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Re: on the left, there is a B&O gon

D. Scott Chatfield
 

Speaking of trucks, the B&O gon's trucks look unusual.  Any thoughts?

And no, I have no idea why those two panels are deeper.  The car appears to have KC brakes, so it's not protecting the brake gear.  Hmmmm


Scott Chatfield


Re: on the left, there is a B&O gon

Jim Betz
 

Scott,
  Thanks for the answer.  I have never seen that before and so I 
suspected it was a practice/method that was discontinued due to
better methods being developed.
  You have to admit it is truly weird/strange/curious/whatever!
                                                                                                   - Jim B.


Re: Archer Decals - Fwd: HURRICANE FLORENCE headed our way

Richard Brennan
 

For the last decade... I've contacted Archer in Youngsville, NC,
just outside of Wake Forest, NE of Raleigh. If Archer was somewhere else at one time... it is news to me!

This is the area where the forecasters are concerned Florence will stall and dump...
Best Wishes to Woody Vondracek, family, and the Archer team to ride this out safely.

--------------------
Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
--------------------

At 08:44 AM 9/11/2018, Tim O'Connor wrote:
<snip>did ARCHER relocate to the United States?


Re: Archer Decals - Fwd: HURRICANE FLORENCE headed our way

O Fenton Wells
 

Yes Tim they are in NC
Archer Fine Transfers, PO Box 1277, Youngsville, NC 27596

Fenton Wells


On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 11:44 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

What the... ?? I just received this from ARCHER and I thought to ask here -
did ARCHER relocate to the United States? If so, that's good news, but it's news
to me in any case!

Tim O'


===============================


HURRICANE FORENCE
As of today it appears we are directly in the path of Hurricane Florence and this could result in a major disruption of our operations. 

We are closing today, Tuesday, Sept 11th and we will be spending all of our time preparing for this storm, so orders received after this morning until further notice will most likely be delayed.

Although the possibility of serious property damage is not high we will most likely be without electricity for a time if the storm hits our area. This will mean we will not be able process shipping labels. Unfortunately, we are located in a rural area, not on a high priority grid and unlikely to have power restored quickly.

You can track the course of the storm HERE
We are located directly above the NC on the map.
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Archer Decals - Fwd: HURRICANE FLORENCE headed our way

Tim O'Connor
 


What the... ?? I just received this from ARCHER and I thought to ask here -
did ARCHER relocate to the United States? If so, that's good news, but it's news
to me in any case!

Tim O'


===============================


HURRICANE FORENCE
As of today it appears we are directly in the path of Hurricane Florence and this could result in a major disruption of our operations. 

We are closing today, Tuesday, Sept 11th and we will be spending all of our time preparing for this storm, so orders received after this morning until further notice will most likely be delayed.

Although the possibility of serious property damage is not high we will most likely be without electricity for a time if the storm hits our area. This will mean we will not be able process shipping labels. Unfortunately, we are located in a rural area, not on a high priority grid and unlikely to have power restored quickly.

You can track the course of the storm HERE
We are located directly above the NC on the map.
Archer Fine Transfers, PO Box 1277, Youngsville, NC 27596
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Re: correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

Bill Welch
 

Just my opinion but although Accurail Andrew are nicely detailed I think they are too long and on a model they are too big, especially if you have a car next to it with the Tahoe truck. On a stock car they look out of proportion. Again just my opinion.

Bill Welch


Re: correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello Doug,
 
many thanks for your note. Westerfield has them listed, when I am at home I will try to order them.
Yes, Accurail trucks usually are nicely detailed and run very well, but unfortunately the brake shoes are not in gauge with the wheels, so there would be some work involved.
 
Many greetings
 
Johannes
 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2018 um 15:10 Uhr
Von: "Douglas Harding" <doug.harding@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

If you can’t find the Tahoe trucks Nelson mentioned, look at the Accurail Andrews trucks. They are a very nice looking, inexpensive and when equipped with wheelsets from Intermoutain or Reboxx they roll very well.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 8:07 AM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

 

Hello Nelson,

 

MANY THANKS for your comprehensive reply! So I will use Andrews trucks on both cars, definitely. I am modeling the early POST-war years (I am sorry for the mistakenly written pre-war in my original post!) - the reweigh date on the cars is 8-48.

