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Heinz "Coffin Tank" Pickle Cars

Bill J.
 

OK, we've all seen them, they've been produced by everyone from Tyco to Westerfield.  The question is, how late were they used?

Thanks, Bill Jolitz


Re: Photo: PRR Boxcar 501862 (Undated)

Douglas Harding
 

According the info below the photo, the car is a Plymouth. And it appears to have a 1935 license plate.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Parker via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 1:43 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: PRR Boxcar 501862 (Undated)

 

Great X23 photo, and yes it's not dated. But the reweigh date is clearly Oct 1933, and the repack date looks to be the same.  Given the required service intervals of the time, summer of 1934 would be very good guess.

Somebody who knows their 1930s automobiles better can probably ID the "victim" of this accident. 
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Another color image: Sacramento museum HO WP 1916 built 40' SS box car

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Andy,

And wouldn't you know, I have four of the West Side cupola cars, two each of both versions, as well as a Balboa bay-window car. I wonder if the shorter wheelbase was done on purpose to allow them to go around model railroad curves. All of these older cars need some serious underframe and brake work, but the wheelbase problem is beyond my ability with a soldering iron.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  


On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 4:42 PM Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:
I saw this wood-less WP stock car about 20 years, or more, ago. I doubt that the museum had two of these survivors so I suspect my pictured car is the finished car of the one you shared its picture with us. Truth is, I don't know for sure.

As for having a box car to restore, I could see taking one of the cabooses made from these box cars and restoring back to a box car. You would have to rule out any of the bay window variants in that they had the bolster wheel bases reduced which would make any return to box car much more work. The earlier cupola rebuilt cabooses maintained the original under frame.

As a side note-- the Japanese made brass WP cabooses all came with the shortened  wheelbase chassis which was incorrect for the cupola versions.

Everyone please do well,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Thursday, September 24, 2020, 2:59:05 AM PDT, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:


Andy and Friends,

Is the stripped car WP 75895, the car CSRM restored and displayed outside the museum, or is it another survivor? I know it would be neat to have an example of one of the original 1916 boxcars, but the stock car was equally significant.

Attached are photos of 75895 (I think!) as I found it in West Sacramento on the SN about 1977 while awaiting movement to the CSRM, and later as it was displayed. The double-sheathed boxcar is SN 2350, which also went to the CSRM.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 11:19 PM Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:
Sacramento has a stripped of wood slats stock car. This stock car was built by the WP from rebuilt donor box cars of this subject.
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Re: Another color image: Sacramento museum HO WP 1916 built 40' SS box car

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Andy, they probably did that for the version with coach steps.  The longer wheel base should have  been used on both versions.  I have long pondered how to move the steps out and relocate the trucks. It will involve extending the platform.  Aside from that it is a good model.

Bill Pardie





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-------- Original message --------
From: Andy Carlson <midcentury@...>
Date: 9/24/20 10:42 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Another color image: Sacramento museum HO WP 1916 built 40' SS box car

I saw this wood-less WP stock car about 20 years, or more, ago. I doubt that the museum had two of these survivors so I suspect my pictured car is the finished car of the one you shared its picture with us. Truth is, I don't know for sure.

As for having a box car to restore, I could see taking one of the cabooses made from these box cars and restoring back to a box car. You would have to rule out any of the bay window variants in that they had the bolster wheel bases reduced which would make any return to box car much more work. The earlier cupola rebuilt cabooses maintained the original under frame.

As a side note-- the Japanese made brass WP cabooses all came with the shortened  wheelbase chassis which was incorrect for the cupola versions.

Everyone please do well,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Thursday, September 24, 2020, 2:59:05 AM PDT, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:


Andy and Friends,

Is the stripped car WP 75895, the car CSRM restored and displayed outside the museum, or is it another survivor? I know it would be neat to have an example of one of the original 1916 boxcars, but the stock car was equally significant.

Attached are photos of 75895 (I think!) as I found it in West Sacramento on the SN about 1977 while awaiting movement to the CSRM, and later as it was displayed. The double-sheathed boxcar is SN 2350, which also went to the CSRM.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 11:19 PM Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:
Sacramento has a stripped of wood slats stock car. This stock car was built by the WP from rebuilt donor box cars of this subject.
Inline image




Another color image: Sacramento museum HO WP 1916 built 40' SS box car

Andy Carlson
 

I saw this wood-less WP stock car about 20 years, or more, ago. I doubt that the museum had two of these survivors so I suspect my pictured car is the finished car of the one you shared its picture with us. Truth is, I don't know for sure.

