides, retaining their exterior posts) were also painted silver/black for a time. Eventually all the cars were re-painted in BC red with white lettering.
My only remaining questions are 1) When were the cars rebuilt, and 2) Wnen were the cars (original configuration or rebuilt) painted BC red/white?
Thanks for the help! I'll be sure to put you on my "all-time list of good guys".

JG

Message: 18
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 00:02:01 -0400
From: "dixierails" <dixierails@artddc.net>
Subject: Re: More on GA RR USRA SS Cars

John,
I talked to two carbuilders while researching an article on the
Georgia
Road boxcars. Both men had worked on the rebuild program. All the
rebuilt
cars up until about 1952 were painted silver, with black ends and
underframes. Some were painted boxcar red after that, although many
were
painted solid silver/aluminum til scrapped.
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Re: RR X-23 Resin

Bruce F Smith <smithbf@...>
 

On Sat, 9 Jun 2001 byronrose@juno.com wrote:
Bruce,

Too bad you won't have any depressed center flat cars on your layout,
they look really neat and Railworks did a good job of them.

BS

As I figure it...I should have about 50% PRR cars on the layout. Given an
average train length on my layout of 25 cars, then 20 trains worth is 500
cars (or 250 PRR) If I simply round the number of cars in each of the top
30 classes to the nearest 1,000 and divide by 1000, out of a total of
approximately 221 PRR cars<snip>
Byron,

As I always say to my classes...read the question, then read it again,
answer it then read it again!<G> See, the top 30 classes account for 221
cars...but I need 250 PRR cars...so I have 29 cars of wiggle room! These
will account for minor classes such as the flat you mention, and with TWO
power stations on the layout, these are a must have item! BTW, refresh my
memory on what class(es) RW produced in a depressed center flat? I did
not manage to pick one up when released, but it could deifinitely go on
the "wish list". I hope it is pre 1944 <G>.

Happy Rails
Bruce


Re: Resin

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On Fri, 8 Jun 2001 15:32:52 -0500 Peter Reinhold
<paintplustrains@chorus.net> writes:
Thanks Victor. We ARE normal and no one should try to change us.
Peter,

Please speak for yoursealf . . yerselve . . . yorese . . . noone but you,
please.

Did I say please, I keep forgetting to do that.

BS
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Re: RR X-23 Resin

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On Fri, 8 Jun 2001 11:23:06 -0500 "Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D."
<smithbf@mail.auburn.edu> writes:
Or are you implying that I might be better off scratchbuilding my
own? If
I did that, then a Tichy, Red Caboose or IM X-23 would be released
somewhere halfway through my project!!!

Bruce,

S'funny you should mention this, because Bowser has recently said that
they will be doing a Pennsy X-23. I for one will enjoy seeing how they
develop the outside bracing with their apparent limit against any detail
projecting more than .010" away from the car side. Or better yet, their
deeply unembossed ladders.

Those three companies you mentioned are the last ones I'd expect to see
an X-23 from. RC and IM (plus LifeLike) won't do anything they can't
bring out in multiple road names, and Tichy has about 10 years worth of
work ahead of him with his next kit, whatever it is!

And Steve Funero was supposed to have his X-23 kit ready two months ago
for the Pennsy meet. ???????

If you're so anxious for a cheap X-23, get yerself one of the old Red
Ball kits; just make sure it's an old kit with the lead base castings.
The plastic ones never cast well enough to justify building the kit.
BTW, yes, I did build one, about 35 years ago. You can see it in most of
the catalogs that Howell Day produced in his last 10 years of running Red
Ball.

You are aware that Classic Somethings is producing a whole series of
X-23s and its derivatives in brass, aren't you? If you start investing
now, by the time they come out you might be able to afford one. Think
"Highliner," "glacier," and all those other really slooow adjectives
mentioned earlier.

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Re: RR X-23 Resin

byronrose@...
 

Bruce,

Too bad you won't have any depressed center flat cars on your layout,
they look really neat and Railworks did a good job of them.

BS

On Fri, 8 Jun 2001 08:45:49 -0500 "Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D."
<smithbf@mail.auburn.edu> writes:
Morning,

Byron said:
I've got a set of X-23 patterns crying out to me to finish them.
AWWWWRIGHT! I was just purusing my lists of the top 30 classes of
PRR cars
in 1943 and 1945
(http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/BFSpages/PRR/carclasses.html)
and
realizing that the X-23 was one of the few classes not available,
for which
I will need a number of cars! let me encourage you to finish those
masters
<G>. Of the top 15 classes (below), the only ones not covered in
some form
(excluding brass) are the GR, X-23 and H-25. I reserved 24 of the
Bowser
GLa yesterday (being offerred as discounted 12 packs pre-release) so
that
part of the fleet is covered (just hope they do a good version <G>)
and I
can always slowly replace them with Westerfield...

