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Re: on the left, there is a B&O gon

rwitt_2000
 

It is very blurry upon enlargement, but my guess is they are Tatum arch bar trucks. J. J. Tatum was The General Superintendent of the Car Department for the B&ORR. I can't find a photo, but have included the patent drawing for the truck side frame. He also created the wagon-top design, the raised roof for the class M-27 automobile boxcar, ladders, slack adjusters, box car doors, hopper heap shields, covered gondola, etc., etc.

Tatum thought to the end that the arch bar was the best solution as they were so easy to repair.

Bob Witt


Re: Andrews trucks was correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

Rod Miller
 

On 9/11/18 2:33 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
Speaking of Andrews trucks, I'm curious if there are any options for Andrews trucks with real springs that roll freely.
    What are called "real springs" may in fact be springs that COULD work, but in fact do not, unless car weight is several ounces or more. For some specifics on actual prototype trucks and what they look like, you may wish to look at my article in _Model Railroad Hobbyist_ in the issue for September 2016, which is available to read or download, for free, at any time, at their website, www.mrhmag.com <http://www.mrhmag.com> . Your call.
Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com <http://www.signaturepress.com>
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@... <mailto:tony@...>
Publishers of books on railroad history
My experience with re-springing several 1:48 X-10-X steam locos
is that it takes about 8 pounds of weight to compress 10 .015"
wire diameter springs so the the engine weight will "float" on
the springs.

For a simplistic approach, assume .015 approximates the diameter
of truck springs in HO scale. With 5 springs per truck you have
20 springs, so the car would have to weigh 16 pounds to "float"
on its springs.

--
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Calling Guy Wilbur

Bill Welch
 

Guy, your email address has gone astray on my end. Please email at fgexbill(at)tampabay.rr.com

I have an Auto Rack question for you. thank you

Bill Welch


Re: Andrews trucks was correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

James E Kubanick
 

John,

The old Lindberg, later E&B, Andrews trucks - being offered once again (possibly the C+D Line, mentioned by Mike Sshleigh) were my favorite sprung trucks. The springs were very soft on these trucks and you could actually see them compress as the car was loaded. I used to fit them with Kadee wheelsets to make them the most free-rolling and best tracking trucks I could find at that time.Today, the cars so fitted remain among the best running cars on my layout, but I am now equipping my fleet with the better looking solid trucks available today.

Jim Kubanick
Morgantown WV


On Tuesday, September 11, 2018 5:48 PM, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:


Some time ago, there was a thread about the pros and cons of metal springs in HO trucks, and the consensus was that sprung trucks look toy-like (my word) compared to trucks without metal springs because the springs are loosely coiled and are see-though. As I recall  Richard Hendrickson lead the rebellion against sprung trucks, since they in no way resemble the spring packages of prototype trucks. Some with an investment in sprung trucks glued a piece of black painted plastic behind the springs in an effort to block the see-though effect. Kadee is moving away from sprung trucks for new issues for this very reason. Perhaps the most prototypically faithful trucks available currently are those from Tahoe Model Works, and they do not have metal springs.
 
Nelson Moyer
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Schleigh Mike via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 3:13 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Andrews trucks was correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)
 
The old C+D truck line has a new owner via email [jmcncorp@...].  The previous owner supplied wheels at 0.100 and 0.088 inch width and this MAY still be an option.  The new company has an ad in the August issue of the NMRA Magazine.  These are sprung trucks in three styles and two colors.  They are very free rolling with the Intermountain wheels and axles.  I cannot speak to the veracity of these trucks meeting any particular prototypes.
 
Mike Schleigh in very wet Grove City, Penna.
 
On Tuesday, September 11, 2018, 3:36:18 PM EDT, john oseida via Groups.Io <xseinc@...> wrote:
 
 
Speaking of Andrews trucks, I'm curious if there are any options for Andrews trucks with real springs that roll freely.

