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Re: Flatcar Load: Conning Tower Tube

gd3006
 

 This tube serves as a pedestal to support the manned portion of the conning tower, which is, indeed, oval, and
substantially larger than the tube- but still a very tight space. Despite the armor thickness, I wouldn't want to be
inside when a heavy projectile hit, even if it didn't penetrate...
Graham Dean


Re: Flatcar Load: Conning Tower Tube

O Fenton Wells
 

The first sub I served on was the USS Amberjack (SS 522) commissioned in 1945.  Still in service in 1962.   It was the only sub I served on with a conning tower and it looked nothing like that.  Conning towers were not used on any subs after the WWII designs.  The Fast attack diesel boats in the 50's had no conning towers but they had control rooms and of course the nukes were without conning towers.
Not sure what this might be sued for.
Fenton Wells

On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 6:19 PM Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

​This cargo is really puzzling. Conning towers in surface ships were phased out at about this time because the presence of a hugely heavy steel cylinder in the superstructure of a surface ship was beginning to be seen as a disadvantage. So I looked to see what might have been under construction at the Brooklyn Navy Yard, because the Iowas, the last American battleships, were done by this date. Even the 5th and 6th Iowa class BBs had been canceled. I can find no record of any heavy ship being constructed at this date at Brooklyn that this would be destined for.  It also seems a bit narrow for a surface ship conning tower and is clearly not a submarine conning tower. The date seems reasonable given the reweigh on the car... so I really have no idea what this cargo is...


Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 2:58 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Flatcar Load: Conning Tower Tube
 

A better link

https://www.flickr.com/photos/kheelcenter/5279257017/



  PRR F22 #435332.  Reweigh P57, 8/43.  So here we have another use for the PRR gun flat singlets!
Regards 
Bruce Smith
Midvale Company produced conning tower tube for Brooklyn Navy Yard, order #85809, weight 188,060 lbs being transported by railroad, October 6, 1943.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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Sterling, Massachusetts



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Re: Flatcar Load: Conning Tower Tube

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

Ah! I didn’t notice this. Thanks for the observation!

If it’s for BB-63 it would likely be the base for some large (probably rotating) component like a rangefinder, or gun-director (optical or radar). In any event, it’s only about half the diameter of a “conning tower”, and just not heavy enough (these things were 18” thick), and in an Iowa-class BB they were not round, but oval shaped.

Very interesting!

Dan Mitchell
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On Sep 30, 2018, at 7:53 PM, gd3006 <gbd99@...> wrote:

Note the "BB-63" stencilled just above the weight- this would have been for the USS Missouri. IIRC, the Missouri
was launched at Brooklyn in early 1944, and commissioned about mid-year, so the 10/1943 date of this photo
seems about right.
Graham Dean


Re: Flatcar Load: Conning Tower Tube

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

I concur that this is a “puzzlement”.

I don’t know what the repair schedule for armored ships was in this time frame. The old “Pearl Harbor” battleships were rebuilt and returned to service (less the Oklahoma), but the tube pictured is just way too small to be the conning tower of any WWII battleship.

It may be an unarmored base for a range-finder or gun-director of some cruiser or battleship, but these are not “conning towers”. It’s also too small and too heavy to be any likely part of the pressure-hull of a submarine (and once again not a “conning tower”).

I can’t think of any other use for a large heavy tubular component like this in ship construction. Most such in ship’s superstructures are just sheet metal fabrications (stacks, fire-control towers, etc.).

So …?

Dan Mitchell
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On Sep 30, 2018, at 7:18 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Bruce isn't it possible that it could be for REPAIRS to a damaged ship?


This cargo is really puzzling. Conning towers in surface ships were phased out at about this time because the presence of a hugely heavy steel cylinder in the superstructure of a surface ship was beginning to be seen as a disadvantage. So I looked to see what might have been under construction at the Brooklyn Navy Yard, because the Iowas, the last American battleships, were done by this date. Even the 5th and 6th Iowa class BBs had been canceled. I can find no record of any heavy ship being constructed at this date at Brooklyn that this would be destined for.  It also seems a bit narrow for a surface ship conning tower and is clearly not a submarine conning tower. The date seems reasonable given the reweigh on the car... so I really have no idea what this cargo is...


Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL



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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*





Re: Flatcar Load: Conning Tower Tube

gd3006
 

Note the "BB-63" stencilled just above the weight- this would have been for the USS Missouri. IIRC, the Missouri
was launched at Brooklyn in early 1944, and commissioned about mid-year, so the 10/1943 date of this photo
seems about right.
Graham Dean


Re: Coupler lift bars.

Tim O'Connor
 


I still have a number of unused packages of the DA parts but I have not used any
in many years - I make my own with wire and pliers, and it's MUCH cheaper, and they
look just fine.

But I'd be happy to sell them at the market rate of $5 a pair :-D

Tim O'




Yes, they have incrementally reduced the number of pairs per package and while increasing the price until I refuse to purchase them. If we all stop using them, maybe they will get the message.
Nelson Moyer

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Flatcar Load: Conning Tower Tube

Tim O'Connor
 

Bruce isn't it possible that it could be for REPAIRS to a damaged ship?

This cargo is really puzzling. Conning towers in surface ships were phased out at about this time because the presence of a hugely heavy steel cylinder in the superstructure of a surface ship was beginning to be seen as a disadvantage. So I looked to see what might have been under construction at the Brooklyn Navy Yard, because the Iowas, the last American battleships, were done by this date. Even the 5th and 6th Iowa class BBs had been canceled. I can find no record of any heavy ship being constructed at this date at Brooklyn that this would be destined for. It also seems a bit narrow for a surface ship conning tower and is clearly not a submarine conning tower. The date seems reasonable given the reweigh on the car... so I really have no idea what this cargo is...


Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: Flatcar Load: Conning Tower Tube

Bruce Smith
 

​This cargo is really puzzling. Conning towers in surface ships were phased out at about this time because the presence of a hugely heavy steel cylinder in the superstructure of a surface ship was beginning to be seen as a disadvantage. So I looked to see what might have been under construction at the Brooklyn Navy Yard, because the Iowas, the last American battleships, were done by this date. Even the 5th and 6th Iowa class BBs had been canceled. I can find no record of any heavy ship being constructed at this date at Brooklyn that this would be destined for.  It also seems a bit narrow for a surface ship conning tower and is clearly not a submarine conning tower. The date seems reasonable given the reweigh on the car... so I really have no idea what this cargo is...


Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 2:58 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Flatcar Load: Conning Tower Tube
 

A better link

https://www.flickr.com/photos/kheelcenter/5279257017/



  PRR F22 #435332.  Reweigh P57, 8/43.  So here we have another use for the PRR gun flat singlets!
Regards 
Bruce Smith
Midvale Company produced conning tower tube for Brooklyn Navy Yard, order #85809, weight 188,060 lbs being transported by railroad, October 6, 1943.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Flatcar Load: Conning Tower Tube

Tim O'Connor
 


A better link

https://www.flickr.com/photos/kheelcenter/5279257017/



  PRR F22 #435332.  Reweigh P57, 8/43.  So here we have another use for the PRR gun flat singlets!
  Regards Bruce Smith


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: PRR GRa Brake Wheel

Bill Welch
 

Got it Bruce, thank you.

Bill Welch


Re: Flatcar Load: Conning Tower Tube

Bruce Smith
 


Re: PRR GRa Brake Wheel

Bruce Smith
 

​Bill,


I am not aware of these brake wheels/shafts having any special "drop" feature. Rather, when the ends were dropped, the brake wheel and shaft would be removed and attached to the deck of the idler car.  Note that the same thing was done with F22 gun flats.


Regards

Bruce

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Welch <fgexbill@...>
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 7:06 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] PRR GRa Brake Wheel
 
Given that the Pennsy's GRa gondola had drop ends (am I correct here?), did the Brake Shaft/Brake Wheel some how drop or fold out of the way?

Bill Welch


Flatcar Load: Conning Tower Tube

Bob Chaparro
 

A photo from Flickr:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/kheelcenter/5279257017/sizes/o/

Caption:

Midvale Company produced conning tower tube for Brooklyn Navy Yard, order #85809, weight 188,060 lbs being transported by railroad, October 6, 1943.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Rapido NP DS boxcars are out

William Hirt
 

Walthers is listing single and 4 pack car availability on there web site. And they are also showing they are not sold out as of now. I have 4 pack of the Main Street slogan cars ordered through my local dealer to split with a GN modeler.

