Date   

Re: Resin

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
 

Isn't there another edge to that sword? In other words, isn't it
likely that people WON'T order items that are not in stock?
No. ;o)

Haven't you ever "back-ordered" something from Walthers? Or put
in a reservation for a piece of brass? Model railroaders are used
to waiting, and waiting, and waiting...


Timothy O'Connor <timoconnor@mediaone.net>
Marlborough, Massachusetts


Re: Resinous thoughts

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
 

Well......I can certainly provide photographs. I've
never seen plans for the SSW cabooses. And no way
am I capable of making masters! Surely Martin doesn't
rely on everyone else to do masters for him (does he?).
Shawn

Most Sunshine masters are NOT made by Martin -- a large
number of them have been made by Frank Hodina. From what
I gather some models are collaborative efforts by several
master makers. I agree with Ted that if you make a good
set of masters, you will interest Martin or Al or someone
into casting them for you.

Timothy O'Connor <timoconnor@mediaone.net>
Marlborough, Massachusetts


Re: Resin

Peter Reinhold <paintplustrains@...>
 

Hi Guys,

Been following this resin thread and would like to offer up a comment or
two.
I get the feeling from Martin that he is very happy doing business the way
he does. In case you haven't noticed he gets to travel to several model RR
related events a year on the company's tab. He is doing something I must
believe he enjoys doing for a living. And, if I'm any example of the
average modeler, I would be hard pressed to run out of unbuilt kits in the
three months Martin, at times, take to deliver the goods.

Pete Reinhold, hoping the flames are not too hard on the unbuilt kits!!


Re: resin, kits, and collectors

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
 

Well, I'm afraid Richard Hendrickson's prediction of a kit-less
future may be fast approaching...

I called Intermountain today, to find out why the sideframes on
all my F-unit drives were already assembled, and the pieces to
make different style journals were not included. The answer I got
was "No one wants to assemble them. If someone calls to complain,
we just mail them the sprues to make their modifications."

Also, the latest shell, a C&NW paint scheme, only comes R-T-R.
No kits!! Oh, you didn't want plastic grabirons? Sorry! Too bad.

If I didn't already have enough kits for 3 lifetimes, this kind
of thing would really tick me off!


Timothy O'Connor <timoconnor@mediaone.net>
Marlborough, Massachusetts


Re: Resinous thoughts

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
 

Although Al Westerfield may not directly benefit from the value of
his passenger cars on Ebay, he may benefit in the long run if people
begin to think of Westerfield kits as "collector items".

In fact, if Al were a true mercenary (which he isn't) he would make
all of his kits Limited Editions*. This guarantees that old kits are
more valuable than new ones! And it also makes new kits much more
attractive to buy. Look at the success of Fine Scale Miniatures --
and the number of copycat structures vendors!

* And to make them truly priceless, Al could make kits so incredibly
complicated and difficult to build that to actually put one together
would eradicate its value to collectors -- just like FSM kits!


Timothy O'Connor <timoconnor@mediaone.net>
Marlborough, Massachusetts


Re: Resin

billd@...
 

Byron,

I simply made a sugestion that Martin look into a
website...I felt that it would be a good way to showcase his
work, avoid sending out sheaf after sheaf of catalogue pages
and so forth...if he choses to ignore it, fine. I don't have
a problem with it.

However, having said that, it would be very convienent for
me to check out what he's currently producing, may produce
in the future, or has out of production by simply clicking
on an icon or two. He can always farm out the webwork...I
feel it might even lead to increased sales...and we all know
where that slippery slope leads to!

Bill Daniels
Tucson, AZ

On Thu, 7 Jun 2001 19:17:50 -0400
byronrose@juno.com wrote:


On Thu, 7 Jun 2001 09:24:18 -0700 "Dave & Libby Nelson"
<muskoka@ix.netcom.com> writes:



Which raises another question: why is some people
(myself included)
find the
friction of using the postal service (e.g., writing the
letter,
licking the
stamp, etc.) sufficently off-putting as to have
prevented placing an
order
directly with either Al or Martin? Strange as it
sounds, I think
this is
what is at the heart of those requests of Martin to get
a web page
and/or
that both Al & Martin take orders directly thru the
web.