Regards,

John Oseida
Oakville, ON
 
 
On Tuesday, September 11, 2018, 1:33:42 p.m. EDT, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:
 
 
To follow up on TMW trucks, it is possible to buy the trucks without wheel sets at $3.75 per pair and install your own wheels. I use Intermountain wheels. TMW doesn’t list that option on the order form, but just cross out the $8.35 per pair and specify that you want just the side frames.  Shipping is a very reasonable $3 .50 per order.
 
Nelson Moyer
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 8:22 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)
 
Hello Doug,
 
many thanks for your note. Westerfield has them listed, when I am at home I will try to order them.
Yes, Accurail trucks usually are nicely detailed and run very well, but unfortunately the brake shoes are not in gauge with the wheels, so there would be some work involved.
 
Many greetings
 
Johannes
 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2018 um 15:10 Uhr
Von: "Douglas Harding" <doug.harding@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
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If you can’t find the Tahoe trucks Nelson mentioned, look at the Accurail Andrews trucks. They are a very nice looking, inexpensive and when equipped with wheelsets from Intermoutain or Reboxx they roll very well.
 
Doug  Harding
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 8:07 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)
 
Hello Nelson,
 
MANY THANKS for your comprehensive reply! So I will use Andrews trucks on both cars, definitely. I am modeling the early POST-war years (I am sorry for the mistakenly written pre-war in my original post!) - the reweigh date on the cars is 8-48.
 
>> If any SM-18 or SM-18A cars got any of these other trucks, it would be an anomaly, and with only two cars, do you really want to model an anomaly? <<
 
No, not really. If I model an anomly it at least must have the proof to be accurate - which in this case wouldn't be.
 
Many thanks again!
 
Johannes
 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2018 um 14:51 Uhr
Von: "Nelson Moyer" <npmoyer@...>
An: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)
It depends upon what date(s) you intend to represent. SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars were built between 1926 and 1928, and they originally received arch bar trucks, but they received Andrews trucks before the arch bar ban for interchange. Since your cars have AB brakes, they would also have Andrews trucks. All photos of SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars I’ve seen show Andrews trucks. Later classes of CB&Q stock cars got Barber double truss lateral motion, Barber S-2A, ASF A-3 ride control, or Scullin self-aligning spring plankless trucks, but here is no evidence that I’m aware of where these trucks were ever used on SM-18 or SM-18A stock cars, which were retired in the late 1960s and early 1970s. A few cars lasted into the BN era. It also depends upon how strictly you wish to model the prototype. If you’re fudging other things, you may use whatever trucks you wish to use without regard for the prototype. If any SM-18 or SM-18A cars got any of these other trucks, it would be an anomaly, and with only two cars, do you really want to model an anomaly?  I have 24 SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars at present, and all roll very well on Tahoe Model Works Andrews trucks. Bottom line for you is the decision whether or not to be true to the prototype, or freelance.
 
Nelson Moyer
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 2:52 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)
 
Hello friends,

I have two CB&Q SM-18 stock cars needing new trucks for acceptable rolling ability. The current trucks are Andrews which I guess are entirely accurate for the cars. But would it also be accurate to equip one car with a different type of trucks? I just like to see some kind of difference on several cars of the same class.
The cars represent a pre-WWII version with AB brakes.

Many thanks for any information

Johannes
 
 



Re: correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

Nelson Moyer
 

Johannes, Ich weis nicht das Sie im Deutschland leben. That’s about all the German I remember so time to switch to English. I buy the side frames because it’s cheaper than buying trucks with wheel sets when I can buy Intermountain wheels by the 100 pack at discount prices. I appreciate Brian clarifying the prices, as there have probably been increases since I last ordered.

 

With respect to ribbed back wheels, they were indeed used, and Walthers sells them, however they are not turned steel, and they will accumulate gunk and spread it around on the rails. My experience with Athearn, Kadee, etc. sintered wheels is poor regarding keeping wheels and track clean.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 3:41 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

 

Many thanks, Nelson,

 

but

 

>> Shipping is a very reasonable $3 .50 per order. <<

 

this will be a little more to Germany ;-)

Furthermore very likely no difference either with or without wheelsets. Since I don't have (useable) spare wheelsets I have to order with them. I intended to ask what's wrong with the TAHOE wheelsets, but Brian Leppert thankfully already mentioned that the trucks have Intermountain wheelsets.

