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Re: Does anyone have info on Klingan 943?

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Friends,

According to this Wikipedia article, the museum is currently located in Logansport, Indiana: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Transportation_Museum . Here is their own web site: https://www.itm.org .

When I visited the Noblesville museum circa 1978, the collection was mostly traction equipment. None of this is mentioned in either of those sites.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 1:16 AM Dan Smith <espeefan@...> wrote:
I don't have any registers from that time but here is a short video clip related to Dennis' photo.

https://www.indystar.com/story/news/local/hamilton-county/2017/12/20/noblesville-evicts-indiana-transportation-museum-after-52-years/969387001/

In the video, other build dates are mentioned for the car.

Dan Smith


Re: Does anyone have info on Klingan 943?

 

I don't have any registers from that time but here is a short video clip related to Dennis' photo.

https://www.indystar.com/story/news/local/hamilton-county/2017/12/20/noblesville-evicts-indiana-transportation-museum-after-52-years/969387001/

In the video, other build dates are mentioned for the car.

Dan Smith


Jim Hayes condolences

Rich C
 

Dear Group,

                                At the request of Eva, Jim’s sister-in-law, asked me that if anyone would like to send further condolences.

You may do so at Jim’s email address:


jimhayes97225@...


Or his home address: 

Jim Hayes

11790 SW Foothills Dr

Portland OR 97225

Sincerely,
Rich Christie

 


Does anyone have info on Klingan 943?

Dennis Storzek
 

About seven years ago the Indiana Transportation Museum rescued the body of KRLX 943 from a warehouse, where the carbody had been used as secure storage indoors for about seventy years. The car was built in 1910, with the last bearing repack in 1933. I understand that ITM is now defunct. Does anyone have any history on this car? Builder? In service photos?



Dennis Storzek


Re: Photo: CCC&StL And Seaboard Boxcars (1937)

mopacfirst
 

Speaking of the kit, I have one that I have been debating whether I should finish building, since it's marginally too early for me.  I learned that from this list, by the way.

Ron Merrick


Re: Photo: CCC&StL And Seaboard Boxcars (1937)

al_brown03
 

The Seaboard car (flat end, single diagonal strap in the end panel, corrugated door) looks like class B-5: Golden, Lines South 4th/04 pp 22-30 and Wider, RP CYC 18 pp 45-51.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: Fw: Milwaukee road flood photo

Charlie Vlk
 

Ted and All-

I don’t think it is a Q “Cream” car….just doesn’t have that presence.  Besides, the picture is taken after the Milwaukee Road adopted the Elgin Watch Company designed numerals that are displayed in the headlight numberboard which, I believe, were a late 1930s change.   By that time the Q cars were in MOW service.   The ones with fishbelly underframes has a letterboard fascia and dual baggage doors, not plug reefer doors.   The roof was a very flat turtleback, not round.

And they were longer than the 36-40 Ft as the car in the photo appears to be.

Charlie Vlk

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jack Mullen
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Fw: Milwaukee road flood photo

 

The mystery car matches NYC milk cars well: canvas covered roof, absence of roofwalk, single vertical grab iron at end of side, no side ladder, rounded corner post, flush doors. In milk service there were several round vents on the roof centerline, but these could have been removed later. These milk cars did show up in express service in the 50s as milk business declined.  I recall seeing a photo of one on the Santa Fe in a westbound train behind a 4-8-4. 
Jack Mullen


Re: Fw: Milwaukee road flood photo

poweredby251
 

One example of the WRX cars.

John Gadow


Re: Fw: Milwaukee road flood photo

Jack Mullen
 

The mystery car matches NYC milk cars well: canvas covered roof, absence of roofwalk, single vertical grab iron at end of side, no side ladder, rounded corner post, flush doors. In milk service there were several round vents on the roof centerline, but these could have been removed later. These milk cars did show up in express service in the 50s as milk business declined.  I recall seeing a photo of one on the Santa Fe in a westbound train behind a 4-8-4. 
Jack Mullen


Re: Fw: Milwaukee road flood photo

poweredby251
 

Western Refrigerator Line (WRX reporting marks) out of Green Bay WI had a series of insulated boxcars, wood with reefer style doors.  Almost all were painted white as in the flood picture, and most were lettered for GBW or International Milling.  Not sure if any had that rounded roofline though.....

John Gadow


Re: [EXT] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: CCC&StL And Seaboard Boxcars (1937)

Bruce Smith
 

Dan,
The F&C X28? Why would you say that? http://www.fandckits.com/HOFreight/7000.html
Maybe you're thinking of the Sunshine kits?

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


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Ben and Group

I do not believe that these kits have been available for a while.

