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Re: Suggestions? - Livestock Cars & Operations Books

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

Hi Garth,

     Please name even one stock car built that used the Fowler Patent. This nonsense began with my old friend Al Westerfield.
The fact of the matter is that fewer than 10,000 BOX CARS were constructed that utilized this patent before it was found to
be an unneeded extra expense and was dropped from use in construction of all further cars of this type that are more
properly known as Dominion Cars based upon the fact that Dominion Car & Foundry was the initial builder of such cars.
How long is this ridiculous misnaming of the type going to continue?

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: Photo: Intercolonial Railway Flat Car 15377 (Undated)

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

Since when does an early Lidgerwood become a "flat car"? These things were around for years to unload ballast 
from ballast cars with sides that opened though I yet to figure out how it was done on curves. A cable was wound onto
the drum on the right and pulled a plow down through a string of cars to unload them. The Rutland had one for years 
and the B&M may have had one at one time as the Rutland sold the B&M some ballast cars of the type used and bought
100 new ballast cars to replace them.

Though no longer headquartered in NYC Lidgerwood is stilll around.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Reading Well Hole Flat Car 99009 (Undated)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Bob, Guys;

 

Fabulous photo, fabulous car, fabulous load.

 

I think these cars were well cars, not well hole cars, though.  I have not seen documentation that the floor was removable, but I’d love to be proven wrong.

 

This class of RDG well flats is a great counterpoint to those made by NYC, P&LE and PRR, among others.  The use of a well strapped to the side sills (as well as to inner members), and use of various steel shapes, all heavily riveted together in various ways, is fascinating.  One can compare similar design thinking to PRR’s F25 and FN & F37 designs.

 

I LOVE well cars! 

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 12:43 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Reading Well Hole Flat Car 99009 (Undated)

 

Photo: Reading Well Hole Flat Car 99009 (Undated)

A photo from the National Archives of Canada:

Blockedhttps://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/CollectionSearch/Pages/record.aspx?app=FonAndCol&IdNumber=3607476

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Car built 1924, photo taken 1938 or later.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Ann Arbor Hutchins End (was FW&D 7231 Accurail kitbash)

Robert kirkham
 

I think they will make an interesting model.  My kitbash is using an earlier version, and almost ready for priming.  

After getting bogged down by some computer issues, I’ve managed to create improved versions and upload them to Shapeways this morning.  I think they will have fewer issues and be easier to fit into the Accurail body, but will need to test them out.  Here’s the link to the parts for those who are curious:   



Rob

On Nov 15, 2020, at 11:16 AM, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

Those are cool looking parts, Rob! 
 


 
Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN
 


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Was there ever a clinic on Delano-based paint and weathering?

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Bruce;

 

Of course I agree with you, but what else do we have to go by?  Kodachrome looks more accurate than any other film I ever took.  OK, warmer, but warm is good.

 

If I look at a photo or model, and it looks wrong, I will always feel it is wrong.  Vice versa.  We are only modeling a reality we want to look right.

 

And you cannot tell me the PRRT&HS “paint chips” we worked on as a group for so many years did not get consensus agreement that they look phenomenally correct!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 10:18 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Was there ever a clinic on Delano-based paint and weathering?

 

Elden sez:



"Kodachrome…..they are the only slides I took that looked like the real thing."



Actually, Elden, they are the only slides that look like your MEMORY of the real thing 😉. Memory is a notoriously tricky thing and tends to "warm" colors, just like Kodachrome. Kodak, or, as we from Rochester like to say, "The Great Yellow Mother to Us All" knew what they were doing. People are pleased when their photos look even better than their memories!



Regards,

Bruce 

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


Re: Chicagoland 2019 Minikit

Bob Chapman
 

Eric H asks: What Carmer hardware used?

Eric -- This is one of those "don't try this at home" answers. Lacking a clear proto photo of the Carmer, I used what I had -- Yarmouth's #400.

Regards,
Bob Chapman
 


Re: Photos: Bangor & Aroostook Flat Car 71710 With Army Tanks (Undated)

Steve Summers
 

The tanks are US M3 Lee tanks.  They were built late 1941 to the end of 1942.  They began to be replaced by the better M4 Sherman tanks (a lot were sold to the British). The Lee was not a very good tank but that’s beyond the scope of this group, but it gives a time frame, late 1941- 1943, that they would have been expected to be shipping on a flat car.


On Nov 16, 2020, at 12:41 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:



Photos: Bangor & Aroostook Flat Car 71710 With Army Tanks (Undated)

Photos from the National Archives of Canada:

https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/CollectionSearch/Pages/record.aspx?app=FonAndCol&IdNumber=3285352

https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/CollectionSearch/Pages/record.aspx?app=FonAndCol&IdNumber=3285353

These photos can be enlarged quite a bit.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Canadian National Tank Car 990870 (Undated)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Canadian National Tank Car 990870 (Undated)

A photo from the National Archives of Canada:

https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/CollectionSearch/Pages/record.aspx?app=FonAndCol&IdNumber=3353755

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Built 1930.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Reading Well Hole Flat Car 99009 (Undated)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Reading Well Hole Flat Car 99009 (Undated)

A photo from the National Archives of Canada:

https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/CollectionSearch/Pages/record.aspx?app=FonAndCol&IdNumber=3607476

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Car built 1924, photo taken 1938 or later.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photos: Bangor & Aroostook Flat Car 71710 With Army Tanks (Undated)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photos: Bangor & Aroostook Flat Car 71710 With Army Tanks (Undated)

Photos from the National Archives of Canada:

https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/CollectionSearch/Pages/record.aspx?app=FonAndCol&IdNumber=3285352

https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/CollectionSearch/Pages/record.aspx?app=FonAndCol&IdNumber=3285353

These photos can be enlarged quite a bit.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Weathered NKP gondolas

Doug Polinder
 

Those are fabulous, Eric.  The only things I know about NKP are from Emery Gulash's 1960s video footage and Tony Koester's articles on his own layout.  What might these have hauled?  

