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Accurail Stock Car

Clark Propst <cepropst@...>
 

Was thumbing through the July RMC (isn't still May?) at the hobby shop
and saw an Accurail add for a stock car. Is there a prototype for this
car?
It looks to me that by replacing the roof and doors on the new IM CN
box car you can make a CB&Q X32A there were 2000 built in '47. Anyway, I
hope so because I just ordered an undec. I have the diaginal panel panel
roof and improved Youngstown doors. The ERIE car I asked about was
10'4"IH.
Clark


Re: Howe & Pratt truss boxcars

John Nehrich <nehrij@...>
 

Tom - That sounds right. Or you can just keep going to our glossery
(http://www.union.rpi.edu/railroad/images/Glossary/Glossary-H.html) where I
posted a description and photo after you asked the question. - John

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To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Howe & Pratt truss boxcars


Richard Stallworth wrote:
Can somebody tell me the differences between Howe and Pratt truss
boxcars?
then John Nehrich <nehrij@rpi.edu> wrote:
Richard - A Howe has the diagonals pointing to the bottom of the
door, the Pratt has them pointing to the top. I think of a hammock,
a sort of "V" shape, where the fabric is in tension, for a Howe. A
Pratt is like the cross section of a sawhorse, like an "A". The legs
are in compression. On a box car (or bridge) there are times the
members have their stresses reversed, and a box car has to also
withstand bulging pressures.
At one time, I used to classify single-sheathed box cars as "M"
or "W" for the orientation of the diagonals, but then found that not
everyone saw the letters the same way, and their "M" was my "W".
So let me see if I got this right:

If you were to continue the diagonal lines of a PRATT truss, the
lines from each side would meet above the car. The beams would
form an A shape, like the A in PRATT.

If you were to continue the diagonal lines of a HOWE truss, the
lines from each side would meet below the car. (And "Howe" would
the beams ever meet, below ground like that?)

If I got that memory device backward, please let me know quickly!

- Tom "Spring ahead, Fall back" Gloger


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Re: Howe & Pratt truss boxcars

Tom Gloger
 

Richard Stallworth wrote:
Can somebody tell me the differences between Howe and Pratt truss
boxcars?
then John Nehrich <nehrij@rpi.edu> wrote:
Richard - A Howe has the diagonals pointing to the bottom of the
door, the Pratt has them pointing to the top. I think of a hammock,
a sort of "V" shape, where the fabric is in tension, for a Howe. A
Pratt is like the cross section of a sawhorse, like an "A". The legs
are in compression. On a box car (or bridge) there are times the
members have their stresses reversed, and a box car has to also
withstand bulging pressures.
At one time, I used to classify single-sheathed box cars as "M"
or "W" for the orientation of the diagonals, but then found that not
everyone saw the letters the same way, and their "M" was my "W".
So let me see if I got this right:

If you were to continue the diagonal lines of a PRATT truss, the
lines from each side would meet above the car. The beams would
form an A shape, like the A in PRATT.

If you were to continue the diagonal lines of a HOWE truss, the
lines from each side would meet below the car. (And "Howe" would
the beams ever meet, below ground like that?)

If I got that memory device backward, please let me know quickly!

- Tom "Spring ahead, Fall back" Gloger


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Re: Howe & Pratt truss boxcars

John Nehrich <nehrij@...>
 

Richard - A Howe has the diagonals pointing to the bottom of the door, the
Pratt has them pointing to the top. I think of a hammock, a sort of "V"
shape, where the fabric is in tension, for a Howe. A Pratt is like the
cross section of a sawhorse, like an "A". The legs are in compression. On
a box car (or bridge) there are times the members have their stresses
reversed, and a box car has to also withstand bulging pressures.
At one time, I used to classify single-sheathed box cars as "M" or "W"
for the orientation of the diagonals, but then found that not everyone saw
the letters the same way, and their "M" was my "W".
- John

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Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 10:53 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Howe & Pratt truss boxcars


Can somebody tell me the differences between Howe and Pratt truss
boxcars? I guess this is a basic question, but I'm not sure I know
all the exact differences. Thank you!

