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Re: Prototype Rails

billd@...
 

Richard,

While I would tend to agree with you about the ChinaKits, I
just checked out the eBay listing of the Storzek Soo Line
boxcar kit. Somebody out there is willing to spend $31.00
(at last check) for an unbuilt kit (makes me wish I had
bought more of these...I managed to glom onto one a few
years ago). But, then it might be a "collector" who wouldn't
know to assemble an Athearn kit :-P

I just checked it out again...somebody else now has bid it
up to 33 bucks and change. And those decals are grungy!

Bill Daniels
Tucson, AZ


Rock Island / Wabash 2-Bay Hoppers

golden1014
 

Brothers,

I'm in need of some information on Rock Island and Wabash 2-bay hoppers. Can you guys help out?

First, I know RI had offset cars but I need help finding good photos of the cars ca. 1950. Did they have ribbed cars (like/close to the Accurail model)? I'm also wondering about Wabash cars; I know they had ribbed cars but did they have offset cars as well? Thanks in advance for the help, guys!

Yours,

John Golden



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Re: Wabash gon 13500-14849 series

Richard Hendrickson
 

John Nehrich inquired:

In the Jan. '90 RMJ, there was a photo story on a c. 1953 freight train,
which included a Wabash 10 panel gon. Any information on how it was made
(kitbashed from the MDC gon?) and the prototype? - John
That was (is) my model, John, and it was, as you inferred, kitbashed from
an MDC gondola model by replacing the ends (as best I can recall, I used
sections of Dreadnaught ends from a cannibalized Athearn box car) reworking
the underframe, and fitting free standing wire grabs, steps, etc. It was
based on a Howard Ameling photo which I'm attaching as a JPEG.

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Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Prototype Rails

Richard Hendrickson
 

Tony Thompson wrote, regarding his Pennsy freight car clinic:

Bill, the clinic is perfectly serious in trying to identify the various
"signature" Pennsy cars that a modeler needs to include on a non-Pennsy
layout, and how to model them (today we have kits for practically all we
need, in HO anyway). I put together the talk after researching the topic
for my OWN layout.
Haven't heard from Richard about his doing the talk...<grin>
Right. And you won't hear from me in the future, either. Aside from other
considerations, I have yet to be convinced that one can, in fact, address
the subject of PRR freight cars without suffering brain damage (or that
Thompson has, in fact, done so).

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Harbor Tank Line

Richard Hendrickson
 

John Nehrich asked:

Was Harbor Tank Line a subsidiary of Haffner-Thrall (which went on to become
Thrall)? The reporting marks ("HTCX") could also stand for Haffner-Thrall
Company, and in 1940, W.C. Haffner was president of Harbor.
Haffner seems to have had an interest in a number of different tank car
companies, including Harbor Tank Line, though it's never been clear to me
how they were related to each other (which shell was the pea under)? I've
speculated, though I don't know for sure, that Haffner was also involved in
some way with the John H. Grace Co. of Chicago and its subsidiary the
Duredo Co.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Prototype Rails

Richard Hendrickson
 

Byron Rose wrote last week, in response to my post about Westrail kits:

...in the early 80s people thought any kit with more than 10 parts,
including trucks and couplers, was "unbuildable," therefore "unbuyable"!
Most of them still do. But it's no longer an issue since the Chinese are
now happy to assemble all our kits for us. Earlier today I was talking via
phone with one of the more highly regarded manufacturers who reports that
he sells ten built-up freight car models for every kit. Soon the North
American market will be like the continental European market: no rolling
stock kits at all, just high quality (and costly) RTR models.

But the Trains Miniature kits are still the ones bringing the big bucks,
probably because people want an "outside braced box car" kit to paint and
letter as an ATSF Bx-12. I believe that attitude is based on an article
by some since unheard from hack writer in a now lamented Santa Fe
magazine dedicated to accurate modeling, which should not be forgotten in
this wave of nostalgia for the roots of "our" origins.
Not sure what Byron is referring to here; I can't recall any such article.
Perhaps he will enlighten us. No point in writing insults, Byron, if no
one knows who you're insulting.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


ebay Storzek/Des Plaines sawtooth Fowler

ted_culotta@...
 