 

Many greetings

 

Johannes, also considering Kadee wheelsets because of their ribbed back side, which very likely were used on these stock cars...

 

Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2018 um 19:33 Uhr
Von: "Nelson Moyer" <npmoyer@...>
An: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

To follow up on TMW trucks, it is possible to buy the trucks without wheel sets at $3.75 per pair and install your own wheels. I use Intermountain wheels. TMW doesn’t list that option on the order form, but just cross out the $8.35 per pair and specify that you want just the side frames.  Shipping is a very reasonable $3 .50 per order.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 8:22 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

 

Hello Doug,

 

many thanks for your note. Westerfield has them listed, when I am at home I will try to order them.

Yes, Accurail trucks usually are nicely detailed and run very well, but unfortunately the brake shoes are not in gauge with the wheels, so there would be some work involved.

 

Many greetings

 

Johannes

 

Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2018 um 15:10 Uhr
Von: "Douglas Harding" <doug.harding@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

If you can’t find the Tahoe trucks Nelson mentioned, look at the Accurail Andrews trucks. They are a very nice looking, inexpensive and when equipped with wheelsets from Intermoutain or Reboxx they roll very well.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 8:07 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

 

Hello Nelson,

 

MANY THANKS for your comprehensive reply! So I will use Andrews trucks on both cars, definitely. I am modeling the early POST-war years (I am sorry for the mistakenly written pre-war in my original post!) - the reweigh date on the cars is 8-48.

 

>> If any SM-18 or SM-18A cars got any of these other trucks, it would be an anomaly, and with only two cars, do you really want to model an anomaly? <<

 

No, not really. If I model an anomly it at least must have the proof to be accurate - which in this case wouldn't be.

 

Many thanks again!

 

Johannes

 

Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2018 um 14:51 Uhr
Von: "Nelson Moyer" <npmoyer@...>
An: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

It depends upon what date(s) you intend to represent. SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars were built between 1926 and 1928, and they originally received arch bar trucks, but they received Andrews trucks before the arch bar ban for interchange. Since your cars have AB brakes, they would also have Andrews trucks. All photos of SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars I’ve seen show Andrews trucks. Later classes of CB&Q stock cars got Barber double truss lateral motion, Barber S-2A, ASF A-3 ride control, or Scullin self-aligning spring plankless trucks, but here is no evidence that I’m aware of where these trucks were ever used on SM-18 or SM-18A stock cars, which were retired in the late 1960s and early 1970s. A few cars lasted into the BN era. It also depends upon how strictly you wish to model the prototype. If you’re fudging other things, you may use whatever trucks you wish to use without regard for the prototype. If any SM-18 or SM-18A cars got any of these other trucks, it would be an anomaly, and with only two cars, do you really want to model an anomaly?  I have 24 SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars at present, and all roll very well on Tahoe Model Works Andrews trucks. Bottom line for you is the decision whether or not to be true to the prototype, or freelance.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 2:52 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

 

Hello friends,

I have two CB&Q SM-18 stock cars needing new trucks for acceptable rolling ability. The current trucks are Andrews which I guess are entirely accurate for the cars. But would it also be accurate to equip one car with a different type of trucks? I just like to see some kind of difference on several cars of the same class.
The cars represent a pre-WWII version with AB brakes.

Many thanks for any information

Johannes

 

 

 


Re: Andrews trucks was correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

Nelson Moyer
 

Some time ago, there was a thread about the pros and cons of metal springs in HO trucks, and the consensus was that sprung trucks look toy-like (my word) compared to trucks without metal springs because the springs are loosely coiled and are see-though. As I recall  Richard Hendrickson lead the rebellion against sprung trucks, since they in no way resemble the spring packages of prototype trucks. Some with an investment in sprung trucks glued a piece of black painted plastic behind the springs in an effort to block the see-though effect. Kadee is moving away from sprung trucks for new issues for this very reason. Perhaps the most prototypically faithful trucks available currently are those from Tahoe Model Works, and they do not have metal springs.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Schleigh Mike via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 3:13 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Andrews trucks was correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

 

The old C+D truck line has a new owner via email [jmcncorp@...].  The previous owner supplied wheels at 0.100 and 0.088 inch width and this MAY still be an option.  The new company has an ad in the August issue of the NMRA Magazine.  These are sprung trucks in three styles and two colors.  They are very free rolling with the Intermountain wheels and axles.  I cannot speak to the veracity of these trucks meeting any particular prototypes.