Has there been any change?

Thanks,
Dan Smith


Re: Photo: CCC&StL And Seaboard Boxcars (1937)

 

Ben and Group

I do not believe that these kits have been available for a while.

Has there been any change?

Thanks,
Dan Smith


Re: Locomotives to the USSR via Portland, OR and the SP&S

Richard Wilkens
 

Bruce,

Yes the power cars were on standard gauge trucks and were swapped out with 5' gauge trucks when loaded on the ships. The standard gauge trucks were originally sent back to the factories building the power trains but at one point they were offered for sale to the SP&S. At the time the SP&S wasn't in need of extra cast steel trucks so they declined.

Rich Wilkens


Re: Photo: CCC&StL And Seaboard Boxcars (1937)

Benjamin Hom
 

Jack Mullen wrote:
"I think the PRR boxcar to the left is an X28a, based on the height relative to the other two cars, which I assume are 8'7" / 8'6" IH.  I can't quite resolve the class stencil nor dimensional data.  Other than height I don't know any useful spotting features to distinguish an X28A from X29."

The second panel to the left of the door on cars rebuilt to Class X28A is noticeably narrower than the rest of the panels, a legacy of its prior life as an automobile car.  (I posted the attached side-by-side years ago to the group files section.)  This feature is blocked by a tree in the referenced photo.

Another possible spotting feature is a weld seam or narrow reinforcement plate down the center of the door.  Some cars used doors recycled from the original automobile boxcars by the shops welding together sections from two half doors.  The widely circulated photo of PRR 123456 shows a three-panel door with a reinforcement plate at the seam.


Ben Hom


Re: Fw: Milwaukee road flood photo

Dennis Storzek
 

And as the rail milk traffic went to trucks, not unheard of to use milk cars in express traffic, which could take them off line.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Photo: CCC&StL And Seaboard Boxcars (1937)

Jack Mullen
 

I think the PRR boxcar to the left is an X28a, based on the height relative to the other two cars, which I assume are 8'7" / 8'6" IH.  I can't quite resolve the class stencil nor dimensional data.  Other than height I don't know any useful spotting features to distinguish an X28A from X29. 
Jack Mullen


Re: Fw: Milwaukee road flood photo

Don Burn
 

The Burlington had fish belly underframe milk cars, see RMJ August 2005 page 15. I can't swear it is one of these cars, but it seems more likely than the NYC or Rutland.

Don Burn

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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Fw: Milwaukee road flood photo

Hello Everyone,

I need some expert advice on the car behind the tender of this engine.

First the photo is from the Milwaukee Road calendar for the month of March this year. The photo is at Dubuque, Iowa along the Mississippi, during a normal flood, in April of 1951.

Now look at the car behind the locomotive tender, at the first car. This house car has a fish belly underframe, reefer style plug door, and no reefer hatches on the roof. Reminds me of a NYC milk car?

But if it is NYC, what is it doing in eastern Iowa?

North of Dubuque is Lansing, where live fish were shipped in baggage cars, for the Kosher trade in New York City, and other spots in the north east.

I will be interested in hearing your responses.

Ted Schnepf

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Fw: Milwaukee road flood photo

Ted Schnepf
 

Hello Everyone,

I need some expert advice on the car behind the tender of this engine.

First the photo is from the Milwaukee Road calendar for the month of March this year. The photo is at Dubuque, Iowa along the Mississippi, during a normal flood, in April of 1951.

Now look at the car behind the locomotive tender, at the first car. This house car has a fish belly underframe, reefer style plug door, and no reefer hatches on the roof. Reminds me of a NYC milk car?

But if it is NYC, what is it doing in eastern Iowa?

North of Dubuque is Lansing, where live fish were shipped in baggage cars, for the Kosher trade in New York City, and other spots in the north east.

I will be interested in hearing your responses.

Ted Schnepf
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Re: Photo: CCC&StL And Seaboard Boxcars (1937)

Patrick Wade
 

This looks like a different view of a photo posted earlier. That caption said the material was for an electric transmission tower from Hoover Dam. 

Pat Wade
Santa Barbara, CA

On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 11:33 AM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: CCC&StL And Seaboard Boxcars (1937)

A photo from the Huntington Library:

https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/31292/rec/2217

Click on the arrows and scroll to enlarge the photo.

Not a great photo, unfortunately, but some detail visible.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: CCC&StL And Seaboard Boxcars (1937)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: CCC&StL And Seaboard Boxcars (1937)

A photo from the Huntington Library:

https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/31292/rec/2217

Click on the arrows and scroll to enlarge the photo.

Not a great photo, unfortunately, but some detail visible.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

1861 - 1880 of 184475