For those of you who have been searching for one of these very rare
goodies, there is one on ebay.

It is item number 1145544505.

Ted Culotta


Re: Prototype Rails

Guy Wilber
 

In a message dated 5/17/01 8:11:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
rhendrickson@opendoor.com writes:

<< Soon the North
American market will be like the continental European market: no rolling
stock kits at all, just high quality (and costly) RTR models. >>

That sucks


Re: A&WP decals/ was L&N black PS-3's

Curt Fortenberry <arrphoto@...>
 

Larry,

I haven't done the silver cars with black lettering, but with the
photos of them in the last RPC Vol5, I'm tempted. But, I just
received my new A&WP set from the printers; for their USRA clone 2 bay
hoppers, black with white lettering. See my list at
www.greatdecals.com/Curt.htm

Curt Fortenberry


--- In STMFC@y..., "dixierails" <dixierails@a...> wrote:
Curt, What's the chance you have created decals appropriate for the
A&WP, Western of Alabama and Georgia RR boxcars. I'm trying to locate
the black lettering for the cars painted black and silver or aluminum?
Most important, can I obtain a couple of sets? Thanks.
Larry Sexton


Re: 2nd run of LL two bay hoppers

Richard Hendrickson
 

Bill Welch wrote:

The ad for Caboose Hobbies in the latest Mainline Modeler that I received
yesterday implied from the illustrated car in the ad that the second run
were more wood sheathed cars, and they listed Southern as one of the roads.

This is not accurate is it?! I thought the second run was the steel rebuilds.
The second run are all steel rebuilds, including the Southern cars.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Bob's Photo

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
 

Bob's Photo
37 Spring St
Ansonia CT 06401
203-734-6666 (!)

Timothy O'Connor <timoconnor@mediaone.net>
Marlborough, Massachusetts


Re: 2nd run of LL two bay hoppers

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
 

Bill, according to the Walthers web site, Southern steel side
rebuilds in series 105xxx are shown as "advance reservations".
Stock numbers are 23523, 23524. There are ALSO wood side cars
in the 104xxx and 105xxx Southern number series, stock numbers
23919, 23920, 23921, all listed as "advance reservations".

So you both could be right!

At 08:39 AM 5/16/01 -0400, you wrote:
The ad for Caboose Hobbies in the latest Mainline Modeler that I received
yesterday implied from the illustrated car in the ad that the second run
were more wood sheathed cars, and they listed Southern as one of the roads.
This is not accurate is it?! I thought the second run was the steel rebuilds.
Timothy O'Connor <timoconnor@mediaone.net>
Marlborough, Massachusetts


2nd run of LL two bay hoppers

Bill Welch <bwelch@...>
 

The ad for Caboose Hobbies in the latest Mainline Modeler that I received yesterday implied from the illustrated car in the ad that the second run were more wood sheathed cars, and they listed Southern as one of the roads.

This is not accurate is it?! I thought the second run was the steel rebuilds.


Bill 'Welch <bwelch@uucf.org>
Associate Minister, Unitarian Universalist Congregation of Fairfax
P.O. Box 130 Oakton VA 22124 www.uucf.org
Telephone 703 281-4230 Fax 703 281-5399


Bob's Photo

Bill Welch <bwelch@...>
 

I did talk to Bob last night and confirmed that he had found what he believes were all the Southern & Southern Pacific negatives in the "Col. Chet McCoy Collection," and not just a few odds and ends.

I did alert him that the folks in anticipation of his being at Naperville this year are talking about wearing body armor, bringing sharp weapons, and are doing PT.

Hopefully I will have done all or at least most of my shopping before then.


Bill 'Welch <bwelch@uucf.org>
Associate Minister, Unitarian Universalist Congregation of Fairfax
P.O. Box 130 Oakton VA 22124 www.uucf.org
Telephone 703 281-4230 Fax 703 281-5399


Re: Bob's Photo

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Bill,

Would Bob mind you sharing his telephone number and address with the
group? I would like to see if he has any Sacramento Northern or Western
Pacific stuff.

Kind regards,


Garth G. GRoff

Bill Welch wrote:


I did talk to Bob last night and confirmed that he had found what he believes were all the Southern & Southern Pacific negatives in the "Col. Chet McCoy Collection," and not just a few odds and ends.