As for having a box car to restore, I could see taking one of the cabooses made from these box cars and restoring back to a box car. You would have to rule out any of the bay window variants in that they had the bolster wheel bases reduced which would make any return to box car much more work. The earlier cupola rebuilt cabooses maintained the original under frame.

As a side note-- the Japanese made brass WP cabooses all came with the shortened  wheelbase chassis which was incorrect for the cupola versions.

Everyone please do well,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Thursday, September 24, 2020, 2:59:05 AM PDT, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:


Andy and Friends,

Is the stripped car WP 75895, the car CSRM restored and displayed outside the museum, or is it another survivor? I know it would be neat to have an example of one of the original 1916 boxcars, but the stock car was equally significant.

Attached are photos of 75895 (I think!) as I found it in West Sacramento on the SN about 1977 while awaiting movement to the CSRM, and later as it was displayed. The double-sheathed boxcar is SN 2350, which also went to the CSRM.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 11:19 PM Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:
Sacramento has a stripped of wood slats stock car. This stock car was built by the WP from rebuilt donor box cars of this subject.
Inline image




Re: Photo: PRR Boxcar 501862 (Undated)

Tony Thompson
 

Dave Parker wrote:

Great X23 photo, and yes it's not dated. But the reweigh date is clearly Oct 1933, and the repack date looks to be the same.  Given the required service intervals of the time, summer of 1934 would be very good guess.

    Certainly a superb shot emphasizing the superstructure framing of the X23.

Somebody who knows their 1930s automobiles better can probably ID the "victim" of this accident. 

      Accident? I thought it was an attempt to develop inverse piggyback <g>.

Tony Thompson




Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] former SP resin car build

Tony Thompson
 

Nice job, Tony!  Love the re-stenciling!

    Thank you, Elden.

Tony Thompson




Call

John Holmes
 


Re: Photo: PRR Boxcar 501862 (Undated)

Dave Parker
 

Great X23 photo, and yes it's not dated. But the reweigh date is clearly Oct 1933, and the repack date looks to be the same.  Given the required service intervals of the time, summer of 1934 would be very good guess.

Somebody who knows their 1930s automobiles better can probably ID the "victim" of this accident. 
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Photo: PRR Boxcar 501862 (Undated)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: PRR Boxcar 501862 (Undated)

A photo from the Hagley Digital Archives:

https://digital.hagley.org/PC20110315_598?solr_nav%5Bid%5D=89d34da30e0229570eea&solr_nav%5Bpage%5D=1&solr_nav%5Boffset%5D=22

Photo can be enlarged quite a bit and there is good detail.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Another color image: HO WP 1916 built 40' SS box car resin parts

lrkdbn
 

Are you going to do more of these?
L.King


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] former SP resin car build

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Nice job, Tony!  Love the re-stenciling!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Thompson
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 2:08 PM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io; espee@groups.io; ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] former SP resin car build

 

I've just completed the build of a Sunshine kit for an SP Class B-50-14 box car, represented as sold to the Mexican government to join the new Ferrocarril del Pacifico. (That means I get to model a paint patch relater, based on prototype photographs!) The work was shown in three blog posts, two about model building and lastly the paint and lettering. The completed model is shown below. The final post about the project, with links to the previous posts, is at this link if you're interested.

 

 

Tony Thompson
tony@...

 

 

 


former SP resin car build

Tony Thompson
 

I've just completed the build of a Sunshine kit for an SP Class B-50-14 box car, represented as sold to the Mexican government to join the new Ferrocarril del Pacifico. (That means I get to model a paint patch relater, based on prototype photographs!) The work was shown in three blog posts, two about model building and lastly the paint and lettering. The completed model is shown below. The final post about the project, with links to the previous posts, is at this link if you're interested.


Tony Thompson
tony@...