 

>> If any SM-18 or SM-18A cars got any of these other trucks, it would be an anomaly, and with only two cars, do you really want to model an anomaly? <<

 

No, not really. If I model an anomly it at least must have the proof to be accurate - which in this case wouldn't be.

 

Many thanks again!

 

Johannes

 

Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2018 um 14:51 Uhr
Von: "Nelson Moyer" <npmoyer@...>
An: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

It depends upon what date(s) you intend to represent. SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars were built between 1926 and 1928, and they originally received arch bar trucks, but they received Andrews trucks before the arch bar ban for interchange. Since your cars have AB brakes, they would also have Andrews trucks. All photos of SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars I’ve seen show Andrews trucks. Later classes of CB&Q stock cars got Barber double truss lateral motion, Barber S-2A, ASF A-3 ride control, or Scullin self-aligning spring plankless trucks, but here is no evidence that I’m aware of where these trucks were ever used on SM-18 or SM-18A stock cars, which were retired in the late 1960s and early 1970s. A few cars lasted into the BN era. It also depends upon how strictly you wish to model the prototype. If you’re fudging other things, you may use whatever trucks you wish to use without regard for the prototype. If any SM-18 or SM-18A cars got any of these other trucks, it would be an anomaly, and with only two cars, do you really want to model an anomaly?  I have 24 SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars at present, and all roll very well on Tahoe Model Works Andrews trucks. Bottom line for you is the decision whether or not to be true to the prototype, or freelance.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 2:52 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

 

Hello friends,

I have two CB&Q SM-18 stock cars needing new trucks for acceptable rolling ability. The current trucks are Andrews which I guess are entirely accurate for the cars. But would it also be accurate to equip one car with a different type of trucks? I just like to see some kind of difference on several cars of the same class.
The cars represent a pre-WWII version with AB brakes.

Many thanks for any information

Johannes

 

 


Re: correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

Douglas Harding
 

If you can’t find the Tahoe trucks Nelson mentioned, look at the Accurail Andrews trucks. They are a very nice looking, inexpensive and when equipped with wheelsets from Intermoutain or Reboxx they roll very well.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 8:07 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

 

Hello Nelson,

 

MANY THANKS for your comprehensive reply! So I will use Andrews trucks on both cars, definitely. I am modeling the early POST-war years (I am sorry for the mistakenly written pre-war in my original post!) - the reweigh date on the cars is 8-48.

 

>> If any SM-18 or SM-18A cars got any of these other trucks, it would be an anomaly, and with only two cars, do you really want to model an anomaly? <<

 

No, not really. If I model an anomly it at least must have the proof to be accurate - which in this case wouldn't be.

 

Many thanks again!

 

Johannes

 

Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2018 um 14:51 Uhr
Von: "Nelson Moyer" <npmoyer@...>
An: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

It depends upon what date(s) you intend to represent. SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars were built between 1926 and 1928, and they originally received arch bar trucks, but they received Andrews trucks before the arch bar ban for interchange. Since your cars have AB brakes, they would also have Andrews trucks. All photos of SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars I’ve seen show Andrews trucks. Later classes of CB&Q stock cars got Barber double truss lateral motion, Barber S-2A, ASF A-3 ride control, or Scullin self-aligning spring plankless trucks, but here is no evidence that I’m aware of where these trucks were ever used on SM-18 or SM-18A stock cars, which were retired in the late 1960s and early 1970s. A few cars lasted into the BN era. It also depends upon how strictly you wish to model the prototype. If you’re fudging other things, you may use whatever trucks you wish to use without regard for the prototype. If any SM-18 or SM-18A cars got any of these other trucks, it would be an anomaly, and with only two cars, do you really want to model an anomaly?  I have 24 SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars at present, and all roll very well on Tahoe Model Works Andrews trucks. Bottom line for you is the decision whether or not to be true to the prototype, or freelance.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 2:52 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

 

Hello friends,

I have two CB&Q SM-18 stock cars needing new trucks for acceptable rolling ability. The current trucks are Andrews which I guess are entirely accurate for the cars. But would it also be accurate to equip one car with a different type of trucks? I just like to see some kind of difference on several cars of the same class.
The cars represent a pre-WWII version with AB brakes.