Richard Stallworth
SEABAORD AIR LINE...THROUGH THE HEART OF THE SOUTH



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Re: Tank Car Photo Uploaded

dixierails <dixierails@...>
 

Sorry Charlie,
I sent a reply acknowledging receipt, but it may have been one of several
that were returned for various reasons. I do appreciate getting them. They
take a while to down load and open, but it's a good article. The
measurements are not in scale, rather they were in inches, ie diameter =
1 5/16" and length = 5 1/4". Not the actual deminsions, just examples. Again
Thanks.
Larry Sexton

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlie Morrill" <badlands@nts-online.net>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 8:16 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Tank Car Photo Uploaded


Charlie D ----- I did send Larry the jpgs of the pages, but have not heard
whether he got them or was able to use. The Texaco tank car article
described how to scratch build tank cars (1940s methods) with drawings and
included a couple prototype photos.
Charlie M


Re: Tank Car Photo Uploaded

Charlie Morrill <badlands@...>
 

Charlie D ----- I did send Larry the jpgs of the pages, but have not heard
whether he got them or was able to use. The Texaco tank car article
described how to scratch build tank cars (1940s methods) with drawings and
included a couple prototype photos.
Charlie M

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To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 8:30 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Tank Car Photo Uploaded


Larry,

I came across this message that you sent to a different "Charlie" and was
wondering if you received the copies you requested. I was wondering what
this Texaco article contained.

Best wishes,

Charlie

Charles Dean
Shelbyville, Ky.

In a message dated Sun, 29 Apr 2001 10:28:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
"dixierails" <dixierails@artddc.net> writes:

<< Charlie,
Is there any chance I could get you to copy that article on the Texaco
tankcar for me. I'd be more than happy to pay costs involved. I've been
trying to find a copy of the book for several years. Thanks.
Larry Sexton
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlie Morrill" <badlands@nts-online.net>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 8:52 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Tank Car Photo Uploaded

The old Kalmbach book "How To Build Railroad Models" had a chapter on
building a Texaco tank car with the oversized dome. A photo of TCX 6811
was
in the book.
Charlie


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Re: Wabash 40 Single Sheathed automobile box car

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Mike,

Are you looking for photos of the NP boxcars, or for the pig palace
stock cars? If the latter, two photos were among those stock cars
referenced in this group a couple of weeks ago. The link still works:


http://community-2.webtv.net/@HH!C9!EF!A2C637F7DAB0/priscillafink/doc2/

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Michael WWW Seitz wrote:


Gents:

The NP also had a series of radial roof double door 40' cars built in
1929, but without the full end door. The NP had two series of cars,
8000-8099, and 8100-8199 (built in two lots). One or both series had
3-3-3 Dreadnaught ends, with the A end having a 1'x 1'6" lumber door.
According to the 1953 ORER, 96 cars survived in the 8000-8099 series
while 98 survived in the 8100-8199 series. Surviving cars were rebuilt
into 40' Pig Palace cars of the 84000-84188 series somewhere in the late
50's. I've only seen ONE photo of these cars (accompanying a model
entry--which was kitbashed from the MDC car).
Any idea where I could find a photo one of these, as I would like to try
this kitbash or have a better idea if it would work.


Howe & Pratt truss boxcars

ThisIsR@...
 

Can somebody tell me the differences between Howe and Pratt truss
boxcars? I guess this is a basic question, but I'm not sure I know
all the exact differences. Thank you!

Richard Stallworth
SEABAORD AIR LINE...THROUGH THE HEART OF THE SOUTH


Re: Wabash 40 Single Sheathed automobile box car

mikefrommontanan
 

Gents:

The NP also had a series of radial roof double door 40' cars built in
1929, but without the full end door. The NP had two series of cars,
8000-8099, and 8100-8199 (built in two lots). One or both series had
3-3-3 Dreadnaught ends, with the A end having a 1'x 1'6" lumber door.
According to the 1953 ORER, 96 cars survived in the 8000-8099 series
while 98 survived in the 8100-8199 series. Surviving cars were rebuilt
into 40' Pig Palace cars of the 84000-84188 series somewhere in the late
50's. I've only seen ONE photo of these cars (accompanying a model
entry--which was kitbashed from the MDC car).
Any idea where I could find a photo one of these, as I would like to try
this kitbash or have a better idea if it would work.