Having ordered from both parties, I can provide a very
slanted answer to
that, at least in the case of ordering from Martin
Loftin. Because you
have to wait a minimum of three months to get your
models. I can handle
a month, even a month and a half, but I feel that three
months is just
too long a wait for any mail order, in spite of what the
law says.

That hasn't stopped me from acquiring Sunshine Model
kits, however.
Martin goes to enough shows that usually somebody I know
can get me
almost anything I may want.

OTOH, except when he's away at a meeting, Al rarely takes
more than 7-10
days to get an order back to me.

But I don't understand why anyone here should be imposing
their desires
on the way someone like Martin does business. I frankly
don't blame him
for wanting to stay off the web. I sometimes regret just
getting on an
email list like this one when there's 30-40 messages to
read each day and
I've got a set of X-23 patterns crying out to me to
finish them. The
whole internet experience can be very intimidating for
someone who's
never used it on a regular basis and has to start with a
copy of
"Internet for Idiots!" I'd have no interest in doing it,
but if someone
like Al enjoys playing with computers, and he certainly
does, more power
to him. Also more megahertz and gigabytes, too. But who
the heck are we
to demand that Martin Loftin get an internet site so that
we won't be
inconvenienced by needing to pick up a phone and actually
place a call to
a real live person.

GET A LIFE.

BSR




________________________________________________________________
GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO!
Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less!
Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit:
http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
STMFC-unsubscribe@egroups.com



Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/


Re: Resin

Dave & Libby Nelson <muskoka@...>
 

If you are going to do mail order for Al's kits you'll get a better deal
from Matt at:

Between the Bookends
6320 C Baseline Road
Little Rock, AR. 72209

or mdillow@arkansas.net

But next time you visit the Bay Area I'm sure you won't regret a visit to
the Train Shop in Santa Clara. Great selection of books. Usually well
stocked with top of the line HO. Better than, say Mitchells on the east
coast, to name one of the larger stores I've visited. Not much brass here
anymore tho.

Dave Nelson

-----Original Message-----
From: dixierails [mailto:dixierails@artddc.net]
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 1:54 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Resin


Dave,
Could you provide me with an address and perhaps a phone number of the
"Train Shop" and whether they have a mail order or phone order
side of their
business. I have a need for a dozen or so of Al's kits and I'd
love to find
somewhere that offered them at any size of a discount. Thanks.
Larry Sexton
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave & Libby Nelson" <muskoka@ix.netcom.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 12:24 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Resin




-----Original Message-----
5 miles from my house is the Train Shop of Santa Clara CA., which
normally has 200-300 Westerfield kits in stock (at discounted prices).

Dave Nelson


To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
STMFC-unsubscribe@egroups.com



Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/



Re: Resinous thoughts

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

Based on the reply I received the person selling the kits (Thomas
Baldwin) may have purchased the items before Gronski died or may have
offered his widow (if he had one) a package deal. Anyway it goes he is
making a calculated profit based on his purchase price. Probably a lot more
than he figured<G>.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax DCC owner, Chief system
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


"Mr. Gronski passed away several months back. Mr. Thomas
Baldwin (owner of Baldwin's Book Barn) was a friend of Mr. Gronski's and
purchased most of Mr. Gronski's modeling items"

Come on Tony, I think that Tom was referring to the alive guy who put the
kits on ebay. I seriously doubt that he expected Bob to rise again just
to do that. It's the alive guy who's raking in the bucks with no more
investment than a funeral.


Re: Resinous thoughts

byronrose@...
 

On Thu, 7 Jun 2001 16:10:51 -0700 thompson@signaturepress.com writes:
Tom Madden wrote:
...I hate to see someone making so much more money off of
these than Al did, with no more investment that tying up some money
for a
few months, taking a couple of digital photos, and popping them on
the web.

You forgot to mention that the guy died also. <g>

Come on Tony, I think that Tom was referring to the alive guy who put the
kits on ebay. I seriously doubt that he expected Bob to rise again just
to do that. It's the alive guy who's raking in the bucks with no more
investment than a funeral.

BSR
________________________________________________________________
GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO!
Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less!
Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit:
http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.


Re: Resin

byronrose@...
 

