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Re: : CGW 1947 PS-1

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
 

Regarding the CGW's 1947 order of PS-1's, while packing up photos for
my house move I found that I had a 1960-ish photo of one of these cars with
the "Lucky Strike" herald that I bought from Michael Gruber. He is a regular
photographer/dealer from Wisconsin who goes to Naperville, and many other
shows as well.


Re: Resin

Dave & Libby Nelson <muskoka@...>
 

-----Original Message-----
As has been noted by others, the bidding on kits that are still in
production at prices significantly above the retail market price is
baffling...but clearly indicates that "rarity" is not a requirement!!
As a long time ebayer (4 yrs) I've seen and participated enough to have
formed an opinion on this very fact -- concluding that scarcity is very
relative. 5 miles from my house is the Train Shop of Santa Clara CA., which
normally has 200-300 Westerfield kits in stock (at discounted prices).
Being flush with choices, I almost never bid on that product line on ebay
(tho on occasion I've scored some very good deals). I can see how somebody
in, say, Ely Nevada, might have a very different appreciation for what ebay
has to offer and would be willing to pay a premium when the opportunity
arises.

Which raises another question: why is some people (myself included) find the
friction of using the postal service (e.g., writing the letter, licking the
stamp, etc.) sufficently off-putting as to have prevented placing an order
directly with either Al or Martin? Strange as it sounds, I think this is
what is at the heart of those requests of Martin to get a web page and/or
that both Al & Martin take orders directly thru the web.

Dave Nelson


Resin

Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. <smithbf@...>
 

Morning Y'all,

Okay...I've been following (and bidding on a few) the resin on eBay, and I
have decided the following...Al (Westerfield), you need to change your
motto. It isn't as good as brass, its better! Brass does not appreciate,
but clearly, resin kits do, and the bidding is stunning. Two days ago I
was worried that the Westerfield "Yellow Kid" (1602951810) set wasn't
getting the attention it deserved...this morning it went for $521...thats
over $85 per car!!!!

As has been noted by others, the bidding on kits that are still in
production at prices significantly above the retail market price is
baffling...but clearly indicates that "rarity" is not a requirement!! I
hesitate to think of the prices that these cars might bring if the kits had
been built (or would that ruin the value?). This is actually a practical
question as I have a couple of Westerfield kits that are the wrong era for
me (e.g. PRR and Berwind GL hoppers). I could build these kits and sell
the built up models on eBay, since I enjoy building Al's kit tremendously,
or I could just sell or trade the kits...

Happy Rails
Bruce

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Re: Georgia RR Boxcars

Richard Hendrickson
 

Richard - What can be done with the Tichy kit, in terms of fixing the roof?
Cut the roof off an
MDC 50 foot single-sheathed box car? Use the Central Valley stock car
roof? - John
My cowardly solution is to model one of the cars with the homemade welded
steel roof, as this can easily be represented with sheet styrene and .010
styrene rounds cemented into grooves to simulate weld seams.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Life-Like WP gons

Richard Hendrickson
 

Somewhere, probably from the L-L site, I have a description that some of
their Western Pacific gons have "orange corners". I don't know what that
means (I'm even doubting now that I saw this), and neither does Garth Groff,
who knows far more than WP than I do. Does anyone have these models?
John, I don't remember the details, but the L-L models were based on photos
of WP black/orange gondolas which had orange corners to identify them as
being in some sort of assigned service.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Wood End Ban Date

byronrose@...
 

In fact, they were never banned. Weren't wooden end reefers used right
up until the end of our interest. And even beyond I bet, but I'm not
interested in looking it up.

BSR


On Wed, 6 Jun 2001 11:57:49 -0400 "John Nehrich" <nehrij@rpi.edu> writes:
I wasn't aware that they ever were banned. Most of the bans were on
mechanical problems, involving trucks and underframes. Except for
tank
cars, there doesn't seem to have been much official concern about
the car
itself or the cargo. I always thought that solving the problem of
the load
shifting and breaking through the end of the box car is like making
stronger
windshields for autos rather than seat belts and air bags. - John
----- Original Message -----
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To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 10:00 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Wood End Ban Date


Friends,

What was the date that box cars with wood ends were banned from
interchange?