Doug Polinder
Lowell MI and Poquoson VA


Clark's train ID's

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Still musing about Clark’s train photo, mostly thinking about the last two cars.

 

The last car would appear to be something like the 1937 AAR boxcar, a bit taller than the car ahead of it with a corrugated door.

 

The second to last car is a puzzle.  There is no relief to the door, at all, which could indicate that it is a double sheathed wood car with a wood door.  The logo on the right side is lower than most roads who placed a (sorta) round logo on the right side (like SP, GN, etc.)  CGW tended to have more centered logos.  Did they have any DS wood boxcars at the time of the picture?

 

Steve Hile


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] partial view of a HERCULES POWDER tank car

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Guys;

 

Thanks for sharing!

 

I did some research on Hercules back when, and could not grasp how many product lines they were into.  That’d be a huge research project in itself.  They had plants all over the country, and each seemed to have a different set of tank cars serving them.

 

Did we not get a P2K in the red Hercules scheme?

 

BTW, LOVE that acid tank and its weathering!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 10:15 AM
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] partial view of a HERCULES POWDER tank car

 

Hi List Members,

 

I like this color image showing a partial view of a HERCULES POWDER tank car. Too bad we cannot see the road number...

 

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 

 


Re: Decals for scale locations and light weights just need the B&O

Charlie Duckworth
 

Garth
I have all the major railroads covered.  So I’m good. I just want to ensure the light weigh, location and date were three inches high on all roads. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Pool Service into California

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Fred;

 

Unfortunately, not yet.  I know a guy that has been working on this for 30+ years with the intention of doing a book(s), but he is overwhelmed with data. 

 

Every RR did their own version of how they handled it, and I am personally overwhelmed with just the PRR part of this, in the moment.

 

In addition, the pools changed almost yearly, with new models, changed models, and the whims of the auto makers.  I can attest to the numerous code changes, stencil changes, rack changes, and classes in use, from what I’ve dug up.

 

For your edification, you may want to look up the various auto and parts plants on-line, to see the enormous number of same in play over the years.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Fred Swanson via groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 10:41 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Pool Service into California

 

Many cars serving the auto industry were in pool service.  Are there listings or other information on what lines to and from where, when?
Fred Swanson


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Drop end gondola ratchet hand brakes

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Seth;

 

Have you looked into the Tangent ratchet hand brake models?

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Seth Lakin via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2020 2:00 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Drop end gondola ratchet hand brakes

 

Group, in modeling a gon with drop ends. The builders component sheet says that some cars had Klasing 5L-700 and the remaining cars had Universal 1995 hand brakes. Photos of of both of them show a ratchet type handbrake  

is there a separate detail part or a kit that has one of these modeled that the hand brake be harvested to model either the Klasing 5L-700 brake or Universal 1995 brake?

Thanks in advanced 
Seth Lakin
Michigan City IN


Re: Car ID just for fun

Eric Hansmann
 

Bill,

 

Those models look great! We don’t see many MoW models.

 

When were these C&O 40-foot automobile cars built?

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill McClure
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 4:24 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Car ID just for fun

 

I think I showed these once before, but maybe on the Resin list. I spent quite a few hours crawling on and under the 12k and 13k series when in MOW service as part of a project to build the 12k series. These models are cast resin from my masters, representing the 82k series and later. I have yet to do the 12k in-service version, but maybe now is a good time to start.

 

Bill


Re: Car ID just for fun

Bill McClure
 

Gary, thanks.

Here is a photo of the end of one of the models and two prototype photos showing the same ends. I don't know the "proper" nomenclature, but they are "inverted". They were the limiting item until I found, IIRC, an inverted Westerfield end. I then used two to make one master with the correct inversions..

Someone asked about the roof. The master was scratched. I crawled under these cars before they were scrapped to figure out the underframe, etc., but I didn't dare climb up. The roof contour was scaled, roughly, from dimensions and photos. The ribs are styrene sanded to shape.

Next model will be the steel rebuild, 12k series. 

Bill



WANTED: Sunshine 22.6 CB&Q XA-7/-8 1.5 door OB box car.

Fred Jansz
 

WANTED: Sunshine 22.6 CB&Q XA-7/-8 1.5 door OB box car.

If you have one in your stash you know you will never build, please consider selling it to me.

I'm modeling WP's Quincy Junction and Quincy RR, where there was such a car present for a long time.
See picture (top: © Ted Culotta, bottom: Guy Dunscomb).

Fred Jansz


Re: partial view of a HERCULES POWDER tank car

Mark Vinski
 

The Protocraft link goes to an HO set
.https://www.protocraft.com/category.cfm?ItemID=1127&Categoryid=36

Mark Vinski

1921 - 1940 of 181043