On Thu, 7 Jun 2001 09:24:18 -0700 "Dave & Libby Nelson"
<muskoka@ix.netcom.com> writes:



Which raises another question: why is some people (myself included)
find the
friction of using the postal service (e.g., writing the letter,
licking the
stamp, etc.) sufficently off-putting as to have prevented placing an
order
directly with either Al or Martin? Strange as it sounds, I think
this is
what is at the heart of those requests of Martin to get a web page
and/or
that both Al & Martin take orders directly thru the web.
Having ordered from both parties, I can provide a very slanted answer to
that, at least in the case of ordering from Martin Loftin. Because you
have to wait a minimum of three months to get your models. I can handle
a month, even a month and a half, but I feel that three months is just
too long a wait for any mail order, in spite of what the law says.

That hasn't stopped me from acquiring Sunshine Model kits, however.
Martin goes to enough shows that usually somebody I know can get me
almost anything I may want.

OTOH, except when he's away at a meeting, Al rarely takes more than 7-10
days to get an order back to me.

But I don't understand why anyone here should be imposing their desires
on the way someone like Martin does business. I frankly don't blame him
for wanting to stay off the web. I sometimes regret just getting on an
email list like this one when there's 30-40 messages to read each day and
I've got a set of X-23 patterns crying out to me to finish them. The
whole internet experience can be very intimidating for someone who's
never used it on a regular basis and has to start with a copy of
"Internet for Idiots!" I'd have no interest in doing it, but if someone
like Al enjoys playing with computers, and he certainly does, more power
to him. Also more megahertz and gigabytes, too. But who the heck are we
to demand that Martin Loftin get an internet site so that we won't be
inconvenienced by needing to pick up a phone and actually place a call to
a real live person.

GET A LIFE.

BSR




________________________________________________________________
GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO!
Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less!
Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit:
http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.


Re: Resinous thoughts

thompson@...
 

Tom Madden wrote:
...I hate to see someone making so much more money off of
these than Al did, with no more investment that tying up some money for a
few months, taking a couple of digital photos, and popping them on the web.
You forgot to mention that the guy died also. <g>

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 http://www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroads and on Western history


Re: Resinous thoughts

ted_culotta@...
 

--- In STMFC@y..., "Beckert, Shawn" <shawn.beckert@d...> wrote:
Surely Martin doesn't
rely on everyone else to do masters for him (does he?).

Shawn Beckert
Not for everything, but for some kits. Making the masters is the
surest way to see the project completed.


Re: Resin

Petschallies, Thorsten <Thorsten.Petschallies@...>
 

Hello STMFC-Enthusiast,
my main reason for biding for those kits, is that this is an easy way to
get them. I used to live on the other side of the (Atlantic) pond.
For those kits on ebay, I don't have to write a letter, add everything
together correct, add shipping charges and send it by mail, engage my
bank to advise a partnership bank in the US to sent a check over to
Sunshine. Than hoping that both do arrive, waiting, waiting, waiting,
... until one day hopefully a parcel will show up.

With these (e-bay) kits I can use a credit card. That makes things much
easier.

It would help me if Sunshine had a fax number for orders. Any thing is
better then writing letters.
And if they were processing credit cards, like Westerfield is doing for
long and Funaro & Camerlengo is doing according to their latest flyer.
I think, that would boost their business at least with me.

Regarding other artists/manufacturers, I did almost not bids for any
kits from F&C because they are easy to get, and they offer pretty good 2
for 1 or polybag deals on a lot of kits. The bids are often far above
their offers.
And they seem to willing to reproduce kits, they once did for other
vendors. A while back I asked for the B&M Stock Cars, they once did for
Yankee Clipper, and they were willing to run a batch and now they are
offered in their latest flyer. And other kits done by them for Steam
Shack, Yankee Clipper and Rutland Car Shops do show up as well.

The Westerfield e-bay offers do most of the time have cars in them, that
do not fit into my era. That stops me from biding. And I have an easy
well working way to order them from Westerfield. (Mr. Al Westerfield the
business with you is always pleasing. Thank you.)

Thank you for reading
Thorsten
Germany


Ertl gons - OOPS

John Nehrich <nehrij@...>
 

I think it was someone on this group, but I can't remember who, that I said
the Ertl gon must be based on the ACL car, as the MEC car had Dreadnaught
ends. I came across Chuck Yungkurth's article in RMC on these cars - I
remembered VERY incorrectly. The MEC gons DID NOT have Dreadnaught ends,
but similar horizontal added rib end like the ACL. The ACL car had a
fishbelly center sill. The MEC car and Ertl kit do not. Sorry. - John


Re: Resinous thoughts

Jeff Aley - GCD PE <jaley@...>
 

On Jun 7, 2:26pm, tgmadden wrote:

He's told me he just doesn't want to spend his time on
e-mail exchanges and all that goes with being on the internet.
I am reminded of the Cannon & Co. ad in the current RMC, which exhorts us
to, "Get off the internet and build a model!" [or something like that].

