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Re: More on GA RR USRA SS Cars

Curt Fortenberry <arrphoto@...>
 

Were the cars ever painted in a box car red scheme following the
rebuilding, or did they come out of the shop with the silver/black
paint? Thanks for the help!

Yours,

John Golden
John,

I've got a photo of the car in boxcar red, but it's a 50's vintage
photo. So I dunno if it was painted that way or simply just a
repaint.

Curt Fortenberry


Re: RR X-23 Resin

Jared V Harper <harper-brown@...>
 


F&C can be reached at RD#3, Box 2800, Honesdale, PA 18431 or via
email at fandc@ezaccess.net or by phone 570-224-4989. Also, he now
takes all 4 major credit cards.
The LAST time I ordered from F&C it took exactly 6 months from order to
delivery. I decided then that nothing F&C would produce would be worth
the wait.

Jared Harper
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Re: More on GA RR USRA SS Cars

John Nehrich <nehrij@...>
 

John - I've posted a c. '31 photo on the Tichy section of our web site
http://www.union.rpi.edu/railroad/images/rolling-stock/Kits/Tichy-kits.html
showing a car in what appears to be silver and black (judging from a b&w
photo, assuming the only other choice is box car red with white).
Apparently some cars got painted bcr and white at some time, but I don't
under what conditions, as this same silver and black scheme is seen in
post-steam days. - John

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 5:12 PM
Subject: [STMFC] More on GA RR USRA SS Cars



Hey Richard,

While we're on the subject of Georgia's USRA SS cars, I need a helping
hand with specific car information following their rebuilding. After the
cars were rebuilt with steel sides (but retaining their exterior SS braces),
some/most/all the cars were painted silver with black ends and black
lettering. Were the cars ever painted in a box car red scheme following the
rebuilding, or did they come out of the shop with the silver/black paint?
Thanks for the help!

Yours,

John Golden

Vacaville, CA



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More on GA RR USRA SS Cars

golden1014
 

Hey Richard,

While we're on the subject of Georgia's USRA SS cars, I need a helping hand with specific car information following their rebuilding. After the cars were rebuilt with steel sides (but retaining their exterior SS braces), some/most/all the cars were painted silver with black ends and black lettering. Were the cars ever painted in a box car red scheme following the rebuilding, or did they come out of the shop with the silver/black paint? Thanks for the help!

Yours,

John Golden

Vacaville, CA



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Re: Resin

Peter Reinhold <paintplustrains@...>
 

Thanks Victor. We ARE normal and no one should try to change us.

Peter Reinhold
Paint Plus Trains
375 Fourth Street
Prairie Du Sac, Wi. 53578
NMRA L4415
PRRT&HS #5518

On Friday, June 08, 2001 12:31 PM, fwj@mail.fwi.com [SMTP:fwj@mail.fwi.com] wrote:
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I would be hard pressed to run out of unbuilt kits in the
three months Martin, at times, take to deliver the goods.
Thanks for making me feel normal!
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Re: RR X-23 Resin

Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. <smithbf@...>
 

Larry, et. al.,

Bruce, Would you be willing to provide me with your list of 1943 PRR cars.
The list is on the web at:
http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/BFSpages/PRR/carclasses.html

I obtained the data from the Keystone Volume 7, Number 3, September 1974,
which has far more years than 1943 and '45 listed.

Happy Rails
Bruce

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Re: RR X-23 Resin

dixierails <dixierails@...>
 

Bruce,
Thanks to you and Ted for the discussion on the F&C cars, and for providing
their mailing address and phone #. Now I know where to order from F&C, or
better yet, can do it over the phone.

Bruce, Would you be willing to provide me with your list of 1943 PRR cars.
I'm acquiring freightcars now for the PRR, which I never expected to model.
Over the last two weeks I've bought an F-28, an F37b, two F22s and two
versions of the F-29s. These are just to move heavy loads, like turbines,
gear drives, propellers, etc. When I come up your way, I'll try to remember
to bring a couple of them. They will need some work to track well and the
paint will destroy their value to the "in-the-box-virgin-models" collectors.
But I'm not worried about the resale value when I'm gone.

Ted is right about how nice certain types of loads look with the Sunshine
gon. I brought two at Naperville and would have bought more via mail, except
my last two orders have taken 12 weeks or more to arrive. I'm calling around
to see if I can find anyone stocking them.
Larry Sexton

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D." <smithbf@mail.auburn.edu>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: RR X-23 [STMFC] Resin


Or are you implying that I might be better off scratchbuilding my own? If
I did that, then a Tichy, Red Caboose or IM X-23 would be released
somewhere halfway through my project!!!

Happy Rails
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D.


Re: Resin

fwj@...
 

