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Re: NC&StL HM-11 Two-Bay Hopper

Bill Welch
 

There are several on eBay. I did not try to count the Foobies: https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=MTH+USRA+hopper&_sacat=0

Bill Welch


Re: NC&StL HM-11 Two-Bay Hopper

Dave Parker
 

Marty:

MTH does make a USRA twin, and you can read all about it here:

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/2016/04/15/upgrading-plastic-mth-usra-hoppers/

As RTRs go, I think it's nicely done, especially if your application calls for a vertical-shaft brakewheel arrangement, rather than the Blackall lever that was so common on the original USRA cars.

For me, it represents a very useful option beyond the Tichy and Accurail products, especially since it has KD hardware (and MOL scale grabs) right out of the box.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA


Cancelled--special Red Caboose '37 AAR undec boc car kits.

Andy Carlson
 

Because of the lack of Intermountain's accepting my order, and also since they are not answering my emails anymore, I am cancelling the special run of the title box car kits. I am sorry to have wasted so many modelers', with whom I have great respect, time.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


More closeout prices for Tahoe Trucks

Andy Carlson
 

Below trucks are Tahoe Model works truck pairs less wheel sets. Sold by the bag only.
TMW #007 Double Truss self-aligning ( 6 pairs)  ............................$15/bag
TMW #013 BARBER S2 (10 pairs)  .................................................$25/bag
TMW #014 40-ton ARA Scullion w lateral motion (8 pair) ...............$20/bag
TMW #004 Bettendorf Swing Motion Caboose trucks (4 pair) .......$10/bag
TMW #002 Dalmann 2-level w/ lateral motion (4 pairs)  ..................$10/bag

Not sold individually-sold by the whole bag of each part number.
Buyer to pay shipping of $7 for boxed Priority Mail.
Contact me off-list if interested at <midcentury (at) sbcglobal (dot) net>
<midcentury@...>

I accept checks and with a small fee, PayPal.
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: NC&StL HM-11 Two-Bay Hopper

Tim O'Connor
 


The error really only becomes apparent with certain lettering schemes, where
the lettering doesn't exactly fit the side because of the spacing between the
ribs. Otherwise I agree with Bill - the Tichy yields a more pleasing model.

Tim O'



There is an error Armand but not enough to bother me. Alternative is spend time carving detail off an Accurail version then putting it back on. I would rather spend my time detailing instead of removing details, especially if I am building more than one of something like these hoppers. Just my 2-cents.

Bill Welch

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: NC&StL HM-11 Two-Bay Hopper

Bill Welch
 

You may see a flat car too, hah.

Bill Welch


Re: 1923 Buicks On Grand Trunk Flat Car

Guy Wilber
 

Bob Chaparro wrote:

"This is a negative image that must be inverted in a photo editing program for better viewing.
There are no additional notes for this photo. It appears there are nine cars stacked on the flat car. The supporting structure is not all that robust, in my opinion."

The Buick Motor Company didn't share your opinion.  

This particular "supporting structure", more commonly referred to as a "deck", “buck”, or “horse”, was a patented product of Carbo Steel Products Company located in Chicago, Illinois.  Buick was so satisfied with the product the company purchased 2,500 sets beginning in 1919. 

This photo is very likely from one of Buick's "trainload of autos" sent from Flint, Michigan to Seattle, Washington via the Canadian Pacific.  During this period Buick and other manufacturers were utilizing open top equipment to ship their vehicles due to the constant shortage of closed auto cars.  The “decks” were used on flatcars and within gondolas or auto cars when they were available.  One for tilting or a set for decking as shown in the photo.

Decking vehicles, even with its associated installation and loading costs, was more economical for manufacturers as the rail rates were subject to a basic minimum of 10,000 pounds for cars not exceeding 40’-7” (inside length), with higher graduated minima for longer cars.  Two automobiles loaded per car seldom met that requirement.  Shipping the “decks” back to assembly plants, damage, and theft were downsides to their usage.

Carbo was not the lone supplier of steel “decks”.  Evans offered a similar product as did Copony Auto Loading. Several auto manufacturers including Willys-Overland, Dodge Bros, and Buick’s owner GM all produced some form of their own decking device.


Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada


Re: NC&StL HM-11 Two-Bay Hopper

gtws00
 

Looking good Bill. Nice to see something other than a box car.
George Toman


Re: NC&StL HM-11 Two-Bay Hopper

Marty McGuirk
 

Bill, 

Very nice, as always. 

Doesn’t Mike’s Train House (MTH) also make a USRA twin hopper? 

If so, I’ve never seen one - never actually seen any MTH freight car - wondering if it’s accurate/separate details etc..

Marty
 



On Sep 8, 2018, at 1:59 PM, Armand Premo <arm.p.prem@...> wrote:

Bill,I am not really a rivet counter,I prefer t just count cars.Thanks Bill,Armand Premo

On Sat, Sep 8, 2018 at 1:39 PM, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:
There is an error Armand but not enough to bother me. Alternative is spend time carving detail off an Accurail version then putting it back on. I would rather spend my time detailing instead of removing details, especially if I am building more than one of something like these hoppers. Just my 2-cents.

Bill Welch





Re: NC&StL HM-11 Two-Bay Hopper

Armand Premo
 

Bill,I am not really a rivet counter,I prefer t just count cars.Thanks Bill,Armand Premo

On Sat, Sep 8, 2018 at 1:39 PM, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:
There is an error Armand but not enough to bother me. Alternative is spend time carving detail off an Accurail version then putting it back on. I would rather spend my time detailing instead of removing details, especially if I am building more than one of something like these hoppers. Just my 2-cents.

Bill Welch



Re: NC&StL HM-11 Two-Bay Hopper

Bill Welch
 

There is an error Armand but not enough to bother me. Alternative is spend time carving detail off an Accurail version then putting it back on. I would rather spend my time detailing instead of removing details, especially if I am building more than one of something like these hoppers. Just my 2-cents.

Bill Welch


Re: NC&StL HM-11 Two-Bay Hopper

O Fenton Wells
 

Excellent Bill.  
Fenton

On Sat, Sep 8, 2018 at 1:20 PM, Armand Premo <arm.p.prem@...> wrote:
Bill,In the past it was  suggested that the kit was not accurate because of the rib spacing was not the USRA design.Did you have a problem with that ?Armand Premo

On Sat, Sep 8, 2018 at 1:05 PM, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:
The boys at the Clearwater Car Shops have another car ready for the Paint Shop. The NC&StL owned two groups of USRA design 2-bay hoppers that except for their trucks are exact copies of that design. The CCS used the Tichy kit and added a few enhancements like the Train Line along the right side of the car along with brackets, a Route Card Holder and A-Line sill Steps manipulated into prototype shape. The "B" ends features the Plate "A" Hand Brake arrangement. The Boys used 0.005 styrene to make the bracket for the Brake Reservoir and the Bracket used to secure the Brake Shaft.

Arguably the sweetest detail is the beautifully tooled Dalman Two-Level trucks from Tahoe/ Eventually the car will be painted Oxide Red and decaled with a Curt Fortenburry set.

Already built are three Clinchfield USRA and one  L&N copy or clone with more L&N to build. Wish I could find photo of camera shy Tenn. Central version.

Bill Welch





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Re: NC&StL HM-11 Two-Bay Hopper

Armand Premo
 

Bill,In the past it was  suggested that the kit was not accurate because of the rib spacing was not the USRA design.Did you have a problem with that ?Armand Premo

On Sat, Sep 8, 2018 at 1:05 PM, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:
The boys at the Clearwater Car Shops have another car ready for the Paint Shop. The NC&StL owned two groups of USRA design 2-bay hoppers that except for their trucks are exact copies of that design. The CCS used the Tichy kit and added a few enhancements like the Train Line along the right side of the car along with brackets, a Route Card Holder and A-Line sill Steps manipulated into prototype shape. The "B" ends features the Plate "A" Hand Brake arrangement. The Boys used 0.005 styrene to make the bracket for the Brake Reservoir and the Bracket used to secure the Brake Shaft.

Arguably the sweetest detail is the beautifully tooled Dalman Two-Level trucks from Tahoe/ Eventually the car will be painted Oxide Red and decaled with a Curt Fortenburry set.