 

Mike Schleigh in very wet Grove City, Penna.

 

On Tuesday, September 11, 2018, 3:36:18 PM EDT, john oseida via Groups.Io <xseinc@...> wrote:

 

 

Speaking of Andrews trucks, I'm curious if there are any options for Andrews trucks with real springs that roll freely.

Regards,

John Oseida
Oakville, ON

 

 

On Tuesday, September 11, 2018, 1:33:42 p.m. EDT, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:

 

 

To follow up on TMW trucks, it is possible to buy the trucks without wheel sets at $3.75 per pair and install your own wheels. I use Intermountain wheels. TMW doesn’t list that option on the order form, but just cross out the $8.35 per pair and specify that you want just the side frames.  Shipping is a very reasonable $3 .50 per order.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 8:22 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

 

Hello Doug,

 

many thanks for your note. Westerfield has them listed, when I am at home I will try to order them.

Yes, Accurail trucks usually are nicely detailed and run very well, but unfortunately the brake shoes are not in gauge with the wheels, so there would be some work involved.

 

Many greetings

 

Johannes

 

Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2018 um 15:10 Uhr
Von: "Douglas Harding" <doug.harding@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

If you can’t find the Tahoe trucks Nelson mentioned, look at the Accurail Andrews trucks. They are a very nice looking, inexpensive and when equipped with wheelsets from Intermoutain or Reboxx they roll very well.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 8:07 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

 

Hello Nelson,

 

MANY THANKS for your comprehensive reply! So I will use Andrews trucks on both cars, definitely. I am modeling the early POST-war years (I am sorry for the mistakenly written pre-war in my original post!) - the reweigh date on the cars is 8-48.

 

>> If any SM-18 or SM-18A cars got any of these other trucks, it would be an anomaly, and with only two cars, do you really want to model an anomaly? <<

 

No, not really. If I model an anomly it at least must have the proof to be accurate - which in this case wouldn't be.

 

Many thanks again!

 

Johannes

 

Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2018 um 14:51 Uhr
Von: "Nelson Moyer" <npmoyer@...>
An: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

It depends upon what date(s) you intend to represent. SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars were built between 1926 and 1928, and they originally received arch bar trucks, but they received Andrews trucks before the arch bar ban for interchange. Since your cars have AB brakes, they would also have Andrews trucks. All photos of SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars I’ve seen show Andrews trucks. Later classes of CB&Q stock cars got Barber double truss lateral motion, Barber S-2A, ASF A-3 ride control, or Scullin self-aligning spring plankless trucks, but here is no evidence that I’m aware of where these trucks were ever used on SM-18 or SM-18A stock cars, which were retired in the late 1960s and early 1970s. A few cars lasted into the BN era. It also depends upon how strictly you wish to model the prototype. If you’re fudging other things, you may use whatever trucks you wish to use without regard for the prototype. If any SM-18 or SM-18A cars got any of these other trucks, it would be an anomaly, and with only two cars, do you really want to model an anomaly?  I have 24 SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars at present, and all roll very well on Tahoe Model Works Andrews trucks. Bottom line for you is the decision whether or not to be true to the prototype, or freelance.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 2:52 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

 

Hello friends,

I have two CB&Q SM-18 stock cars needing new trucks for acceptable rolling ability. The current trucks are Andrews which I guess are entirely accurate for the cars. But would it also be accurate to equip one car with a different type of trucks? I just like to see some kind of difference on several cars of the same class.
The cars represent a pre-WWII version with AB brakes.