--- In STMFC@y..., Peter Reinhold <paintplustrains@c...> wrote:
I would be hard pressed to run out of unbuilt kits in the
three months Martin, at times, take to deliver the goods.
Thanks for making me feel normal!
Victor Baird


Re: RR X-23 Resin

Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. <smithbf@...>
 

Tim sez:
Bruce, don't get too excited. Does the word "glacier" mean anything to
you? How about "like cycle of the bristlecone pine" ... or "Highliner" ?
^^^^^^^^^^
So, it will be "worth the wait"? <G> Well considering that the layout is
only a plan...I'd say that the race was on...can I build a layout before
the X-23 is ready!

Or are you implying that I might be better off scratchbuilding my own? If
I did that, then a Tichy, Red Caboose or IM X-23 would be released
somewhere halfway through my project!!!

Happy Rails
Bruce

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Re: RR X-23 Resin

ted_culotta@...
 

I was aware of F&C's GS, but not a GR. The F&C GS is a real nice
alternative to Bowser as they come 2 per pack and are about the
same cost
as Bowser for a much nicer model. Of course, I'll need to build 25
of them!

You should forget about both Bowser and F&C's GS models. Sunshine
has released a magnificent GS model that is essentially one-piece
with a drop-in floor-- detail on both sides that is really
extraordinary. The kits can also be ordered with a choice of loads
for $10 extra. One is of the big knobby Caterpillar style tires and
the others is for an x-frame load (the structural support underneath
the rails on a girder bridge). The x-frame load in a GS along with
two of the Sunshine bridge girders on flats with idlers would make a
phenomenal part of a consist. These loads are advertised as
available only with one of these kits, not separately.


A couple of you have mentioned F&C's flyers...how do I get a
catalog and
get on the mailing list? (I'm assuming I need to write - anyone
have an
address handy?)
F&C can be reached at RD#3, Box 2800, Honesdale, PA 18431 or via
email at fandc@ezaccess.net or by phone 570-224-4989. Also, he now
takes all 4 major credit cards.

Ted Culotta


Re: RR X-23 Resin

Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. <smithbf@...>
 

--- In STMFC@y..., "Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D." <smithbf@m...>
wrote:
AWWWWRIGHT! I was just purusing my lists of the top 30 classes of
PRR cars
in 1943 and 1945
the only ones not covered in some form
(excluding brass) are the GR, X-23 and H-25.
Ted replied:

I believe that F&C has done the GR. It can also be roughly kitbashed
from Al's GRa kits.
I was aware of F&C's GS, but not a GR. The F&C GS is a real nice
alternative to Bowser as they come 2 per pack and are about the same cost
as Bowser for a much nicer model. Of course, I'll need to build 25 of them!

A couple of you have mentioned F&C's flyers...how do I get a catalog and
get on the mailing list? (I'm assuming I need to write - anyone have an
address handy?)

Happy Rails
Bruce

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Re: RR X-23 Resin

ted_culotta@...
 

--- In STMFC@y..., "Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D." <smithbf@m...>
wrote:
AWWWWRIGHT! I was just purusing my lists of the top 30 classes of
PRR cars
in 1943 and 1945
the only ones not covered in some form
(excluding brass) are the GR, X-23 and H-25.
I believe that F&C has done the GR. It can also be roughly kitbashed
from Al's GRa kits.

Ted


Re: RR X-23 Resin

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
 

Bruce, don't get too excited. Does the word "glacier" mean anything to
you? How about "like cycle of the bristlecone pine" ... or "Highliner" ?


I've got a set of X-23 patterns crying out to me to finish them.
AWWWWRIGHT! I was just purusing my lists of the top 30 classes of PRR cars
in 1943 and 1945
(http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/BFSpages/PRR/carclasses.html) and
realizing that the X-23 was one of the few classes not available, for which
I will need a number of cars!
Timothy O'Connor <timoconnor@mediaone.net>
Marlborough, Massachusetts


RR X-23 Resin

Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. <smithbf@...>
 

Morning,

Byron said:
I've got a set of X-23 patterns crying out to me to finish them.
AWWWWRIGHT! I was just purusing my lists of the top 30 classes of PRR cars
in 1943 and 1945
(http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/BFSpages/PRR/carclasses.html) and
realizing that the X-23 was one of the few classes not available, for which
I will need a number of cars! let me encourage you to finish those masters
<G>. Of the top 15 classes (below), the only ones not covered in some form
(excluding brass) are the GR, X-23 and H-25. I reserved 24 of the Bowser
GLa yesterday (being offerred as discounted 12 packs pre-release) so that
part of the fleet is covered (just hope they do a good version <G>) and I
can always slowly replace them with Westerfield...

