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Re: Resin

byronrose@...
 

Is there a link or some easy way to get to this locale on ebay? It
usually takes me weeks to find this kind of stuff. HO brass is far
easier.

BSR

On Tue, 29 May 2001 16:56:35 -0700 (PDT) Jeff Aley - GCD PE
<jaley@pcocd2.intel.com> writes:
On May 26, 6:07pm, Jon Miller wrote:
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Resin
In case anyone is interested there is enough resin on ebay
right now
to
make everyone go broke!
Holy Cow! It says they're from an estate; who died?

And I thought I had a few unbuilt kits on the shelf...

Regards,

-Jeff

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Re: Accurail stock car

byronrose@...
 

On Tue, 29 May 2001 19:26:25 -0400 "Denis Blake"
<dblake3@columbus.rr.com> writes:
Dave

I have worked extensively with manufacturers. I was the
manufacturers
liaison for the acl & SAL H.S. for a number of years. I ran into
exactly
what you said. If it isn't Santa Fe, PRR, UP, etc. some
manufacturers had
or have no interest in it. However, for us who model the SE, things
have
changed. BTW, the acl was not an airline..is was a coast line, a
place
where water meets the sand. <G>


Denis F. Blake
Columbus, OH
TTHOTS
Denis,

Dave wasn't thinking of the Atlantic Coast Line Railroad when he wrote
that, he was thinking of the SAL which of course we all know is one of
those low cost airlines that flies up and down the east coast. You'll
have to forgive him.

BTW, where is that acl & SAL High School located?

Byron


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Re: Accurail stock car

byronrose@...
 

On Tue, 29 May 2001 17:15:15 -0400 "Denis Blake"
<dblake3@columbus.rr.com> writes:
John

It is my understanding that the Mantua gon is also a dead ringer for
an ACL gon as well.

Have any of you guys actually looked at a Mantua gon? Held one in your
very own hands? It just ain't worth the effort of trying to turn it into
a scale model.

The underframe on the model is cast entirely below the car sides, rather
than having the car sides flush with the bottom of the cross members and
the trucks kinda hunkering up into the car body. In other words the car
sits over a foot to high on its trucks. The only way to correct it is to
cut out the floor and recess it into the carbody, a job that I'd rank
well behind scratch building Nn3 live steamers. Then the ladders and
grabs and ends have to be rebuilt.

BSR
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Re: Accurail stock car

Dave & Libby Nelson <muskoka@...>
 

Yes, I know. I didn't think it was necessary to include *sarcasm on* as a
preface, tho perhaps I should have. And that other one you mentioned --
SAL -- that's the one that flew planes, right?

Dave Nelson

-----Original Message-----
From: Denis Blake [mailto:dblake3@columbus.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 4:26 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Accurail stock car


Dave

I have worked extensively with manufacturers. I was the manufacturers
liaison for the acl & SAL H.S. for a number of years. I ran into exactly
what you said. If it isn't Santa Fe, PRR, UP, etc. some manufacturers had
or have no interest in it. However, for us who model the SE, things have
changed. BTW, the acl was not an airline..is was a coast line, a place
where water meets the sand. <G>


Denis F. Blake
Columbus, OH
TTHOTS

Visit my photopoint site

http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=1621389&f=0
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave & Libby Nelson" <muskoka@ix.netcom.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 6:58 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Accurail stock car


Dennis, it wasn't Santa Fe. Won't sell more than 3 boxes otherwise.
Common
knowledge in the business. Foamers don't understand. Besides, who ever
heard of lettering a watermelon car for an airline anyway? Hmmm, UPS
tho....

Dave Nelson

-----Original Message-----
From: Denis Blake [mailto:dblake3@columbus.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 2:15 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Accurail stock car


John

It is my understanding that the Mantua gon is also a dead ringer
for an ACL
gon as well.

About the ConCor watermelon car. Several years ago when I was the
manufacturers liaison guy for the acl & SAL group I contact them and
asked
if they would consider doing the car in the "ONLY" correct scheme for
that
car. No market for that was the comment I got from them.

Similar comments have also come from Mantua with regard to the acl gon
as
well.