Regards,

Guy Wilber
Sparks, Nevada

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Re: Life-Like WP gons

ted_culotta@...
 

The article on these cars in RP Cyc #3 has photos that confirm this.
The caption states that the corners (only two) were painted
International Airport Orange, but it does not indicate the reason for
the paint.

Ted

--- In STMFC@y..., "John Nehrich" <nehrij@r...> wrote:
Somewhere, probably from the L-L site, I have a description that
some of
their Western Pacific gons have "orange corners". I don't know
what that
means (I'm even doubting now that I saw this), and neither does
Garth Groff,
who knows far more than WP than I do. Does anyone have these
models? See
http://www.union.rpi.edu/railroad/images/rolling-stock/Kits/Life-
Like-kits.h
tml
for a further discussion of the mystery schemes. - John


Re: Southern photos

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
 

At least one photo of a Southern low side gondola appeared in O. Winston
Link's "The Last Steam Railroad in America".

At 07:27 PM 6/6/01 -0400, you wrote:
166 prints arrived on consignment from Bob's Photo of Southern RR subjects.
I will return about 100 as they are too modern (good news for our modern
colleagues). IMO among the treasures are the only in service photos I have
ever seen of their low side gons (both 10 & 12 panels sides) in steam era
lettering and three nice photos of their high side gons (coming soon from
Sunshine). No ventilators or SU truss cars, but all the other house cars are
well represented. What a great way to shop!
Timothy O'Connor <timoconnor@mediaone.net>
Marlborough, Massachusetts


Southern photos

Bill Welch <bwelch@...>
 

166 prints arrived on consignment from Bob's Photo of Southern RR subjects. I will return about 100 as they are too modern (good news for our modern colleagues). IMO among the treasures are the only in service photos I have ever seen of their low side gons (both 10 & 12 panels sides) in steam era lettering and three nice photos of their high side gons (coming soon from Sunshine). No ventilators or SU truss cars, but all the other house cars are well represented. What a great way to shop!


Bill Welch <bwelch@uucf.org>
Associate Minister, Unitarian Universalist Congregation of Fairfax
P.O. Box 130 Oakton VA 22124 www.uucf.org
Telephone 703 281-4230 Fax 703 281-5399


Life-Like WP gons

John Nehrich <nehrij@...>
 

Somewhere, probably from the L-L site, I have a description that some of
their Western Pacific gons have "orange corners". I don't know what that
means (I'm even doubting now that I saw this), and neither does Garth Groff,
who knows far more than WP than I do. Does anyone have these models? See
http://www.union.rpi.edu/railroad/images/rolling-stock/Kits/Life-Like-kits.h
tml
for a further discussion of the mystery schemes. - John


GA RR book was: More on GA RR Box Cars

Curt Fortenberry <arrphoto@...>
 

Although there was lots of talk about Bob Hanson's book on the GA RR,
no one mentioned the publisher's web site, where his and other RR
books are mentioned. The publisher is Overmountain Press. This is
their web page for just railroad history:

http://www.overmtn.com/NewPages/mainfz.html

Curt Fortenberry


Re: Wood End Ban Date

John Nehrich <nehrij@...>
 

I wasn't aware that they ever were banned. Most of the bans were on
mechanical problems, involving trucks and underframes. Except for tank
cars, there doesn't seem to have been much official concern about the car
itself or the cargo. I always thought that solving the problem of the load
shifting and breaking through the end of the box car is like making stronger
windshields for autos rather than seat belts and air bags. - John

----- Original Message -----
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To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 10:00 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Wood End Ban Date


Friends,

What was the date that box cars with wood ends were banned from
interchange?

Regards,

Guy Wilber
Sparks, Nevada

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Re: Georgia RR Box Cars

Denis Blake <dblake3@...>
 

Garth

You are right, there is a GA book by Mr. Prince. However, it does not deal
with freight cars and the like. But, if you are interested in steam power
man, that is THE GARR book to have, make no mistake about it.