As I figure it...I should have about 50% PRR cars on the layout. Given an
average train length on my layout of 25 cars, then 20 trains worth is 500
cars (or 250 PRR) If I simply round the number of cars in each of the top
30 classes to the nearest 1,000 and divide by 1000, out of a total of
approximately 221 PRR cars, I should have:
39 H-21a
28 X-29
26 GLa
25 GS
13 GRa
10 X-26
9 X-25
8 GLc
8 GR
7 X-31a
6 X-23
5 H-25
5 G-22
5 X-28a
4 G-27
etc...

Happy Rails
Bruce

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Re: Resinous thoughts

byronrose@...
 

On Thu, 07 Jun 2001 21:19:39 -0400 "Tim O'Connor"
<timoconnor@mediaone.net> writes:

Although Al Westerfield may not directly benefit from the value of
his passenger cars on Ebay, he may benefit in the long run if people
begin to think of Westerfield kits as "collector items".

In fact, if Al were a true mercenary (which he isn't) he would make
all of his kits Limited Editions*.
Tim,

The irony of your ststement is that Als passenger car sets ARE limited
editions. He only planned to produce a finite number of each set which
he easily sold with his first edition, the Columbian Exposition. Perhaps
he was greedy by doing a second set which happened to be the Yellow Kid.
Which completely disproves your next statement.


This guarantees that old kits are
more valuable than new ones! And it also makes new kits much more
attractive to buy. Look at the success of Fine Scale Miniatures --
and the number of copycat structures vendors!

* And to make them truly priceless, Al could make kits so incredibly
complicated and difficult to build that to actually put one
together
would eradicate its value to collectors -- just like FSM kits!
I guess you never tried to build one of Als passenger cars, did you?

BSR
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Re: Resin

Dave & Libby Nelson <muskoka@...>
 

Hobby shops routinely order by email because they have accounts with us.
We'd be willing to do so for modelers as long as we know you.
Alternatively, some folks have ordered by sending their credit card info
broken up in several emails. - Al
Al, you ought to take a look at Paypal.com It's used a lot by folks on
ebay. I've used it a number of times to pay for items on ebay -- I go to
their web page and enter my account, specify the recipients e-mail address,
item description & amount and it's charged against my credit card right
then. Within a few minutes I get a receipt by e-mail and the seller has the
money in their account. Sometimes the seller has the link right there in
their auction page. Couldn't be easier.

Dave Nelson


Re: Resin

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
 

Al, since there is a rumor you're interested in computers (Byron
started it!) you might look into encrypted email using Public/Private
Key (RSA) technology. It's very easy really. You give customers your
Public Key, and they can use that to encrypt credit card numbers and
anything else. ONLY YOU can decrypt the messages, using your Private
Key, which you do not distribute. (The Public Key could be published
on your web page for example.) [ This is essentially how secure web
pages work, BTW. ]

I have a program loaded on my system called PGP -- for "Pretty Good
Privacy". It works with my Eudora email software; you can probably
find something like it to work with your email software.


Hobby shops routinely order by email because they have accounts with us.
We'd be willing to do so for modelers as long as we know you.
Alternatively, some folks have ordered by sending their credit card info
broken up in several emails. - Al

Timothy O'Connor <timoconnor@mediaone.net>
Marlborough, Massachusetts


Re: Resin

westerfield <westerfield@...>
 


Suppose I order a slow-moving kit?
Martin may operate that way but we don't. We don't batch except for brand
new kits or for a show. Otherwise, if you order it, we make it for you on a
FIFO basis. We rarely take longer than 10 days to turn an order around. -
Al Westerfield


Re: Resin

westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

Strange as it sounds, I think this is
what is at the heart of those requests of Martin to get a web page and/or
that both Al & Martin take orders directly thru the web.

Dave Nelson
Dave - The price of the "market basket" service is too great for a company
as small as ours. Believe me, we've checked it out. The program we use for
our web page can be upgraded to allow this but only using the captive
service offered by the program writer. And our catalog is so extensive we
couldn't change it too another service.

Hobby shops routinely order by email because they have accounts with us.
We'd be willing to do so for modelers as long as we know you.
Alternatively, some folks have ordered by sending their credit card info
broken up in several emails. - Al


Re: Ertl gons - OOPS

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
 

John Nehrich wrote

I think it was someone on this group, but I can't remember who, that
I said the Ertl gon must be based on the ACL car
John,

It wasn't me. I've always known that the Ertl car was based on the
RPI Shop model of the MEC gondola, and I've said so many times. The
Ertl cars were all based on models, not prototypes! Some noisy ACL
fans (just kiddin') thought if they wished hard enough, they could
alter the origin of the Ertl gondola -- no such luck!

(I swapped Jim Six two Ertl gondolas for a brand new Stewart F unit.
Best trade I ever made! I'm sure Jim thought they were correct for
ACL.)



Timothy O'Connor <timoconnor@mediaone.net>
Marlborough, Massachusetts

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