Re: Central Valley Stock Car Roof Ideas

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks Dennis, I had not seen a top down shot of the Cambria roof.  So CP had them as well as DT&I.  I'm going to try to make one and without drawings it will be a nod, nod Wink Wink version but I know as soon as I take it to a meet someone will say I have that drawing, you should have asked!!
If you know of a drawing let me know.
Fenton

On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 10:04 AM Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...> wrote:
No. The Hutchins Camber Roof is a all steel roof with rather prominent seam caps:



The CV part models what modelers have been calling the NP "circular" roof. Here's the Soo Line version:




The seam caps are tiny.

Dennis Storzek



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: Central Valley Stock Car Roof Ideas

Dennis Storzek
 

No. The Hutchins Camber Roof is a all steel roof with rather prominent seam caps:



The CV part models what modelers have been calling the NP "circular" roof. Here's the Soo Line version:




The seam caps are tiny.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Central Valley Stock Car Roof Ideas

Benjamin Hom
 

Fenton Wells asked:
"...is the Central Valley roof the Cambra steel roof?  I've been wanting to do the DT&I rebuilt boxcar that used this roof."

It is not.  The DT&I cars have fewer carlines with different profiles from the Central Valley roof.


Ben Hom


 


Re: Central Valley Stock Car Roof Ideas

O Fenton Wells
 

Dennis, is the Central Valley roof the Cambra steel roof?  I've been wanting to do the DT&I rebuilt boxcar that used this roof.
Fenton

On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 8:33 PM Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...> wrote:
On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 04:53 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:
Comments, suggestions, other possible projects (I have two of the stock car kits; sorry, but I don't want to sell them at this time).
 
Garth,
The problem is it's an excellent model of a very rare roof, which means it's easy to identify where it DOESN'T belong, which is most everywhere. The roof was patented by a Mr. Robertson, Master Car Builder for the Northern Pacific and he attempted to market it, but to my knowledge The Soo Line was the only road to buy. This is NOT a solid steel roof, but rather an outside metal roof designed to be supported by wood sheathing; in fact the details of the sheathing are the gist of the patent, the metal is only an incidental covering. The feature that gives this away are the cast clasps at the end of the seam caps, which were attached by screws to a wood fascia. The NP used this roof on numerous classes of box, stock, and refrigerator cars. The Soo used it on four groups of their distinctive "sawtooth" boxcars, and ten milk cars that look like express reefers. That's it. It doesn't really belong on any all steel car; too early.

Dennis Storzek
 



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: Another color image: Sacramento museum HO WP 1916 built 40' SS box car

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Andy and Friends,

Is the stripped car WP 75895, the car CSRM restored and displayed outside the museum, or is it another survivor? I know it would be neat to have an example of one of the original 1916 boxcars, but the stock car was equally significant.

Attached are photos of 75895 (I think!) as I found it in West Sacramento on the SN about 1977 while awaiting movement to the CSRM, and later as it was displayed. The double-sheathed boxcar is SN 2350, which also went to the CSRM.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 11:19 PM Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:
Sacramento has a stripped of wood slats stock car. This stock car was built by the WP from rebuilt donor box cars of this subject.
Inline image


I toyed with making a burned out HO car with one of these resin ends. This is my 1st attempt.

Inline image


-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Another color image: Sacramento museum HO WP 1916 built 40' SS box car

Andy Carlson
 

Sacramento has a stripped of wood slats stock car. This stock car was built by the WP from rebuilt donor box cars of this subject.
Inline image


I toyed with making a burned out HO car with one of these resin ends. This is my 1st attempt.

Inline image


-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA
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Re: Another color image: HO WP 1916 built 40' SS box car resin parts

Randy Hees
 

We have one of these, believed to be 2711 (as a work car) at Nevada State Railroad Museum, Boulder City... ours is believed to be last used as a rider car in the Elko wreck train... as such the end have been moved inward 2' or so creating platforms... windows were cut into the sides, and a water tank was added... Later it went to the tourist railroad at Heber Ut where the upper sheeting was cut away, making it a tourist rider car.   We acquired it in a "lot" of equipment in 1993... and it has sat until this year.  This year we have cleaned it up, replaced the arch bar trucks it was on when received with a set of cast steel caboose trucks, serviced and tested the brakes... It has a couple of burnt bearings which need to be rebabitted then it will return to service on our railroad.

Randy Hees