Denis F. Blake
Columbus, OH
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Garth G. Groff" <ggg9y@virginia.edu>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 7:57 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Georgia RR Box Cars


Denis and Richard,

Don't forget that the granddaddy of all Georgia Railroad books is the
one by Richard E. Prince. Not much on cars, but Oh what great locomotive
photos!

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Denis Blake wrote:

Actually there are a couple of GA books. There is Bob Hansons
outstanding
work on the GA, THE book about the Georgia Road.

There is also a book by Forrest Beckum, JR. and Albert Langley, JR on
the
GA. It is called Georgia Railway Album. It is a soft cover affair 70
pages
long. It has a shot of one of the cars you are talking about that has
been
rebuilt into a caboose. If you are interested I can scan that shot and
send
it to you.

Denis F. Blake
Columbus, OH
TTHOTS

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Hendrickson" <rhendrickson@opendoor.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Georgia RR Box Cars

I'm interested to learn that there is a photo of one of these cars, as
I've
been on the lookout for one for years. For that matter, I'm interested
to
learn that there's an entire book on the Georgia RR. Who knew? Any
chance
you could send me a scan or a good photocopy of that photo?

The dimensions in the ORERs strongly suggest that the GA 19300-19499
series
and the WofA 17000-17147 series were clones of the L&N's 13500-13999
series, which were built in 1924 to the L&N's version of the ARA
recommended-practice 50 ton single sheathed design. This seems
especially
plausible since the L&N had a substantial financial interest in the
GA/WofA/A&WP. If so, they would have had hat section Pratt Truss side
framing. I know for sure they resembled the L&N cars in having ARA
truck
spacing (with the truck centers only 5' in from the end sills), the
same
U-section ARA trucks, and 7-8 Murphy corrugated steel ends, as I have a
couple of photos of the GA cars after they were rebuilt with steel sides
and panel steel roofs. Unfortunately, none of the photos I have of the
L&N
cars show the roofs very well.

Modeling the GA/WofA cars is a prospect that doesn't raise my pulse rate
much, but if the L&N prototype cars were identical or nearly so, I'd be
very much interested in getting some castings to model them, as there
were
a lot more of them and they traveled widely in interchange.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520

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Re: Georgia RR Box Cars

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Denis and Richard,

Don't forget that the granddaddy of all Georgia Railroad books is the
one by Richard E. Prince. Not much on cars, but Oh what great locomotive
photos!

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Denis Blake wrote:


Actually there are a couple of GA books. There is Bob Hansons outstanding
work on the GA, THE book about the Georgia Road.

There is also a book by Forrest Beckum, JR. and Albert Langley, JR on the
GA. It is called Georgia Railway Album. It is a soft cover affair 70 pages
long. It has a shot of one of the cars you are talking about that has been
rebuilt into a caboose. If you are interested I can scan that shot and send
it to you.

Denis F. Blake
Columbus, OH
TTHOTS

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Hendrickson" <rhendrickson@opendoor.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Georgia RR Box Cars

I'm interested to learn that there is a photo of one of these cars, as I've
been on the lookout for one for years. For that matter, I'm interested to
learn that there's an entire book on the Georgia RR. Who knew? Any chance
you could send me a scan or a good photocopy of that photo?

The dimensions in the ORERs strongly suggest that the GA 19300-19499 series
and the WofA 17000-17147 series were clones of the L&N's 13500-13999
series, which were built in 1924 to the L&N's version of the ARA
recommended-practice 50 ton single sheathed design. This seems especially
plausible since the L&N had a substantial financial interest in the
GA/WofA/A&WP. If so, they would have had hat section Pratt Truss side
framing. I know for sure they resembled the L&N cars in having ARA truck
spacing (with the truck centers only 5' in from the end sills), the same
U-section ARA trucks, and 7-8 Murphy corrugated steel ends, as I have a
couple of photos of the GA cars after they were rebuilt with steel sides
and panel steel roofs. Unfortunately, none of the photos I have of the L&N
cars show the roofs very well.