Already built are three Clinchfield USRA and one  L&N copy or clone with more L&N to build. Wish I could find photo of camera shy Tenn. Central version.

Bill Welch



NC&StL HM-11 Two-Bay Hopper

Bill Welch
 

The boys at the Clearwater Car Shops have another car ready for the Paint Shop. The NC&StL owned two groups of USRA design 2-bay hoppers that except for their trucks are exact copies of that design. The CCS used the Tichy kit and added a few enhancements like the Train Line along the right side of the car along with brackets, a Route Card Holder and A-Line sill Steps manipulated into prototype shape. The "B" ends features the Plate "A" Hand Brake arrangement. The Boys used 0.005 styrene to make the bracket for the Brake Reservoir and the Bracket used to secure the Brake Shaft.

Arguably the sweetest detail is the beautifully tooled Dalman Two-Level trucks from Tahoe/ Eventually the car will be painted Oxide Red and decaled with a Curt Fortenburry set.

Already built are three Clinchfield USRA and one  L&N copy or clone with more L&N to build. Wish I could find photo of camera shy Tenn. Central version.

Bill Welch


Re: Can someone identify this truck?

Dave Parker
 

Garth:

The pedestal truck wasn't "loosely called"; it is precisely defined as such in my 1912 CBC.

In general, I would say these truck were rare.  Among northeastern roads, Fox trucks were as popular as they were anywhere, but even they only show up on a few roads and on certain classes of cars. The other designs (Schoen, Kindl) are even rarer in my experience.  In his June MRH article, Richard Bale says that the Schoen design was dropped in 1899 when Schoen and Fox merged to form Pressed Steel.

This has come up before, but my understanding/recollection is that Fox trucks were never banned from interchange, at least within the scope of the group (up to 1960).  Or, at least I am not aware of a ban on pedestal trucks generally.  Note that the Kindl truck that began this thread does not have a pressed steel sideframe as does the Fox.  It is built up of various shapes (including L-section it appears), and might have been subject to the ban on non-U-shaped trusses in the late 1950s.  Assuming there were any left in service of course.

Don, the ad that Brian posted only shows the image of the Cloud pedestal  (aka pressed steel) truck (the lower image).  There was also a Cloud archbar truck that can be seen in other ads from the same period.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA


Re: Can someone identify this truck?

Bill Daniels <billinsf@...>
 

Why are you shouting, Don. Oh, I see... you had caps lock on and didn’t notice it.

Bill Daniels


On Sep 8, 2018, at 7:50 AM, Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io <riverman_vt@...> wrote:

Hello Brian,

     ISN'T THE NAME RIGHT IN THE AD? i WOULD SAY IT IS A "CLOUD ARCH BAR TRUCK".

CORDIALLY, DON VALENTINE

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Re: Can someone identify this truck?

Donald B. Valentine
 

Hello Brian,

     ISN'T THE NAME RIGHT IN THE AD? i WOULD SAY IT IS A "CLOUD ARCH BAR TRUCK".

CORDIALLY, DON VALENTINE

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Re: Decal Set for Sunshine Models Kit No. 60.3 for Standard Brands Vinegar Tanker (Black Decals)

charles slater
 

Of course it is, did I say something wrong?
Charlie

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Decal Set for Sunshine Models Kit No. 60.3 for Standard Brands Vinegar Tanker (Black Decals)
 
Just to clear Trisha's last name is Lofton as in Trisha Lofton.

Bill Welch


Re: Decal Set for Sunshine Models Kit No. 60.3 for Standard Brands Vinegar Tanker (Black Decals)

Bill Welch
 

Just to clear Trisha's last name is Lofton as in Trisha Lofton.

Bill Welch


Re: Can someone identify this truck?

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Friends,

This discussion of the Kindl and now Cloud trucks has been very interesting. These trucks are, I believe, loosely called "pedestal" trucks, and seem to have a lot in common with the better-known Fox trucks.

So to keep this topic relevant to our group, how common would these pedestal trucks have been in their early years of our period? Were they eventually banned from interchange service, and if so when?

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

On 9/7/18 7:47 PM, brianleppert@... wrote:
Here is a Kindl ad from The Daily Railway Age Magazine, June 23, 1904.

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV
please visit www.resincarworks.com/tahoe.htm