Denis F. Blake
Columbus, OH
TTHOTS

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Nehrich" <nehrij@rpi.edu>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Accurail stock car


My frustration was with such cars as the Mantua gon. Here is a
unique car,
not just another 40 foot steel gon in an ocean of 40 foot steel gons.
Based on an Erie car of the 1920's, it is almost as high as an
H21. Mantua
could do at least three schemes - original Erie, Erie with small
diamond and
Erie with diamond with the "Erie" in bigger lettering. I have to
check, but
they might also be able to do Erie-Lackawanna.

The AHM/Con-Cor watermelon car is available from Con-Cor, but it
seems the
ACL version is always unavailable. This is the only scheme
it is really
correct for. Again, there are several different ACL schemes for this
car
over the years that could be done, before expanding into the realm of
ridiculous.



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Re: Resin

Jeff Aley - GCD PE <jaley@...>
 

On May 26, 6:07pm, Jon Miller wrote:
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Resin
In case anyone is interested there is enough resin on ebay right now
to
make everyone go broke!
Holy Cow! It says they're from an estate; who died?

And I thought I had a few unbuilt kits on the shelf...

Regards,

-Jeff

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(916) 356-3533


Re: Accurail stock car

Denis Blake <dblake3@...>
 

Dave

I have worked extensively with manufacturers. I was the manufacturers
liaison for the acl & SAL H.S. for a number of years. I ran into exactly
what you said. If it isn't Santa Fe, PRR, UP, etc. some manufacturers had
or have no interest in it. However, for us who model the SE, things have
changed. BTW, the acl was not an airline..is was a coast line, a place
where water meets the sand. <G>


Denis F. Blake
Columbus, OH
TTHOTS

Visit my photopoint site

http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=1621389&f=0

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave & Libby Nelson" <muskoka@ix.netcom.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 6:58 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Accurail stock car


Dennis, it wasn't Santa Fe. Won't sell more than 3 boxes otherwise.
Common
knowledge in the business. Foamers don't understand. Besides, who ever
heard of lettering a watermelon car for an airline anyway? Hmmm, UPS
tho....

Dave Nelson

-----Original Message-----
From: Denis Blake [mailto:dblake3@columbus.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 2:15 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Accurail stock car


John

It is my understanding that the Mantua gon is also a dead ringer
for an ACL
gon as well.

About the ConCor watermelon car. Several years ago when I was the
manufacturers liaison guy for the acl & SAL group I contact them and
asked
if they would consider doing the car in the "ONLY" correct scheme for
that
car. No market for that was the comment I got from them.

Similar comments have also come from Mantua with regard to the acl gon
as
well.

Denis F. Blake
Columbus, OH
TTHOTS

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Nehrich" <nehrij@rpi.edu>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Accurail stock car


My frustration was with such cars as the Mantua gon. Here is a
unique car,
not just another 40 foot steel gon in an ocean of 40 foot steel gons.
Based on an Erie car of the 1920's, it is almost as high as an
H21. Mantua
could do at least three schemes - original Erie, Erie with small
diamond and
Erie with diamond with the "Erie" in bigger lettering. I have to
check, but
they might also be able to do Erie-Lackawanna.

The AHM/Con-Cor watermelon car is available from Con-Cor, but it
seems the
ACL version is always unavailable. This is the only scheme it is really
correct for. Again, there are several different ACL schemes for this
car
over the years that could be done, before expanding into the realm of
ridiculous.



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Re: Accurail stock car

Dave & Libby Nelson <muskoka@...>
 

Dennis, it wasn't Santa Fe. Won't sell more than 3 boxes otherwise. Common
knowledge in the business. Foamers don't understand. Besides, who ever
heard of lettering a watermelon car for an airline anyway? Hmmm, UPS
tho....

Dave Nelson

-----Original Message-----
From: Denis Blake [mailto:dblake3@columbus.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 2:15 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Accurail stock car


John

It is my understanding that the Mantua gon is also a dead ringer
for an ACL
gon as well.

About the ConCor watermelon car. Several years ago when I was the
manufacturers liaison guy for the acl & SAL group I contact them and asked
if they would consider doing the car in the "ONLY" correct scheme for that
car. No market for that was the comment I got from them.

