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Re: RR X-23 Resin

Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. <smithbf@...>
 

Tim sez:
Bruce, don't get too excited. Does the word "glacier" mean anything to
you? How about "like cycle of the bristlecone pine" ... or "Highliner" ?
^^^^^^^^^^
So, it will be "worth the wait"? <G> Well considering that the layout is
only a plan...I'd say that the race was on...can I build a layout before
the X-23 is ready!

Or are you implying that I might be better off scratchbuilding my own? If
I did that, then a Tichy, Red Caboose or IM X-23 would be released
somewhere halfway through my project!!!

Happy Rails
Bruce

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Re: RR X-23 Resin

ted_culotta@...
 

I was aware of F&C's GS, but not a GR. The F&C GS is a real nice
alternative to Bowser as they come 2 per pack and are about the
same cost
as Bowser for a much nicer model. Of course, I'll need to build 25
of them!

You should forget about both Bowser and F&C's GS models. Sunshine
has released a magnificent GS model that is essentially one-piece
with a drop-in floor-- detail on both sides that is really
extraordinary. The kits can also be ordered with a choice of loads
for $10 extra. One is of the big knobby Caterpillar style tires and
the others is for an x-frame load (the structural support underneath
the rails on a girder bridge). The x-frame load in a GS along with
two of the Sunshine bridge girders on flats with idlers would make a
phenomenal part of a consist. These loads are advertised as
available only with one of these kits, not separately.


A couple of you have mentioned F&C's flyers...how do I get a
catalog and
get on the mailing list? (I'm assuming I need to write - anyone
have an
address handy?)
F&C can be reached at RD#3, Box 2800, Honesdale, PA 18431 or via
email at fandc@ezaccess.net or by phone 570-224-4989. Also, he now
takes all 4 major credit cards.

Ted Culotta


Re: RR X-23 Resin

Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. <smithbf@...>
 

--- In STMFC@y..., "Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D." <smithbf@m...>
wrote:
AWWWWRIGHT! I was just purusing my lists of the top 30 classes of
PRR cars
in 1943 and 1945
the only ones not covered in some form
(excluding brass) are the GR, X-23 and H-25.
Ted replied:

I believe that F&C has done the GR. It can also be roughly kitbashed
from Al's GRa kits.
I was aware of F&C's GS, but not a GR. The F&C GS is a real nice
alternative to Bowser as they come 2 per pack and are about the same cost
as Bowser for a much nicer model. Of course, I'll need to build 25 of them!

A couple of you have mentioned F&C's flyers...how do I get a catalog and
get on the mailing list? (I'm assuming I need to write - anyone have an
address handy?)

Happy Rails
Bruce

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Re: RR X-23 Resin

ted_culotta@...
 

--- In STMFC@y..., "Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D." <smithbf@m...>
wrote:
AWWWWRIGHT! I was just purusing my lists of the top 30 classes of
PRR cars
in 1943 and 1945
the only ones not covered in some form
(excluding brass) are the GR, X-23 and H-25.
I believe that F&C has done the GR. It can also be roughly kitbashed
from Al's GRa kits.

Ted


Re: RR X-23 Resin

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
 

Bruce, don't get too excited. Does the word "glacier" mean anything to
you? How about "like cycle of the bristlecone pine" ... or "Highliner" ?


I've got a set of X-23 patterns crying out to me to finish them.
AWWWWRIGHT! I was just purusing my lists of the top 30 classes of PRR cars
in 1943 and 1945
(http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/BFSpages/PRR/carclasses.html) and
realizing that the X-23 was one of the few classes not available, for which
I will need a number of cars!
Timothy O'Connor <timoconnor@mediaone.net>
Marlborough, Massachusetts


RR X-23 Resin

Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. <smithbf@...>
 

Morning,

Byron said:
I've got a set of X-23 patterns crying out to me to finish them.
AWWWWRIGHT! I was just purusing my lists of the top 30 classes of PRR cars
in 1943 and 1945
(http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/BFSpages/PRR/carclasses.html) and
realizing that the X-23 was one of the few classes not available, for which
I will need a number of cars! let me encourage you to finish those masters
<G>. Of the top 15 classes (below), the only ones not covered in some form
(excluding brass) are the GR, X-23 and H-25. I reserved 24 of the Bowser
GLa yesterday (being offerred as discounted 12 packs pre-release) so that
part of the fleet is covered (just hope they do a good version <G>) and I
can always slowly replace them with Westerfield...