Many thanks for any information

Johannes

 

 


RPM Chicagoland - 25 Years and More of Prototype Modeling Advancements

skibbs4
 

A question to the group: If you were pulling together a museum display of kits and models that told the story of the RPM movement, what would you include?
 
A major theme of this year's 25th anniversary event is looking back at the history of the prototype modeling movement and celebrating how far modeling has come through the fellowship of RPM events.
 
We'd like to see those improvements in the display room this year, and to that end, we're inviting everyone in attendance to bring models that may be languishing in storage. 
 
Have original Sunshine Model kits, even un-built?  Bring them for display.
 
Have some of Richard Hendrickson's Westrail conversions from 30+ years ago?  Bring them for display.
 
Have some old Athearn Blue Box models that you reworked back in the day?  Bring those too! 
 
Heck, I'm even pulling together stuff from prior decades when American Flyer 2-rail was advertised as more prototypical than Lionel's three rail!  Lets show the history of this fine hobby and show just how far we've come and reminisce with the live history that we can show on the tables.  We plan to have tables available and we can group models by decade for a historical display.
 
Attendees are encouraged to bring their latest models too.  But what else can you pull out of storage that helps tell the story?

Mike Skibbe


Re: Andrews trucks was correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

Tony Thompson
 

Speaking of Andrews trucks, I'm curious if there are any options for Andrews trucks with real springs that roll freely.

    What are called "real springs" may in fact be springs that COULD work, but in fact do not, unless car weight is several ounces or more. For some specifics on actual prototype trucks and what they look like, you may wish to look at my article in _Model Railroad Hobbyist_ in the issue for September 2016, which is available to read or download, for free, at any time, at their website, www.mrhmag.com . Your call.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






Re: correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

Dave Parker
 

Johannes:

The Kadee wheels have ~1.018-inch axles, versus ~1.005 for the Intermountains.   I don't the TMW trucks will roll very well without modification if you install Kadee wheels.

Apologies for the non-metric units; I was in hurry here.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA


Re: correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

vapeurchapelon
 

Interesting point, Bill,
 
many thanks. Btw, what do you thingk about Kadees HGC trucks, regarding their proportions? For my PFE R70-2 reefers I used these Kadee 70ton trucks because their springs (three outside) match the prototype photos. These are my first Kadee HGC trucks, and I was surprised how big - > broad they are. Looking good with the large cars, just wondering.
 
Many greetings
 
Johannes
 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2018 um 16:12 Uhr
Von: "Bill Welch" <fgexbill@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
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Just my opinion but although Accurail Andrew are nicely detailed I think they are too long and on a model they are too big, especially if you have a car next to it with the Tahoe truck. On a stock car they look out of proportion. Again just my opinion.

Bill Welch


Re: correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

vapeurchapelon
 

Many thanks, Nelson,
 
but
 
>> Shipping is a very reasonable $3 .50 per order. <<
 
this will be a little more to Germany ;-)
Furthermore very likely no difference either with or without wheelsets. Since I don't have (useable) spare wheelsets I have to order with them. I intended to ask what's wrong with the TAHOE wheelsets, but Brian Leppert thankfully already mentioned that the trucks have Intermountain wheelsets.
 
Many greetings
 
Johannes, also considering Kadee wheelsets because of their ribbed back side, which very likely were used on these stock cars...
 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2018 um 19:33 Uhr
Von: "Nelson Moyer" <npmoyer@...>
An: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

To follow up on TMW trucks, it is possible to buy the trucks without wheel sets at $3.75 per pair and install your own wheels. I use Intermountain wheels. TMW doesn’t list that option on the order form, but just cross out the $8.35 per pair and specify that you want just the side frames.  Shipping is a very reasonable $3 .50 per order.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 8:22 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

 

Hello Doug,

 

many thanks for your note. Westerfield has them listed, when I am at home I will try to order them.

Yes, Accurail trucks usually are nicely detailed and run very well, but unfortunately the brake shoes are not in gauge with the wheels, so there would be some work involved.