Similar comments have also come from Mantua with regard to the acl gon as
well.

Denis F. Blake
Columbus, OH
TTHOTS

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Nehrich" <nehrij@rpi.edu>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Accurail stock car


My frustration was with such cars as the Mantua gon. Here is a
unique car,
not just another 40 foot steel gon in an ocean of 40 foot steel gons.
Based on an Erie car of the 1920's, it is almost as high as an
H21. Mantua
could do at least three schemes - original Erie, Erie with small
diamond and
Erie with diamond with the "Erie" in bigger lettering. I have to
check, but
they might also be able to do Erie-Lackawanna.

The AHM/Con-Cor watermelon car is available from Con-Cor, but it
seems the
ACL version is always unavailable. This is the only scheme it is really
correct for. Again, there are several different ACL schemes for this car
over the years that could be done, before expanding into the realm of
ridiculous.



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Re: Proto 2000 freight cars

dixierails <dixierails@...>
 

Bill,
Shame on you. It's probably just a rehash of "render unto Ceaser". I
understand the Chinese government is squeezing U.S. entrepreneurs a bit more
since the spy plane fiasco and the proposed sale of military equipment to
Tiawan. I rather like their prices and have stocked up on dozens of their
models just for kit bashing. There are lots of cars that can be made if you
want to cut and paste.
Larry Sexton

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Welch" <bwelch@uucf.org>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 10:06 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Proto 2000 freight cars


Life Like does not intend to do any more new freight cars. Apparently the
new owners feel the profits that the freight cars generate have not been
enough. Frankly I have thought their kits to be underpriced and will write a
letter to that effect soon.


Howe/Pratt

Mike Calvert
 

This works for me- a nice simple picture.
http://www.ce.ufl.edu/activities/trusslab/sample.html

Mike Calvert


Re: Accurail stock car

Denis Blake <dblake3@...>
 

John

Oh, I have photo's as well. It seems to me that one or two of the acl
subsidiary roads also had them as well. I can look up this information in
my files for you.

Denis F. Blake
Columbus, OH
TTHOTS

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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Nehrich" <nehrij@rpi.edu>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Accurail stock car


Denis - Do you have more particulars on the ACL gon? - John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Denis Blake" <dblake3@columbus.rr.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Accurail stock car


John

It is my understanding that the Mantua gon is also a dead ringer for an
ACL
gon as well.

About the ConCor watermelon car. Several years ago when I was the
manufacturers liaison guy for the acl & SAL group I contact them and
asked
if they would consider doing the car in the "ONLY" correct scheme for
that
car. No market for that was the comment I got from them.

Similar comments have also come from Mantua with regard to the acl gon
as
well.

Denis F. Blake
Columbus, OH
TTHOTS

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Nehrich" <nehrij@rpi.edu>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Accurail stock car


My frustration was with such cars as the Mantua gon. Here is a unique
car,
not just another 40 foot steel gon in an ocean of 40 foot steel gons.
Based on an Erie car of the 1920's, it is almost as high as an H21.
Mantua
could do at least three schemes - original Erie, Erie with small diamond
and
Erie with diamond with the "Erie" in bigger lettering. I have to check,
but
they might also be able to do Erie-Lackawanna.

The AHM/Con-Cor watermelon car is available from Con-Cor, but it seems
the
ACL version is always unavailable. This is the only scheme it is really
correct for. Again, there are several different ACL schemes for this
car
over the years that could be done, before expanding into the realm of
ridiculous.



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Re: Accurail stock car

John Nehrich <nehrij@...>
 

Denis - Do you have more particulars on the ACL gon? - John

----- Original Message -----
From: "Denis Blake" <dblake3@columbus.rr.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Accurail stock car


John

It is my understanding that the Mantua gon is also a dead ringer for an
ACL
gon as well.

About the ConCor watermelon car. Several years ago when I was the
manufacturers liaison guy for the acl & SAL group I contact them and asked
if they would consider doing the car in the "ONLY" correct scheme for that
car. No market for that was the comment I got from them.

Similar comments have also come from Mantua with regard to the acl gon as
well.