As I figure it...I should have about 50% PRR cars on the layout. Given an
average train length on my layout of 25 cars, then 20 trains worth is 500
cars (or 250 PRR) If I simply round the number of cars in each of the top
30 classes to the nearest 1,000 and divide by 1000, out of a total of
approximately 221 PRR cars, I should have:
39 H-21a
28 X-29
26 GLa
25 GS
13 GRa
10 X-26
9 X-25
8 GLc
8 GR
7 X-31a
6 X-23
5 H-25
5 G-22
5 X-28a
4 G-27
etc...

Happy Rails
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D.
Scott-Ritchey Research Center
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Re: Resinous thoughts

byronrose@...
 

On Thu, 07 Jun 2001 21:19:39 -0400 "Tim O'Connor"
<timoconnor@mediaone.net> writes:

Although Al Westerfield may not directly benefit from the value of
his passenger cars on Ebay, he may benefit in the long run if people
begin to think of Westerfield kits as "collector items".

In fact, if Al were a true mercenary (which he isn't) he would make
all of his kits Limited Editions*.
Tim,

The irony of your ststement is that Als passenger car sets ARE limited
editions. He only planned to produce a finite number of each set which
he easily sold with his first edition, the Columbian Exposition. Perhaps
he was greedy by doing a second set which happened to be the Yellow Kid.
Which completely disproves your next statement.


This guarantees that old kits are
more valuable than new ones! And it also makes new kits much more
attractive to buy. Look at the success of Fine Scale Miniatures --
and the number of copycat structures vendors!

* And to make them truly priceless, Al could make kits so incredibly
complicated and difficult to build that to actually put one
together
would eradicate its value to collectors -- just like FSM kits!
I guess you never tried to build one of Als passenger cars, did you?

BSR
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Re: Resin

Dave & Libby Nelson <muskoka@...>
 

Hobby shops routinely order by email because they have accounts with us.
We'd be willing to do so for modelers as long as we know you.
Alternatively, some folks have ordered by sending their credit card info
broken up in several emails. - Al
Al, you ought to take a look at Paypal.com It's used a lot by folks on
ebay. I've used it a number of times to pay for items on ebay -- I go to
their web page and enter my account, specify the recipients e-mail address,
item description & amount and it's charged against my credit card right
then. Within a few minutes I get a receipt by e-mail and the seller has the
money in their account. Sometimes the seller has the link right there in
their auction page. Couldn't be easier.

Dave Nelson


Re: Resin

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
 

Al, since there is a rumor you're interested in computers (Byron
started it!) you might look into encrypted email using Public/Private
Key (RSA) technology. It's very easy really. You give customers your
Public Key, and they can use that to encrypt credit card numbers and
anything else. ONLY YOU can decrypt the messages, using your Private
Key, which you do not distribute. (The Public Key could be published
on your web page for example.) [ This is essentially how secure web
pages work, BTW. ]

I have a program loaded on my system called PGP -- for "Pretty Good
Privacy". It works with my Eudora email software; you can probably
find something like it to work with your email software.


Hobby shops routinely order by email because they have accounts with us.
We'd be willing to do so for modelers as long as we know you.
Alternatively, some folks have ordered by sending their credit card info
broken up in several emails. - Al

Timothy O'Connor <timoconnor@mediaone.net>
Marlborough, Massachusetts


Re: Resin

westerfield <westerfield@...>
 


Suppose I order a slow-moving kit?
Martin may operate that way but we don't. We don't batch except for brand
new kits or for a show. Otherwise, if you order it, we make it for you on a
FIFO basis. We rarely take longer than 10 days to turn an order around. -
Al Westerfield


Re: Resin

westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

Strange as it sounds, I think this is
what is at the heart of those requests of Martin to get a web page and/or
that both Al & Martin take orders directly thru the web.

Dave Nelson
Dave - The price of the "market basket" service is too great for a company
as small as ours. Believe me, we've checked it out. The program we use for
our web page can be upgraded to allow this but only using the captive
service offered by the program writer. And our catalog is so extensive we
couldn't change it too another service.