 

Many greetings

 

Johannes

 

Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2018 um 15:10 Uhr
Von: "Douglas Harding" <doug.harding@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

If you can’t find the Tahoe trucks Nelson mentioned, look at the Accurail Andrews trucks. They are a very nice looking, inexpensive and when equipped with wheelsets from Intermoutain or Reboxx they roll very well.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 8:07 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

 

Hello Nelson,

 

MANY THANKS for your comprehensive reply! So I will use Andrews trucks on both cars, definitely. I am modeling the early POST-war years (I am sorry for the mistakenly written pre-war in my original post!) - the reweigh date on the cars is 8-48.

 

>> If any SM-18 or SM-18A cars got any of these other trucks, it would be an anomaly, and with only two cars, do you really want to model an anomaly? <<

 

No, not really. If I model an anomly it at least must have the proof to be accurate - which in this case wouldn't be.

 

Many thanks again!

 

Johannes

 

Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2018 um 14:51 Uhr
Von: "Nelson Moyer" <npmoyer@...>
An: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

It depends upon what date(s) you intend to represent. SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars were built between 1926 and 1928, and they originally received arch bar trucks, but they received Andrews trucks before the arch bar ban for interchange. Since your cars have AB brakes, they would also have Andrews trucks. All photos of SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars I’ve seen show Andrews trucks. Later classes of CB&Q stock cars got Barber double truss lateral motion, Barber S-2A, ASF A-3 ride control, or Scullin self-aligning spring plankless trucks, but here is no evidence that I’m aware of where these trucks were ever used on SM-18 or SM-18A stock cars, which were retired in the late 1960s and early 1970s. A few cars lasted into the BN era. It also depends upon how strictly you wish to model the prototype. If you’re fudging other things, you may use whatever trucks you wish to use without regard for the prototype. If any SM-18 or SM-18A cars got any of these other trucks, it would be an anomaly, and with only two cars, do you really want to model an anomaly?  I have 24 SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars at present, and all roll very well on Tahoe Model Works Andrews trucks. Bottom line for you is the decision whether or not to be true to the prototype, or freelance.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 2:52 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

 

Hello friends,

I have two CB&Q SM-18 stock cars needing new trucks for acceptable rolling ability. The current trucks are Andrews which I guess are entirely accurate for the cars. But would it also be accurate to equip one car with a different type of trucks? I just like to see some kind of difference on several cars of the same class.
The cars represent a pre-WWII version with AB brakes.

Many thanks for any information

Johannes

 

 

 


Re: Andrews trucks was correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

Schleigh Mike
 

The old C+D truck line has a new owner via email [jmcncorp@...].  The previous owner supplied wheels at 0.100 and 0.088 inch width and this MAY still be an option.  The new company has an ad in the August issue of the NMRA Magazine.  These are sprung trucks in three styles and two colors.  They are very free rolling with the Intermountain wheels and axles.  I cannot speak to the veracity of these trucks meeting any particular prototypes.

Mike Schleigh in very wet Grove City, Penna.

On Tuesday, September 11, 2018, 3:36:18 PM EDT, john oseida via Groups.Io <xseinc@...> wrote:


Speaking of Andrews trucks, I'm curious if there are any options for Andrews trucks with real springs that roll freely.

Regards,

John Oseida
Oakville, ON



On Tuesday, September 11, 2018, 1:33:42 p.m. EDT, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:


To follow up on TMW trucks, it is possible to buy the trucks without wheel sets at $3.75 per pair and install your own wheels. I use Intermountain wheels. TMW doesn’t list that option on the order form, but just cross out the $8.35 per pair and specify that you want just the side frames.  Shipping is a very reasonable $3 .50 per order.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 8:22 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

 

Hello Doug,

 

many thanks for your note. Westerfield has them listed, when I am at home I will try to order them.

Yes, Accurail trucks usually are nicely detailed and run very well, but unfortunately the brake shoes are not in gauge with the wheels, so there would be some work involved.