Denis F. Blake
Columbus, OH
TTHOTS

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Nehrich" <nehrij@rpi.edu>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Accurail stock car


My frustration was with such cars as the Mantua gon. Here is a unique
car,
not just another 40 foot steel gon in an ocean of 40 foot steel gons.
Based on an Erie car of the 1920's, it is almost as high as an H21.
Mantua
could do at least three schemes - original Erie, Erie with small diamond
and
Erie with diamond with the "Erie" in bigger lettering. I have to check,
but
they might also be able to do Erie-Lackawanna.

The AHM/Con-Cor watermelon car is available from Con-Cor, but it seems
the
ACL version is always unavailable. This is the only scheme it is really
correct for. Again, there are several different ACL schemes for this car
over the years that could be done, before expanding into the realm of
ridiculous.



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Re: Accurail stock car

Denis Blake <dblake3@...>
 

John

I have data drawings for that car if you would like to see them. Let me
know.

Denis F. Blake
Columbus, OH
TTHOTS

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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Nehrich" <nehrij@rpi.edu>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Accurail stock car


Denis - Do you have more particulars on the ACL gon? - John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Denis Blake" <dblake3@columbus.rr.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Accurail stock car


John

It is my understanding that the Mantua gon is also a dead ringer for an
ACL
gon as well.

About the ConCor watermelon car. Several years ago when I was the
manufacturers liaison guy for the acl & SAL group I contact them and
asked
if they would consider doing the car in the "ONLY" correct scheme for
that
car. No market for that was the comment I got from them.

Similar comments have also come from Mantua with regard to the acl gon
as
well.

Denis F. Blake
Columbus, OH
TTHOTS

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Nehrich" <nehrij@rpi.edu>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Accurail stock car


My frustration was with such cars as the Mantua gon. Here is a unique
car,
not just another 40 foot steel gon in an ocean of 40 foot steel gons.
Based on an Erie car of the 1920's, it is almost as high as an H21.
Mantua
could do at least three schemes - original Erie, Erie with small diamond
and
Erie with diamond with the "Erie" in bigger lettering. I have to check,
but
they might also be able to do Erie-Lackawanna.

The AHM/Con-Cor watermelon car is available from Con-Cor, but it seems
the
ACL version is always unavailable. This is the only scheme it is really
correct for. Again, there are several different ACL schemes for this
car
over the years that could be done, before expanding into the realm of
ridiculous.



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Re: Accurail stock car

Denis Blake <dblake3@...>
 

John

It is my understanding that the Mantua gon is also a dead ringer for an ACL
gon as well.

About the ConCor watermelon car. Several years ago when I was the
manufacturers liaison guy for the acl & SAL group I contact them and asked
if they would consider doing the car in the "ONLY" correct scheme for that
car. No market for that was the comment I got from them.

Similar comments have also come from Mantua with regard to the acl gon as
well.

Denis F. Blake
Columbus, OH
TTHOTS

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Nehrich" <nehrij@rpi.edu>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Accurail stock car


My frustration was with such cars as the Mantua gon. Here is a unique car,
not just another 40 foot steel gon in an ocean of 40 foot steel gons.
Based on an Erie car of the 1920's, it is almost as high as an H21. Mantua
could do at least three schemes - original Erie, Erie with small diamond and
Erie with diamond with the "Erie" in bigger lettering. I have to check, but
they might also be able to do Erie-Lackawanna.

The AHM/Con-Cor watermelon car is available from Con-Cor, but it seems the
ACL version is always unavailable. This is the only scheme it is really
correct for. Again, there are several different ACL schemes for this car
over the years that could be done, before expanding into the realm of
ridiculous.