Regards,

-Jeff

--
Jeff Aley jaley@pcocd2.intel.com
DPG Chipsets Product Engineering
Intel Corporation, Folsom, CA
(916) 356-3533


Re: Resin

Jeff Aley - GCD PE <jaley@...>
 

On Jun 7, 12:39pm, Tim O'Connor wrote:
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Resin
Suppose I order a slow-moving kit? Martin probably doesn't want to make
a
single car just for me, so he cranks out 10 or 12 kits. Now he has an
inventory
problem! If people knew from the web site that a kit was available
immediately
would they be more likely to buy it (i.e. the impulse factor)?

Tim,

Isn't there another edge to that sword? In other words, isn't it
likely that people WON'T order items that are not in stock? This could
cause problems because then Martin would never know that people wanted the
item, since everyone is waiting for the website to show "in stock" before
they place their order.

Regards,

-Jeff


--
Jeff Aley jaley@pcocd2.intel.com
DPG Chipsets Product Engineering
Intel Corporation, Folsom, CA
(916) 356-3533


Re: Resin

Jeff Aley - GCD PE <jaley@...>
 

On Jun 7, 9:24am, Dave & Libby Nelson wrote:
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Resin
Which raises another question: why is some people (myself included) find
the
friction of using the postal service (e.g., writing the letter, licking
the
stamp, etc.) sufficently off-putting as to have prevented placing an
order
directly with either Al or Martin?
I don't know, but I'm one of them. I have no problem whipping out an
email message to whomever, but ask me to print it out and mail it as a
letter, and I won't do it. I'm glad to know that I'm not alone in my
psychosis.

Regards,

-Jeff

--
Jeff Aley jaley@pcocd2.intel.com
DPG Chipsets Product Engineering
Intel Corporation, Folsom, CA
(916) 356-3533


Re: Resinous thoughts

Shawn Beckert
 

Ted Culotta wrote:

I don't mean to be a smart ass, but Martin will
produce almost anything you want, if you make
the masters for him. Since it's wood, you might
also try AMB to see if they are interested. They
made a structure kit I wanted. All I had to do
was provide the plans.
Well......I can certainly provide photographs. I've
never seen plans for the SSW cabooses. And no way
am I capable of making masters! Surely Martin doesn't
rely on everyone else to do masters for him (does he?).

Shawn Beckert


Re: Resinous thoughts

ted_culotta@...
 

--- In STMFC@y..., "Beckert, Shawn" <shawn.beckert@d...> wrote:
Tom:

How open to suggestion is Martin on what kits he
chooses to produce? My reason for asking: I could
use quite a few of those Cotton Belt side-door
wooden cabooses that I despair of ever seeing in
styrene. I discovered at Pleasanton that Martin is
a closet SSW fan; do you think he might want to try
his hand at something like this?

Shawn Beckert
I don't mean to be a smart ass, but Martin will produce almost
anything you want, if you make the masters for him. Since it's wood,
you may also try AMB to see if they are interested. They made a
structure kit I wanted. All I had to do was provide the plans.

Ted


Re: Resin

ted_culotta@...
 

--- In STMFC@y..., "dixierails" <dixierails@a...> wrote:
Dave,
Could you provide me with an address and perhaps a phone number of
the
"Train Shop" and whether they have a mail order or phone order side
of their
business. I have a need for a dozen or so of Al's kits and I'd love
to find
somewhere that offered them at any size of a discount. Thanks.
Larry Sexton
408-296-1050. I assume that they do some sort of mail order since
most of the Gronski estate's Sunshine kits are from The Train Shop.
They DON'T stock Sunshine kits except for a few that end up on the
shelves when they happen to place customer orders. Also, if you
order Sunshine kits through The Train Shop, the lead times are just
as long as ordering yourself. However, you may avoid tax (weigh
against shipping) and if you prefer credit cards, you can use them.

Regards,
Ted

184281 - 184300 of 186232