Michael Seitz
Missoula MT


Message: 17
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 13:12:58 -0700
From: Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@opendoor.com>
Subject: Re: Wabash single sheathed automobile box car

John Nehrich wrote:

The MDC 50 foot single-sheathed box cars can be cut down easily to
40
footers, which would get you a Wabash car, at least for the time
being. You
have to cut the roof off first, cut the ends free, and cut out a
side panel
on each side of the door. The radial roof of the MDC kit means
that only
the Wabash car is a match when cut down to 40 feet, unless you
substitute a
new roof.
Not entirely true. The C&EI 4000-4299 series auto cars were very
similar
to the Wabash cars, including their radial steel roofs. However,
cutting
down the MDC 50' car as John describes only removes a bit less than
8' from
the length of the car body, leaving a body that's more than 43' long
overall. Admittedly, a discrepancy of two feet in overall length
isn't
much. But if F&C is going to reissue the Wabash model with a one
piece
body, it might be preferable to use that kit for both the Wabash and
C&EI
prototypes.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: NYC Equipment Preferences (was AAR boxcar details)

Jeff English
 

Earl Tuson wrote:

NYC 162000-163999
Lot 743-B; hand brakes: photo of 163671 ca.1959 - hard to tell but
is definitely the same as 163819 ca.1965, which might be a
Universal. Not visible in builder's photos of 163687 & 163695.
Running boards not visible in any photos. Trucks same as Lot 759-
B, see below.

NYC 164000-164999
Lot 759-B; trucks are AAR-type, no spring plank and definitely have
friction wedges such as ASF Ride Control. I can't read the
markings cast in, no matter how much magnification. Hand brakes
and running boards not visible in builder's photos of 164203 and
164204.

NYC 165000-165999
Lot 763-B; trucks hard to identify in any photos beyond the fact
that they are AAR cast-steel trucks; can't even see the friction
wedges, but I imagine they're there. 3 photos, including builder's
photo of B-end, clearly show Klasing hand brake. Photo of 165899
circa 1952 looks like it moght be a Morton, but nothing conclusive.

NYC 166000-166999 (AAR?)
Lot 764-B; all in builder's photo of 166539: trucks again are hard to
identify, but I can see the friction wedges. Hand brake is
unambiguously Ajax, and the running board looks like it might be
USG expanded metal, but only a guess.

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Proto:64 Classic Era Railroad Modeling
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IM CN BC

Clark Propst <cepropst@...>
 

The local hobby shop just got in the new Intermountian CN box car. It
has a reweigh date of '61. The ends of the car look familiar, I'm
thinking they can be used on other IM bodies. Off the top of my head I'm
thinking CB&Q and ERIE. Would I be right?
Clark


Billboard reefers

Clark Propst <cepropst@...>
 

I when to pickup my copies of the local billboard reefers for Terry
Harrison at the library achieves. He didn't have them printed, but they
are in a jpeg file called - photographes&#92; Propst&#92;Wrightcoll. Terry
wanted me to remind anyone he hasn't gotten back to, to keep reminding
him of what you want.
Clark


Re: Hopper Photos

Clark Propst <cepropst@...>
 

I have recently reached Mark at - Mark E Vaughan@notes.ntrs.com
Clark

Dave & Libby Nelson wrote:

I have an old e-mail address for Mark, it's VAUGHAN.MARK@ntrs.com

Mark had shared w/ me some H.H. Copeland info from NWU.

Dave Nelson

-----Original Message-----
From: fwj@mail.fwi.com [mailto:fwj@mail.fwi.com]
The Wabash Historical Society (Mark Vaughn?) did a whole issue on
Wabash hopper cars a few years ago including photos of the cars you
are referring to. Send me an email if you're still interested.
Victor Baird

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Re: Hopper Photos

Dave & Libby Nelson <muskoka@...>
 

I have an old e-mail address for Mark, it's VAUGHAN.MARK@ntrs.com

Mark had shared w/ me some H.H. Copeland info from NWU.

Dave Nelson

-----Original Message-----
From: fwj@mail.fwi.com [mailto:fwj@mail.fwi.com]
The Wabash Historical Society (Mark Vaughn?) did a whole issue on
Wabash hopper cars a few years ago including photos of the cars you
are referring to. Send me an email if you're still interested.
Victor Baird


Re: Hopper Photos

fwj@...
 