Hobby shops routinely order by email because they have accounts with us.
We'd be willing to do so for modelers as long as we know you.
Alternatively, some folks have ordered by sending their credit card info
broken up in several emails. - Al


Re: Ertl gons - OOPS

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
 

John Nehrich wrote

I think it was someone on this group, but I can't remember who, that
I said the Ertl gon must be based on the ACL car
John,

It wasn't me. I've always known that the Ertl car was based on the
RPI Shop model of the MEC gondola, and I've said so many times. The
Ertl cars were all based on models, not prototypes! Some noisy ACL
fans (just kiddin') thought if they wished hard enough, they could
alter the origin of the Ertl gondola -- no such luck!

(I swapped Jim Six two Ertl gondolas for a brand new Stewart F unit.
Best trade I ever made! I'm sure Jim thought they were correct for
ACL.)



Timothy O'Connor <timoconnor@mediaone.net>
Marlborough, Massachusetts


Re: Resin

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
 

Isn't there another edge to that sword? In other words, isn't it
likely that people WON'T order items that are not in stock?
No. ;o)

Haven't you ever "back-ordered" something from Walthers? Or put
in a reservation for a piece of brass? Model railroaders are used
to waiting, and waiting, and waiting...


Timothy O'Connor <timoconnor@mediaone.net>
Marlborough, Massachusetts


Re: Resinous thoughts

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
 

Well......I can certainly provide photographs. I've
never seen plans for the SSW cabooses. And no way
am I capable of making masters! Surely Martin doesn't
rely on everyone else to do masters for him (does he?).
Shawn

Most Sunshine masters are NOT made by Martin -- a large
number of them have been made by Frank Hodina. From what
I gather some models are collaborative efforts by several
master makers. I agree with Ted that if you make a good
set of masters, you will interest Martin or Al or someone
into casting them for you.

Timothy O'Connor <timoconnor@mediaone.net>
Marlborough, Massachusetts


Re: Resin

Peter Reinhold <paintplustrains@...>
 

Hi Guys,

Been following this resin thread and would like to offer up a comment or
two.
I get the feeling from Martin that he is very happy doing business the way
he does. In case you haven't noticed he gets to travel to several model RR
related events a year on the company's tab. He is doing something I must
believe he enjoys doing for a living. And, if I'm any example of the
average modeler, I would be hard pressed to run out of unbuilt kits in the
three months Martin, at times, take to deliver the goods.

Pete Reinhold, hoping the flames are not too hard on the unbuilt kits!!


Re: resin, kits, and collectors

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
 

Well, I'm afraid Richard Hendrickson's prediction of a kit-less
future may be fast approaching...

I called Intermountain today, to find out why the sideframes on
all my F-unit drives were already assembled, and the pieces to
make different style journals were not included. The answer I got
was "No one wants to assemble them. If someone calls to complain,
we just mail them the sprues to make their modifications."

Also, the latest shell, a C&NW paint scheme, only comes R-T-R.
No kits!! Oh, you didn't want plastic grabirons? Sorry! Too bad.

If I didn't already have enough kits for 3 lifetimes, this kind
of thing would really tick me off!


Timothy O'Connor <timoconnor@mediaone.net>
Marlborough, Massachusetts


Re: Resinous thoughts

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
 

Although Al Westerfield may not directly benefit from the value of
his passenger cars on Ebay, he may benefit in the long run if people
begin to think of Westerfield kits as "collector items".

In fact, if Al were a true mercenary (which he isn't) he would make
all of his kits Limited Editions*. This guarantees that old kits are
more valuable than new ones! And it also makes new kits much more
attractive to buy. Look at the success of Fine Scale Miniatures --
and the number of copycat structures vendors!

* And to make them truly priceless, Al could make kits so incredibly
complicated and difficult to build that to actually put one together
would eradicate its value to collectors -- just like FSM kits!


Timothy O'Connor <timoconnor@mediaone.net>
Marlborough, Massachusetts


Re: Resin

billd@...
 

Byron,

I simply made a sugestion that Martin look into a
website...I felt that it would be a good way to showcase his
work, avoid sending out sheaf after sheaf of catalogue pages
and so forth...if he choses to ignore it, fine. I don't have
a problem with it.