Bill Hirt


On 9/29/2018 6:55 PM, Jon Miller wrote:
On 9/29/2018 3:50 PM, BRIAN PAUL EHNI wrote:
Any dealers out there willing to bust up the 4-packs? I’d like a couple of the “NP “MAIN STREET…” 1951-56” version

    I got all mixed up on my orders and first ordered a 130002 and then changed to a 130004.  I buy from HOhobbies.  Have to call and see what I am getting .  I think Rapido has sold out (to dealers) the first run, just a guess.  Anyway I'm willing to trade a couple (in my era) but not sure what I'm getting yet.  I'm also guessing the mail order dealers are breaking up the 4 packs.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS
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Re: Coupler lift bars.

Pierre Oliver
 

Don Tichy is working , slowly, on a replacement.

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com

On 9/29/18 10:40 PM, Brian Carlson via Groups.Io wrote:
Over the last 20 years I’ve used hundreds of Details Associates part 6215 Coupler Lift Bar - Standard Freight Car.

With no local hobby shop anymore I spend a lot of time at shows searching for various detail parts. Today I found and purchased more packs of the above part. I was saddened to see the quantity of the newest packages were one pair (1 car) for $6.95 cdn.

I don’t mind bending my own but these guys have several bends I’ve never been able to bend well. Does anyone know of other sources for similar parts. I’ve looked at the Tangent website and I see the ones for their covered hoppers wounding if they would work on other car types.


Brian J. Carlson


PRR GRa Brake Wheel

Bill Welch
 

Given that the Pennsy's GRa gondola had drop ends (am I correct here?), did the Brake Shaft/Brake Wheel some how drop or fold out of the way?

Bill Welch


Re: Coupler lift bars.

Nelson Moyer
 

Yes, they have incrementally reduced the number of pairs per package and while increasing the price until I refuse to purchase them. If we all stop using them, maybe they will get the message.

Nelson Moyer

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Carlson via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 9:41 PM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Coupler lift bars.

Over the last 20 years I’ve used hundreds of Details Associates part 6215 Coupler Lift Bar - Standard Freight Car.

With no local hobby shop anymore I spend a lot of time at shows searching for various detail parts. Today I found and purchased more packs of the above part. I was saddened to see the quantity of the newest packages were one pair (1 car) for $6.95 cdn.

I don’t mind bending my own but these guys have several bends I’ve never been able to bend well. Does anyone know of other sources for similar parts. I’ve looked at the Tangent website and I see the ones for their covered hoppers wounding if they would work on other car types.


Brian J. Carlson


Coupler lift bars.

Brian Carlson
 

Over the last 20 years I’ve used hundreds of Details Associates part 6215 Coupler Lift Bar - Standard Freight Car.

With no local hobby shop anymore I spend a lot of time at shows searching for various detail parts. Today I found and purchased more packs of the above part. I was saddened to see the quantity of the newest packages were one pair (1 car) for $6.95 cdn.

I don’t mind bending my own but these guys have several bends I’ve never been able to bend well. Does anyone know of other sources for similar parts. I’ve looked at the Tangent website and I see the ones for their covered hoppers wounding if they would work on other car types.


Brian J. Carlson


Re: Rapido NP DS boxcars are out

Jon Miller
 

On 9/29/2018 3:50 PM, BRIAN PAUL EHNI wrote:
Any dealers out there willing to bust up the 4-packs? I’d like a couple of the “NP “MAIN STREET…” 1951-56” version

    I got all mixed up on my orders and first ordered a 130002 and then changed to a 130004.  I buy from HOhobbies.  Have to call and see what I am getting .  I think Rapido has sold out (to dealers) the first run, just a guess.  Anyway I'm willing to trade a couple (in my era) but not sure what I'm getting yet.  I'm also guessing the mail order dealers are breaking up the 4 packs.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Rapido NP DS boxcars are out

BRIAN PAUL EHNI
 

Any dealers out there willing to bust up the 4-packs? I’d like a couple of the “NP “MAIN STREET…” 1951-56” version


Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

On 9/29/18, 3:00 PM, "Brian Carlson via Groups.Io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io on behalf of prrk41361=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Just a public service announcement that the Rapido Northern Pacific DS box cars are available, finally! Picked one up today at the Greater Toronto train show.


Brian J. Carlson