As I figure it...I should have about 50% PRR cars on the layout.
Given an
average train length on my layout of 25 cars, then 20 trains worth
is 500
cars (or 250 PRR) If I simply round the number of cars in each of
the top
30 classes to the nearest 1,000 and divide by 1000, out of a total
of
approximately 221 PRR cars, I should have:
39 H-21a
28 X-29
26 GLa
25 GS
13 GRa
10 X-26
9 X-25
8 GLc
8 GR
7 X-31a
6 X-23
5 H-25
5 G-22
5 X-28a
4 G-27
etc...

Happy Rails
Bruce

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Re: Wood End Ban Date

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On Sat, 9 Jun 2001 11:02:17 -0700 thompson@signaturepress.com writes:
Dick Harley wrote:
FWIW, PFE had the following quantities of wooden end
cars listed in the ORER:
July, 1960 3,224 cars...
July, 1963 628 cars...
FWIW, these were wood-sheathed, steel framed ends, not structural
wood ends.

So what does that have to do with anything, Tony? Even I don't model the
inside of the reefers I build. Do you?

Love and XXXXs,

BS

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Re: Wood End Ban Date

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Dick Harley wrote:
FWIW, PFE had the following quantities of wooden end
cars listed in the ORER:
July, 1960 3,224 cars...
July, 1963 628 cars...
FWIW, these were wood-sheathed, steel framed ends, not structural wood ends.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 http://www.signaturepress.com
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Re: RR X-23 Resin

John Nehrich <nehrij@...>
 

That's all! We used to pay for a line of kits produced by him. Several
years was more likely. - John

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F&C can be reached at RD#3, Box 2800, Honesdale, PA 18431 or via
email at fandc@ezaccess.net or by phone 570-224-4989. Also, he now
takes all 4 major credit cards.
The LAST time I ordered from F&C it took exactly 6 months from order to
delivery. I decided then that nothing F&C would produce would be worth
the wait.

Jared Harper
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Re: More on GA RR USRA SS Cars

dixierails <dixierails@...>
 

John,
I talked to two carbuilders while researching an article on the Georgia
Road boxcars. Both men had worked on the rebuild program. All the rebuilt
cars up until about 1952 were painted silver, with black ends and
underframes. Some were painted boxcar red after that, although many were
painted solid silver/aluminum til scrapped.
Larry Sexton

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To: <rhendrickson@opendoor.com>; <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 5:12 PM
Subject: [STMFC] More on GA RR USRA SS Cars



Hey Richard,
all the cars were painted silver with black ends and black lettering. Were
the cars ever painted in a box car red scheme following the rebuilding, or
did they come out of the shop with the silver/black paint? Thanks
John Golden


Re: Wood End Ban Date

Dick Harley <Dick.Harley@...>
 

On Thu, 7 Jun 2001 Byron Rose wrote:

In fact, they were never banned. Weren't wooden
end reefers used right up until the end of our
interest.
And even beyond I bet, but I'm not interested in
looking it up.
FWIW, PFE had the following quantities of wooden end
cars listed in the ORER:

July, 1960 3,224 cars (out of a fleet of 28,818
cars)
including 1,316 of the R-30/40-16 class

July, 1963 628 cars (out of a fleet of 22,592 cars)
including 439 of the R-30/40-16 class

April, 1965 70 cars

January, 1967 11 cars

Regards,
Dick Harley


Re: More on GA RR USRA SS Cars

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
 

While we're on the subject of Georgia's USRA SS cars... Were the cars
ever painted in a box car red scheme following the rebuilding
John, yes, some cars evidently got boxcar red paint. Classic Freight Cars
Volume 1 has a 1956 shot of GA #19682, and Model Railroading January 1987
has a 1954 photo of GA #19712.

Did we already cover this? What were GA #29300-29449? These were rebuilt
with steel side sheets too, but were definitely not a USRA design. There's
a shot of GA #29399 in Classic Freight Cars Volume 1.

Timothy O'Connor <timoconnor@mediaone.net>
Marlborough, Massachusetts


Re: More on GA RR USRA SS Cars

Curt Fortenberry <arrphoto@...>
 

Were the cars ever painted in a box car red scheme following the
rebuilding, or did they come out of the shop with the silver/black
paint? Thanks for the help!