Modeling the GA/WofA cars is a prospect that doesn't raise my pulse rate
much, but if the L&N prototype cars were identical or nearly so, I'd be
very much interested in getting some castings to model them, as there were
a lot more of them and they traveled widely in interchange.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520

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Wood End Ban Date

Guy Wilber
 

Friends,

What was the date that box cars with wood ends were banned from interchange?

Regards,

Guy Wilber
Sparks, Nevada


Re: Resin

westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

Jon - As far as I know Gronski upgraded all of his old Westerfield kits to
the new resin. - Al Westerfield

----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Miller <atsf@inow.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Resin


I think some of the buyers may be surprised a some of the Westerfield
kits. According to the numbers they are the older resin (but depending on
when they were bought they may be old or new resin as Al now casts older
numbers with new resin). I saw some older kits marked new resin so I
guess
Gronski upgraded some kits. I don't think Al does this anymore.
On the F&C kits, is there anyway to tell the newer kits from the older
kits?

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
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Re: PRR flat car

Richard Hendrickson
 

Clark Propst wrote:

....I have a jpeg of a UTLX tank car with the number six (6)
stenciled on the end of the dome. What's up with that?
Beats me, Clark. Send me the JPEG and maybe I can figure something out.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: PRR flat car

Clark Propst <cepropst@...>
 

Thanks Richard,
I don't think any of the locals know this. I will be sure to pass it
on. And I just prepared three jpegs of the car encase someone was
interested.
I want to thank Bruce also, the link he provided was very helpful.

Next, I have a jpeg of a UTLX tank car with the number six (6)
stenciled on the end of the dome. What's up with that?
Clark

Richard Hendrickson wrote:

Clark Propst wrote:

A while back there was mention of a PRR short flat car with V like
side sills. The IATR has a car like that. It has been fitted with a
snowplow. It has big rivets! If anyone has info on the PRR car I can
see
if it matches the IATR car.
Clark
Clark, this IATR car was discussed some time ago either on this list
or on
the freight car list, and IIRC it was established that it was, in
fact, an
ex-PRR gun flat. One of the SPFs was even able to identify which
class,
though I don't remember the details.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520



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More on GA RR Box Cars

golden1014
 

Hi Richard and All,

Before we go tooling off on another GA RR box car prototype... Richard is right; the box car in question is the 1924 ARA composite car. GA RR did in fact have USRA SS cars as mentioned...the picture sent by one of the fellows here is a perfect example.

The Hanson book has a nice side photo of the GA's ARA car (I've heard it called a "six-panel" car), which is similar to Seaboard's B-3/4/5-class pratt truss cars. The photo doesn't show the roof and ends, which I need to start a modeling project. If I can get hold of Bob Hanson perhaps I can get the information I need. Richard's skullduggery on the other GA road and L&N cars is a good starting point but I'd like to see a photo before proceeding.

The Hanson book, by the way, is an outstanding railroad book. It's not all about just diesels or steam engines, but rather about the entire railroad. Lots of great portrait-type photos. I don't have one but am looking for a copy. Richard, if you can't get a copy and would like a scan, let me know and I'll send you a scan when I find the book.

Yours,

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Re: Georgia RR Boxcars

dixierails <dixierails@...>
 

John,
Two of the GaRR rebuilt 40' USRA boxcars that I have climbed over and under
had radial roofs. I reproduced them in model form by building up the 5/5/5
ends with styrene and then rounding the model ends to match the real ends.
The roof was made from a sheet of .020" styrene with a sub-roof and rounded
roof lines to maintain the proper configuration.

A number of the USRA cars that were rebuilt in the mid-30s retained their
original roofs. A number of these cars had radial roofs installed using
.125" sheet metal.
Larry Sexton

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To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Georgia RR Boxcars


Yes, but it represents one of the USRA 50 ton single sheathed cars which
the GA rebuilt with steel sheathing on the original framing, not the
1924
single sheathed box cars.

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