--- In STMFC@y..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@o...> wrote:
Bet you never thought I'd be asking for prototype data on hopper
cars. But
it's not for me personally. However, I would very much like to
track down
photos of Wabash and GM&O (ex-Alton) war emergency twin hopper cars
showing
how they were lettered after they were rebuilt with steel sheathing
in the
late 1950s. Anybody have any ideas about where such photos might
be found?

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520
Richard:
Being a new member to this group and a Wabash modeler, I was perusing
the archives:

The Wabash Historical Society (Mark Vaughn?) did a whole issue on
Wabash hopper cars a few years ago including photos of the cars you
are referring to. Send me an email if you're still interested.
Victor Baird


Fitzhugh-Luther cars

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Dear friends,

Has anyone here ever heard of the Fitzhugh-Luther Co.? Kyle Williams
Wyatt of the CSRM tells me they were based in Chicago or St. Louis
around beginning of the 20th century. They were primarily a broker and
rebuilder for used freight cars, but apparently built some cars new as
well. They supplied the Northern Electric Railway (of California, not
Pennsylvania; later became the Sacramento Northern Railway) with 50 36'
boxcars and 162 40' flat cars in 1907. Kyle's information suggests these
cars might not have been new as most authorities suggest. I would be
interested to know if any F-L records still exist, perhaps among the
archives of a successor company.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff


Re: Accurail -- is this for real?

Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. <smithbf@...>
 

Byron said:

Bruce,

How about an accurate H21 hopper to go with those H31s?
You'll notice I didn't call the Bowser H21 "accurate" now did I?<G>.
Bowser is the Pennsy modeler's ball and chain...we are at once blessed and
cursed...

Oh wait a minute, I still have some Westerfield kits.
Hard way to build a fleet though eh? The re-issue of one piece bodies may
help (don't know if the H21 is coming that way soon or not), but frankly, I
find them more difficult WRT placing grabs etc than the old flat kits.

Happy Rails
Bruce


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Re: Tank Car Photo Uploaded

n40015@...
 

Larry,

I came across this message that you sent to a different "Charlie" and was wondering if you received the copies you requested. I was wondering what this Texaco article contained.

Best wishes,

Charlie

Charles Dean
Shelbyville, Ky.

In a message dated Sun, 29 Apr 2001 10:28:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "dixierails" <dixierails@artddc.net> writes:

<< Charlie,
Is there any chance I could get you to copy that article on the Texaco
tankcar for me. I'd be more than happy to pay costs involved. I've been
trying to find a copy of the book for several years. Thanks.
Larry Sexton
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlie Morrill" <badlands@nts-online.net>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 8:52 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Tank Car Photo Uploaded

The old Kalmbach book "How To Build Railroad Models" had a chapter on
building a Texaco tank car with the oversized dome. A photo of TCX 6811
was
in the book.
Charlie


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Re: Accurail -- is this for real?

byronrose@...
 

Bruce,

How about an accurate H21 hopper to go with those H31s?

Oh wait a minute, I still have some Westerfield kits.

BSR

On Wed, 23 May 2001 11:20:23 -0500 "Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D."
<smithbf@mail.auburn.edu> writes:
http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/112-2702

Is Accurail really doing a unique PRR prototype hopper?
Wow!! An H31b! Way cool (drool, slobber, etc)...Only problem is
that this
is a "minor" class on the PRR, of 500 cars. The H31 was steel twin
hopper,
followed by the one of a kind H31a, which was composite. The H31b
followed
shortly thereafter, and H31b were converted to H31c (all steel) as
follows:

H31b H31c
492 5 April '52
266 225 Oct '53
12 482 Oct '58
12 475 Oct '63
3 276 April '68

How's about an accurate H25 hopper to go with all those Bowser H21s?

Happy Rails
Bruce

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UP's HK-50-5

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

The UP War Emergency cars of this type were ballast
cars, not standard hoppers.
Coincidentally, I was looking at the P2K War Emergency to see how closely
the body matched the UP HK-50-5 ballast car and it came rather close. Only
good in horse shoes and grenades, of course. When viewed from the side, the
slope to the end is different, the UP car showing a larger angle from the
bottom of the side thus producing a shorter end piece that is perpendicular
to the rails. Too bad...I was actually thinking of bashing a
bottom...desparate as we UP guys are for a hopper car. Use the ECW N&W
H2a?.............probably not...

Mike Brock

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