Many thanks for any information

Johannes

 


Re: correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello Nelson,
 
MANY THANKS for your comprehensive reply! So I will use Andrews trucks on both cars, definitely. I am modeling the early POST-war years (I am sorry for the mistakenly written pre-war in my original post!) - the reweigh date on the cars is 8-48.
 
>> If any SM-18 or SM-18A cars got any of these other trucks, it would be an anomaly, and with only two cars, do you really want to model an anomaly? <<
 
No, not really. If I model an anomly it at least must have the proof to be accurate - which in this case wouldn't be.
 
Many thanks again!
 
Johannes
 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2018 um 14:51 Uhr
Von: "Nelson Moyer" <npmoyer@...>
An: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

It depends upon what date(s) you intend to represent. SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars were built between 1926 and 1928, and they originally received arch bar trucks, but they received Andrews trucks before the arch bar ban for interchange. Since your cars have AB brakes, they would also have Andrews trucks. All photos of SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars I’ve seen show Andrews trucks. Later classes of CB&Q stock cars got Barber double truss lateral motion, Barber S-2A, ASF A-3 ride control, or Scullin self-aligning spring plankless trucks, but here is no evidence that I’m aware of where these trucks were ever used on SM-18 or SM-18A stock cars, which were retired in the late 1960s and early 1970s. A few cars lasted into the BN era. It also depends upon how strictly you wish to model the prototype. If you’re fudging other things, you may use whatever trucks you wish to use without regard for the prototype. If any SM-18 or SM-18A cars got any of these other trucks, it would be an anomaly, and with only two cars, do you really want to model an anomaly?  I have 24 SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars at present, and all roll very well on Tahoe Model Works Andrews trucks. Bottom line for you is the decision whether or not to be true to the prototype, or freelance.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 2:52 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

 

Hello friends,

I have two CB&Q SM-18 stock cars needing new trucks for acceptable rolling ability. The current trucks are Andrews which I guess are entirely accurate for the cars. But would it also be accurate to equip one car with a different type of trucks? I just like to see some kind of difference on several cars of the same class.
The cars represent a pre-WWII version with AB brakes.

Many thanks for any information

Johannes

 


Re: correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

Nelson Moyer
 

It depends upon what date(s) you intend to represent. SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars were built between 1926 and 1928, and they originally received arch bar trucks, but they received Andrews trucks before the arch bar ban for interchange. Since your cars have AB brakes, they would also have Andrews trucks. All photos of SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars I’ve seen show Andrews trucks. Later classes of CB&Q stock cars got Barber double truss lateral motion, Barber S-2A, ASF A-3 ride control, or Scullin self-aligning spring plankless trucks, but here is no evidence that I’m aware of where these trucks were ever used on SM-18 or SM-18A stock cars, which were retired in the late 1960s and early 1970s. A few cars lasted into the BN era. It also depends upon how strictly you wish to model the prototype. If you’re fudging other things, you may use whatever trucks you wish to use without regard for the prototype. If any SM-18 or SM-18A cars got any of these other trucks, it would be an anomaly, and with only two cars, do you really want to model an anomaly?  I have 24 SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars at present, and all roll very well on Tahoe Model Works Andrews trucks. Bottom line for you is the decision whether or not to be true to the prototype, or freelance.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 2:52 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

 

Hello friends,

I have two CB&Q SM-18 stock cars needing new trucks for acceptable rolling ability. The current trucks are Andrews which I guess are entirely accurate for the cars. But would it also be accurate to equip one car with a different type of trucks? I just like to see some kind of difference on several cars of the same class.
The cars represent a pre-WWII version with AB brakes.

Many thanks for any information

Johannes


Re: on the left, there is a B&O gon

Dennis Storzek
 

On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 11:11 PM, D. Scott Chatfield wrote:
The extra rail is a type of point guard.  Must have had a problem with wheels picking those points.
Looks like a case of good ol' field expediency. The track arrangement looks tight, and the route coming off the diverging route of a trailing turnout immediately into the diverging route of a facing turnout has the wheels crowding the outer rail of the curve. Must have been an inordinate number of derailments there, so they cobbled up a short guard rail to pull the wheels away from the point... while running in either direction. The guard rail looks like a standard guardrail as used with a frog; at any rate it is held in place with what I recall is a Wharton clamp, same as the guardrails at the frog in the near foreground.