Fw: A question

byronrose@...
 

Just thought you'd like to see the response to the question I posted a
few days ago. Maybe our meager efforts will help save a worthwhile piece
of equipment.

I will try to find it in the next couple weeks and get some pix while
it's still close by, i.e. on earth. All I have to do is find out where
Perryopolis is. (And please don't deluge me with that info, I really do
know where it is.)

BSR

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From: SmilinByll@aol.com
To: byronrose@juno.com
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 21:24:13 EDT
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [STMFC] Fw: A question
Message-ID: <37.1503802f.2831df3d@aol.com>

Tell everybody thanks for me. That was exactly what we needed. This car
may
well get saved.

Just so you know, it's the boxcar that sits behind the feed mill along
Route
51 in Perryopolis.

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Re: hobby shops

Dick Harley <Dick.Harley@...>
 

Bill,

One filter on "freight car modeler friendly" hobby
shops is to go to the Branchline dealer listing
<http://www.branchline-trains.com/dealers.htm>. At
least they have some interest in freight cars - maybe
not your era, but you never know.

They list a dealer in Cuyahoga Falls, OH that I have
been to and was fairly good a few years ago. And it
may be on your way to Cleveland.

Cheers,
Dick Harley

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Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 14:57:53 -0400
From: "Bill Welch" <bwelch@uucf.org>
Subject: hobby shops

I will be in Cleveland OH in June and Amhearst, MA in
August. Can anyone make suggestions of hobby shops to
visit in either area or in route. I will be driving to
both from Northern Virginia. It would help if they are
freight car modeler friendly.


Bill 'Welch <bwelch@uucf.org>


Re: Bob's photo update

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
 

That sounds like a good way to buy photos from Bob, as his collection is -enormous-
and not very well organized, so it can take hours and hours of searching just to peruse
a small percentage of what he's got. Most of the photos that I have from him don't even
have stock or ID numbers on them, so detecting duplicates can be difficult unless you
have... ahem... a photographic memory.

It will take a supreme act of willpower not to spend the entire Naperville weekend in
the room with Bob's photo collection... it's best not to bring a checkbook!

He bought a very large number of color ALCO diesel builder-photo negatives. Many
of them are stunning.

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Welch <bwelch@uucf.org>

He sells on consignment. Tell him what road(s) you are interested in and he sends you the photos. He does ask that what is not
purchased be returned promptly, along of course, with payment. I don't have his phone number or address with me at work but in
earlier posts about this collection I have given it. They are in the archive.


Re: Bob's photo update

Bill Welch <bwelch@...>
 

He sells on consignment. Tell him what road(s) you are interested in and he sends you the photos. He does ask that what is not purchased be returned promptly, along of course, with payment. I don't have his phone number or address with me at work but in earlier posts about this collection I have given it. They are in the archive.
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On 5/15/01, at 9:26 AM, Beckert, Shawn wrote:

Guys,

The only time I've actually talked to Bob was at
the NMRA Long Beach convention back in 1996. Does
anyone know if he sells photos through the mail?

Shawn Beckert

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Re: Bob's photo update

Bill Welch <bwelch@...>
 

No I don't think so. I am going to call Bob this afternoon when I get home to confirm this but my assumption is that the bulk or entirety of what was originally there is still there, but as a unit was mislabeled or misfiled. In fact I had thought along this could be a possibility given the alphabetical juxtaposition of the two railroads in question. To me it was too coincidental that both the Southern and Southern Pacific were both gone given the common word they shared.

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On 5/15/01, at 10:08 AM, thompson@signaturepress.com wrote:

Bill Welch reports:
Yet again more info. I believe I had reported that Bob thought that
whatever photos of Southern Pacific & Southern subjects in "The Col. Chet
McCoy Collection" had been sold off before he acquired the bulk of the
collection.
Good news. As he worked his way through the collection, subjects from
both railroads surfaced either mislabeled or misfiled.
I for one was thrilled to hear this news!
Gee, I was thrilled too but on account of the OTHER railroad in the
list...still, I'd assume the bulk of the SP and SRR material is still gone.

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