 

Many greetings

 

Johannes

 

Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2018 um 15:10 Uhr
Von: "Douglas Harding" <doug.harding@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

If you can’t find the Tahoe trucks Nelson mentioned, look at the Accurail Andrews trucks. They are a very nice looking, inexpensive and when equipped with wheelsets from Intermoutain or Reboxx they roll very well.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 8:07 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

 

Hello Nelson,

 

MANY THANKS for your comprehensive reply! So I will use Andrews trucks on both cars, definitely. I am modeling the early POST-war years (I am sorry for the mistakenly written pre-war in my original post!) - the reweigh date on the cars is 8-48.

 

>> If any SM-18 or SM-18A cars got any of these other trucks, it would be an anomaly, and with only two cars, do you really want to model an anomaly? <<

 

No, not really. If I model an anomly it at least must have the proof to be accurate - which in this case wouldn't be.

 

Many thanks again!

 

Johannes

 

Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2018 um 14:51 Uhr
Von: "Nelson Moyer" <npmoyer@...>
An: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

It depends upon what date(s) you intend to represent. SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars were built between 1926 and 1928, and they originally received arch bar trucks, but they received Andrews trucks before the arch bar ban for interchange. Since your cars have AB brakes, they would also have Andrews trucks. All photos of SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars I’ve seen show Andrews trucks. Later classes of CB&Q stock cars got Barber double truss lateral motion, Barber S-2A, ASF A-3 ride control, or Scullin self-aligning spring plankless trucks, but here is no evidence that I’m aware of where these trucks were ever used on SM-18 or SM-18A stock cars, which were retired in the late 1960s and early 1970s. A few cars lasted into the BN era. It also depends upon how strictly you wish to model the prototype. If you’re fudging other things, you may use whatever trucks you wish to use without regard for the prototype. If any SM-18 or SM-18A cars got any of these other trucks, it would be an anomaly, and with only two cars, do you really want to model an anomaly?  I have 24 SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars at present, and all roll very well on Tahoe Model Works Andrews trucks. Bottom line for you is the decision whether or not to be true to the prototype, or freelance.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 2:52 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

 

Hello friends,

I have two CB&Q SM-18 stock cars needing new trucks for acceptable rolling ability. The current trucks are Andrews which I guess are entirely accurate for the cars. But would it also be accurate to equip one car with a different type of trucks? I just like to see some kind of difference on several cars of the same class.
The cars represent a pre-WWII version with AB brakes.

Many thanks for any information

Johannes

 

 


Re: Andrews trucks was correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

john oseida
 

Speaking of Andrews trucks, I'm curious if there are any options for Andrews trucks with real springs that roll freely.

Regards,

John Oseida
Oakville, ON



On Tuesday, September 11, 2018, 1:33:42 p.m. EDT, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:


To follow up on TMW trucks, it is possible to buy the trucks without wheel sets at $3.75 per pair and install your own wheels. I use Intermountain wheels. TMW doesn’t list that option on the order form, but just cross out the $8.35 per pair and specify that you want just the side frames.  Shipping is a very reasonable $3 .50 per order.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 8:22 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

 

Hello Doug,

 

many thanks for your note. Westerfield has them listed, when I am at home I will try to order them.

Yes, Accurail trucks usually are nicely detailed and run very well, but unfortunately the brake shoes are not in gauge with the wheels, so there would be some work involved.

 

Many greetings

 

Johannes

 

Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2018 um 15:10 Uhr
Von: "Douglas Harding" <doug.harding@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

If you can’t find the Tahoe trucks Nelson mentioned, look at the Accurail Andrews trucks. They are a very nice looking, inexpensive and when equipped with wheelsets from Intermoutain or Reboxx they roll very well.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 8:07 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

 

Hello Nelson,

 

MANY THANKS for your comprehensive reply! So I will use Andrews trucks on both cars, definitely. I am modeling the early POST-war years (I am sorry for the mistakenly written pre-war in my original post!) - the reweigh date on the cars is 8-48.

 

>> If any SM-18 or SM-18A cars got any of these other trucks, it would be an anomaly, and with only two cars, do you really want to model an anomaly? <<

 

No, not really. If I model an anomly it at least must have the proof to be accurate - which in this case wouldn't be.

 

Many thanks again!