Dennis Storzek
Dennis Storzek


Re: on the left, there is a B&O gon

Eric Hansmann
 

On September 11, 2018 at 6:14 AM Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...> wrote:

Well... the car coupled to the other end is the new Accurail 36' car. While the fishbelly center sill shows underneath, the real spotting feature is the bolster ends.

Many of the boxcars in that string could be modeled using Accurail kits. Beyond the Southern SU car is a Canadian Pacific Fowler. While we can't determine if it has a 5- or 6-foot door, the  new Accurail Fowler makes for a good starting point on a CPR 6-foot door Fowler. 

The remaining cars are difficult to identify but all seem similar with truss rods, grab iron ladders, and doors opening to the right. I suspect these are Lackawanna boxcars. Adding truss rods to a straight centersill Accurail double-sheathed shorty with wood ends would be a fair reflection of the prototypes. 

Modeling the mid-1920s is fun.


Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN


Re: on the left, there is a B&O gon

Dennis Storzek
 

On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 01:31 PM, O Fenton Wells wrote:
And right behind that is a Southern SU boxcar.  Just say'in
Well... the car coupled to the other end is the new Accurail 36' car. While the fishbelly center sill shows underneath, the real spotting feature is the bolster ends.

Dennis Storzek


correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello friends,

I have two CB&Q SM-18 stock cars needing new trucks for acceptable rolling ability. The current trucks are Andrews which I guess are entirely accurate for the cars. But would it also be accurate to equip one car with a different type of trucks? I just like to see some kind of difference on several cars of the same class.
The cars represent a pre-WWII version with AB brakes.

Many thanks for any information

Johannes


Re: on the left, there is a B&O gon

D. Scott Chatfield
 

The extra rail is a type of point guard.  Must have had a problem with wheels picking those points.  Not typical practice in the lifetime of almost all of us on this list.  Point guards are usually castings mounted to the outside of the points and push the wheel away from the point.  Normally only used on low speed track, like in yards.


Scott Chatfield


Re: on the left, there is a B&O gon

Richard Brennan
 

At 07:45 PM 9/10/2018, Jim Betz wrote:
As long as we are looking at this particular image ...
http://www.railfan.net/lists/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-08-02-18/X4896.jpg
What's going on with the track on the right (where the dwarfs are) ???
Sure -looks- strange to me.
...just a foreshortened view of the switch points thrown for the classification yard?


--------------------
Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
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Re: on the left, there is a B&O gon

Jim Betz
 

 As long as we are looking at this particular image ...

  What's going on with the track on the right (where the dwarfs are) ???
Sure -looks- strange to me.
                                                                          - Jim B.


Re: business practices

Mikebrock
 

 

ADMIN: Tim O’Connor notes:

 

Bill was only saying we can criticize the PRODUCT without turning it into
personal comments about people. I'm pretty sure that's longstanding Mike Brock
policy.

As a matter of fact, Tim is right. OTOH, there is a difference between describing a business practice and criticizing one.

Note the STMFC rule: Criticism of a manufacturer's business practices is, however, not within the scope of the group. ALL SUBJECTS OTHER THAN THOSE DIRECTLY ASSOCIATED WITH STEAM ERA FREIGHT CARS ARE PROHIBITED FROM MEMBER MESSAGES. Thus, all admin, security, or "policing" functions will be conducted only by myself or my representatives. Warnings about virus activity is strictly prohibited. Threads or subjects may be terminated only by myself or my representatives. When threads/subjects are terminated, members are expected to avoid sending messages associated with such threads/subjects. All references to politics or political views are prohibited.”

Mike Brock




 


Re: on the left, there is a B&O gon

rwitt_2000
 

Claus and all,

I believe the object is real, but I have never seen such an attachment. The class O-18 originally were drop-bottom gondolas or gondolas with drop bottom doors. The doors were removed around 1925 and they were rebuilt into flat bottom gondolas. Is there a date for the photo? All I can add is that the "extra steel plate" is located were the drop bottom doors would be located and there appears to stenciling on the "plate".

The B&O O-18 fleet was about 8,000 cars but apparently very few were photographed. A very camera shy freight car.

Bob Witt


Re: PASSING COMMENTARY

Jerry Michels
 

Very fine response Tom!

Jerry Michels