However, having said that, it would be very convienent for
me to check out what he's currently producing, may produce
in the future, or has out of production by simply clicking
on an icon or two. He can always farm out the webwork...I
feel it might even lead to increased sales...and we all know
where that slippery slope leads to!

Bill Daniels
Tucson, AZ

On Thu, 7 Jun 2001 19:17:50 -0400
byronrose@juno.com wrote:


On Thu, 7 Jun 2001 09:24:18 -0700 "Dave & Libby Nelson"
<muskoka@ix.netcom.com> writes:



Which raises another question: why is some people
(myself included)
find the
friction of using the postal service (e.g., writing the
letter,
licking the
stamp, etc.) sufficently off-putting as to have
prevented placing an
order
directly with either Al or Martin? Strange as it
sounds, I think
this is
what is at the heart of those requests of Martin to get
a web page
and/or
that both Al & Martin take orders directly thru the
web.

Having ordered from both parties, I can provide a very
slanted answer to
that, at least in the case of ordering from Martin
Loftin. Because you
have to wait a minimum of three months to get your
models. I can handle
a month, even a month and a half, but I feel that three
months is just
too long a wait for any mail order, in spite of what the
law says.

That hasn't stopped me from acquiring Sunshine Model
kits, however.
Martin goes to enough shows that usually somebody I know
can get me
almost anything I may want.

OTOH, except when he's away at a meeting, Al rarely takes
more than 7-10
days to get an order back to me.

But I don't understand why anyone here should be imposing
their desires
on the way someone like Martin does business. I frankly
don't blame him
for wanting to stay off the web. I sometimes regret just
getting on an
email list like this one when there's 30-40 messages to
read each day and
I've got a set of X-23 patterns crying out to me to
finish them. The
whole internet experience can be very intimidating for
someone who's
never used it on a regular basis and has to start with a
copy of
"Internet for Idiots!" I'd have no interest in doing it,
but if someone
like Al enjoys playing with computers, and he certainly
does, more power
to him. Also more megahertz and gigabytes, too. But who
the heck are we
to demand that Martin Loftin get an internet site so that
we won't be
inconvenienced by needing to pick up a phone and actually
place a call to
a real live person.

GET A LIFE.

BSR




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Re: Resin

Dave & Libby Nelson <muskoka@...>
 

If you are going to do mail order for Al's kits you'll get a better deal
from Matt at:

Between the Bookends
6320 C Baseline Road
Little Rock, AR. 72209

or mdillow@arkansas.net

But next time you visit the Bay Area I'm sure you won't regret a visit to
the Train Shop in Santa Clara. Great selection of books. Usually well
stocked with top of the line HO. Better than, say Mitchells on the east
coast, to name one of the larger stores I've visited. Not much brass here
anymore tho.

Dave Nelson

-----Original Message-----
From: dixierails [mailto:dixierails@artddc.net]
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 1:54 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Resin


Dave,
Could you provide me with an address and perhaps a phone number of the
"Train Shop" and whether they have a mail order or phone order
side of their
business. I have a need for a dozen or so of Al's kits and I'd
love to find
somewhere that offered them at any size of a discount. Thanks.
Larry Sexton
----- Original Message -----
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To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 12:24 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Resin




-----Original Message-----
5 miles from my house is the Train Shop of Santa Clara CA., which
normally has 200-300 Westerfield kits in stock (at discounted prices).

Dave Nelson


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Re: Resinous thoughts

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

Based on the reply I received the person selling the kits (Thomas
Baldwin) may have purchased the items before Gronski died or may have
offered his widow (if he had one) a package deal. Anyway it goes he is
making a calculated profit based on his purchase price. Probably a lot more
than he figured<G>.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax DCC owner, Chief system
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


"Mr. Gronski passed away several months back. Mr. Thomas
Baldwin (owner of Baldwin's Book Barn) was a friend of Mr. Gronski's and
purchased most of Mr. Gronski's modeling items"

Come on Tony, I think that Tom was referring to the alive guy who put the
kits on ebay. I seriously doubt that he expected Bob to rise again just
to do that. It's the alive guy who's raking in the bucks with no more
investment than a funeral.

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