Re: Accurail stock car

John Nehrich <nehrij@...>
 

Clark - I really wasn't referring to someone like Bowser who produces a
number of valid schemes. I'm not frustrated that a manufacturer doesn't get
around to producing every single variation, and certainly they have to make
decisions as to which schemes are going to sell or even which ones they like
better than other ones.
My frustration was with such cars as the Mantua gon. Here is a unique
car, not just another 40 foot steel gon in an ocean of 40 foot steel gons.
Based on an Erie car of the 1920's, it is almost as high as an H21. Mantua
could do at least three schemes - original Erie, Erie with small diamond and
Erie with diamond with the "Erie" in bigger lettering. I have to check, but
they might also be able to do Erie-Lackawanna. People could appreciate the
car as a unique piece of rolling stock, that they would need to add variety
to their fleet. If a large number of people each buy one, this might be
commercially better than a few train set buyers buying three or four.
Then if they feel they need to do other schemes, they might choose ones
close to this, from the 1920's. And they could market them as "Erie Gon
lettered for . . ." (I'm assuming an ideal world here).
Similarly, the Bachmann Pullman could be lettered for generic Pullman,
with just the car name, so that it could run on anyone's layout. If they
did three or four car names, all lettered Pullman, they could get more use
out of the car. I e-mailed them about this and they didn't even seem to
understand the concept.
By the way, neither the Pullman or the gon are available undec. I have
some Model Power old-time coaches that I would love to splice together to
make a longer coach, but I simply can not get the paint off. I tried to
strip one Pullman, but left the diaphragms on. Being rubber, they absorbed
the fluid, swelled and cracked the ends.
The AHM/Con-Cor watermelon car is available from Con-Cor, but it seems
the ACL version is always unavailable. This is the only scheme it is really
correct for. Again, there are several different ACL schemes for this car
over the years that could be done, before expanding into the realm of
ridiculous.
I know there are others, but these are what come readily to mind. -
John

----- Original Message -----
From: "Clark Propst" <cepropst@rconnect.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 9:33 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Accurail stock car




John Nehrich wrote:
I get so frustrated when a manufacturer doesn't
produce the paint schemes that ARE accurate for the kit

John,
I wrote to Lee English of Bowser Trains to find out what he needed to
produce a covered hopper kit (M&StL of course). He said he would like a
stencil diagram or at least some photos. I sent him a stencil diagram
(included correct numbers) and a builders photo. When he recently
announced a new batch of road names my choice was not included. I wrote
to him again to see if there was anything else he needed. His answer was
that he just produces the roadnames he likes at the time and maybe he
would do the M&StL car next time!
Clark



----- Original Message -----
From: "Clark Propst" <cepropst@rconnect.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Accurail stock car


Thanks John,
I understand the reasons manufactures use to produce bunch of paint
schemes. But, what always gripes me is, I want to know which one or
ones
are right. Then I can purchase them if I choose and leave the rest.
Clark
PS - I have slides of the GN cars I took at Brainerd MN in the late
70's.
John Nehrich wrote:

Clark - I've posted all the information I have on the various
schemes
that
Accurail is doing, at:

tp://www.union.rpi.edu/railroad/images/rolling-stock/Kits/Accurail-stock-c


ar-kits.html#SM
In some cases, without car numbers, I'm assuming what they are
trying
to
represent. I'm always wary of stating such and such didn't exist
and
finding out it may be true for another era, or for a short time in
between
one pair of ORER's or whatever. But at least on the web, the
changes
are
easy to make, when someone sends corrections or additions. -
John


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Re: Proto 2000 freight cars

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
 

Off hand, I cannot think of anything specific that's not already done (I'm
assuming Branchline will some day get some mfg capacity and we'll see the
1944 boxcars in the 40' style). I suppose there is a hopper or two that
might fit and no doubt an insulated tank car can be found in 6 names. Any
pre '55 cars you can think of that fit the model?
AAR alternate standard 55 ton offset side hopper -- DESPERATELY needed!

A Pullman Standard 2893 cubic foot covered hopper. Built 1954 to about 1959.
MANY paint schemes (i.e. at least 4 dozen). And also the PS2SD 3215, which
adds about 3 dozen more schemes and covers 1959 - 1963. I sure wish that
P2K had done the 2893 rather than the PS2CD 4427.

40 foot 6' plug door ice reefer, circa 1950-1955. Owners PFE, FGE, WFE,
BAR, ART, multiple lessee schemes...

LP gas [ICC 105] cars (the one Bill Welch mentioned) -- lots of owners and
paint schemes from 1930 to the 1970's.

A General American prototype 8,000 and/or 10,000 gallon tank car. Possibly
an insulated or pressure car to distinguish from all the 103's on the market. Put
a nice walkway around the dome; they'll go like hotcakes at a church breakfast.