Yours,

John Golden
John,

I've got a photo of the car in boxcar red, but it's a 50's vintage
photo. So I dunno if it was painted that way or simply just a
repaint.

Curt Fortenberry


Re: RR X-23 Resin

Jared V Harper <harper-brown@...>
 


F&C can be reached at RD#3, Box 2800, Honesdale, PA 18431 or via
email at fandc@ezaccess.net or by phone 570-224-4989. Also, he now
takes all 4 major credit cards.
The LAST time I ordered from F&C it took exactly 6 months from order to
delivery. I decided then that nothing F&C would produce would be worth
the wait.

Jared Harper
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Re: More on GA RR USRA SS Cars

John Nehrich <nehrij@...>
 

John - I've posted a c. '31 photo on the Tichy section of our web site
http://www.union.rpi.edu/railroad/images/rolling-stock/Kits/Tichy-kits.html
showing a car in what appears to be silver and black (judging from a b&w
photo, assuming the only other choice is box car red with white).
Apparently some cars got painted bcr and white at some time, but I don't
under what conditions, as this same silver and black scheme is seen in
post-steam days. - John

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Subject: [STMFC] More on GA RR USRA SS Cars



Hey Richard,

While we're on the subject of Georgia's USRA SS cars, I need a helping
hand with specific car information following their rebuilding. After the
cars were rebuilt with steel sides (but retaining their exterior SS braces),
some/most/all the cars were painted silver with black ends and black
lettering. Were the cars ever painted in a box car red scheme following the
rebuilding, or did they come out of the shop with the silver/black paint?
Thanks for the help!

Yours,

John Golden

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More on GA RR USRA SS Cars

golden1014
 

Hey Richard,

While we're on the subject of Georgia's USRA SS cars, I need a helping hand with specific car information following their rebuilding. After the cars were rebuilt with steel sides (but retaining their exterior SS braces), some/most/all the cars were painted silver with black ends and black lettering. Were the cars ever painted in a box car red scheme following the rebuilding, or did they come out of the shop with the silver/black paint? Thanks for the help!

Yours,

John Golden

Vacaville, CA



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Re: Resin

Peter Reinhold <paintplustrains@...>
 

Thanks Victor. We ARE normal and no one should try to change us.

Peter Reinhold
Paint Plus Trains
375 Fourth Street
Prairie Du Sac, Wi. 53578
NMRA L4415
PRRT&HS #5518

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I would be hard pressed to run out of unbuilt kits in the
three months Martin, at times, take to deliver the goods.
Thanks for making me feel normal!
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Re: RR X-23 Resin

Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. <smithbf@...>
 

Larry, et. al.,

Bruce, Would you be willing to provide me with your list of 1943 PRR cars.
The list is on the web at:
http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/BFSpages/PRR/carclasses.html

I obtained the data from the Keystone Volume 7, Number 3, September 1974,
which has far more years than 1943 and '45 listed.

Happy Rails
Bruce

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Re: RR X-23 Resin

dixierails <dixierails@...>
 

Bruce,
Thanks to you and Ted for the discussion on the F&C cars, and for providing
their mailing address and phone #. Now I know where to order from F&C, or
better yet, can do it over the phone.

Bruce, Would you be willing to provide me with your list of 1943 PRR cars.
I'm acquiring freightcars now for the PRR, which I never expected to model.
Over the last two weeks I've bought an F-28, an F37b, two F22s and two
versions of the F-29s. These are just to move heavy loads, like turbines,
gear drives, propellers, etc. When I come up your way, I'll try to remember
to bring a couple of them. They will need some work to track well and the
paint will destroy their value to the "in-the-box-virgin-models" collectors.
But I'm not worried about the resale value when I'm gone.

Ted is right about how nice certain types of loads look with the Sunshine
gon. I brought two at Naperville and would have bought more via mail, except
my last two orders have taken 12 weeks or more to arrive. I'm calling around
to see if I can find anyone stocking them.
Larry Sexton

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Subject: Re: RR X-23 [STMFC] Resin


Or are you implying that I might be better off scratchbuilding my own? If
I did that, then a Tichy, Red Caboose or IM X-23 would be released
somewhere halfway through my project!!!

Happy Rails
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D.


Re: Resin

fwj@...
 

--- In STMFC@y..., Peter Reinhold <paintplustrains@c...> wrote:
I would be hard pressed to run out of unbuilt kits in the
three months Martin, at times, take to deliver the goods.
Thanks for making me feel normal!
Victor Baird

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