A GOOD model of the PRR X31/X32 family. There are so many paint schemes
for these it isn't funny -- wouldn't the RTR market snap these up?? As Tony T
likes to say, -every- steam/transition era modeler is a PRR modeler.

A 125 ton depressed center, General Steel Castings flat car. MANY owners
and the cars are good from the 1940's to the present day. Throw in a good
looking load and the RTR market will snap them up.


Re: Proto 2000 freight cars

Dave & Libby Nelson <muskoka@...>
 

Yes John, but every one you cite has been done in resin so at least some
portion of the potential market demand has been filled (tho I admit many are
bought and not built -- there's some unassembled RPI kits on ebay right now
for instance). Can you think of any car bodies not done at all?

Dave Nelson

-----Original Message-----
From: John Nehrich [mailto:nehrij@rpi.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 1:23 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Proto 2000 freight cars


Dave - I can think of so many prototypes that fit what you think is
Life-Like's market plan - the War Emergency box car, the Mather Patent box
car, the ARA single-sheathed Howe truss variant, the NYC/USRA
steel box car,
the USRA 70 ton steel gon clone, and on and on and on. - John


Re: Proto 2000 freight cars

tgmadden@...
 

--- In STMFC@y..., "Bill Welch" <bwelch@u...> wrote:
I have heard from two different people living in two different
parts of the country familiar with the industry/hobby that Life Like
does not intend to do any more new freight cars. Apparently the new
owners feel the profits that the freight cars generate have not been
enough. Frankly I have thought their kits to be underpriced and will
write a letter to that effect soon.

Dean Lewis reported on the Passenger Car List yesterday that the
Proto2000 web site had been hacked. Don't suppose this could be
related to the story???

Tom


Canton Tank Car

John Nehrich <nehrij@...>
 

In '40, Canton was listed under General American's listing. By '49, they
were totally gone, as well as their reporting marks. Can anyone narrow the
date down a little more? - John Nehrich


Re: Proto 2000 freight cars

John Nehrich <nehrij@...>
 

Dave - I can think of so many prototypes that fit what you think is
Life-Like's market plan - the War Emergency box car, the Mather Patent box
car, the ARA single-sheathed Howe truss variant, the NYC/USRA steel box car,
the USRA 70 ton steel gon clone, and on and on and on. - John

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave & Libby Nelson" <muskoka@ix.netcom.com>
).

Off hand, I cannot think of anything specific that's not already done (I'm
assuming Branchline will some day get some mfg capacity and we'll see the
1944 boxcars in the 40' style). I suppose there is a hopper or two that
might fit and no doubt an insulated tank car can be found in 6 names. Any
pre '55 cars you can think of that fit the model?

Dave Nelson


Re: Proto 2000 freight cars

Dave & Libby Nelson <muskoka@...>
 

Tim, has Walthers deceided to tool some freight cars? ;-)

Seriously tho, if you think about the business model P2K is reported to be
following (6-8 well documented roadnames owning identical to very slightly
varying well documented car bodies) they've already plucked most, if not
all, of the low hanging, sellable fruit.

I was hoping they might do Hart Ballast Hoppers and/or 70 ton AAR flats
(both qualify under the well-documented part of the business model
criteria).

Off hand, I cannot think of anything specific that's not already done (I'm
assuming Branchline will some day get some mfg capacity and we'll see the
1944 boxcars in the 40' style). I suppose there is a hopper or two that
might fit and no doubt an insulated tank car can be found in 6 names. Any
pre '55 cars you can think of that fit the model?

Dave Nelson

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor [mailto:timoconnor@mediaone.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 9:45 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Proto 2000 freight cars


"New owners" of Life-Like? Can you tell us more about that?

I would not put TOO much stock in this rumor (and that's what it
is). Business
decisions are subject to change without notice, and a decision
today to exit the
freight car business can be revoked tomorrow.

When Athearn was taken over, there was a lot of talk about it
being run into the
ground etc. Instead, we got the Genesis line, and a rebirth of
Athearn as a top of
the line quality vendor.

No one would be happier to see Proto-2000 exit the freight car
business than
Red Caboose, Intermountain, Branchline, and Walthers!!! I
guarantee you that
nature (and business) abhors a vacuum.

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