 

Johannes

 

Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2018 um 14:51 Uhr
Von: "Nelson Moyer" <npmoyer@...>
An: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

It depends upon what date(s) you intend to represent. SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars were built between 1926 and 1928, and they originally received arch bar trucks, but they received Andrews trucks before the arch bar ban for interchange. Since your cars have AB brakes, they would also have Andrews trucks. All photos of SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars I’ve seen show Andrews trucks. Later classes of CB&Q stock cars got Barber double truss lateral motion, Barber S-2A, ASF A-3 ride control, or Scullin self-aligning spring plankless trucks, but here is no evidence that I’m aware of where these trucks were ever used on SM-18 or SM-18A stock cars, which were retired in the late 1960s and early 1970s. A few cars lasted into the BN era. It also depends upon how strictly you wish to model the prototype. If you’re fudging other things, you may use whatever trucks you wish to use without regard for the prototype. If any SM-18 or SM-18A cars got any of these other trucks, it would be an anomaly, and with only two cars, do you really want to model an anomaly?  I have 24 SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars at present, and all roll very well on Tahoe Model Works Andrews trucks. Bottom line for you is the decision whether or not to be true to the prototype, or freelance.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 2:52 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

 

Hello friends,

I have two CB&Q SM-18 stock cars needing new trucks for acceptable rolling ability. The current trucks are Andrews which I guess are entirely accurate for the cars. But would it also be accurate to equip one car with a different type of trucks? I just like to see some kind of difference on several cars of the same class.
The cars represent a pre-WWII version with AB brakes.

Many thanks for any information

Johannes

 

 


Re: correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

brianleppert@att.net
 

Tahoe Model Works sells trucks without wheelsets for $4.50 per pair.  Westerfield's price is probably less.  When ordering wheel-less trucks from TMW, $3.50 will cover shipping, but any orders for trucks with wheelsets will need $4.00 for shipping.

InterMountain supplies wheelsets to Tahoe Model Works.

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV

please visit www.resincarworks.com/tahoe.htm


Re: correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

Nelson Moyer
 

To follow up on TMW trucks, it is possible to buy the trucks without wheel sets at $3.75 per pair and install your own wheels. I use Intermountain wheels. TMW doesn’t list that option on the order form, but just cross out the $8.35 per pair and specify that you want just the side frames.  Shipping is a very reasonable $3 .50 per order.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 8:22 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

 

Hello Doug,

 

many thanks for your note. Westerfield has them listed, when I am at home I will try to order them.

Yes, Accurail trucks usually are nicely detailed and run very well, but unfortunately the brake shoes are not in gauge with the wheels, so there would be some work involved.

 

Many greetings

 

Johannes

 

Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2018 um 15:10 Uhr
Von: "Douglas Harding" <doug.harding@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

If you can’t find the Tahoe trucks Nelson mentioned, look at the Accurail Andrews trucks. They are a very nice looking, inexpensive and when equipped with wheelsets from Intermoutain or Reboxx they roll very well.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 8:07 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

 

Hello Nelson,

 

MANY THANKS for your comprehensive reply! So I will use Andrews trucks on both cars, definitely. I am modeling the early POST-war years (I am sorry for the mistakenly written pre-war in my original post!) - the reweigh date on the cars is 8-48.

 

>> If any SM-18 or SM-18A cars got any of these other trucks, it would be an anomaly, and with only two cars, do you really want to model an anomaly? <<

 

No, not really. If I model an anomly it at least must have the proof to be accurate - which in this case wouldn't be.

 

Many thanks again!

 

Johannes

 

Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2018 um 14:51 Uhr
Von: "Nelson Moyer" <npmoyer@...>
An: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

It depends upon what date(s) you intend to represent. SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars were built between 1926 and 1928, and they originally received arch bar trucks, but they received Andrews trucks before the arch bar ban for interchange. Since your cars have AB brakes, they would also have Andrews trucks. All photos of SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars I’ve seen show Andrews trucks. Later classes of CB&Q stock cars got Barber double truss lateral motion, Barber S-2A, ASF A-3 ride control, or Scullin self-aligning spring plankless trucks, but here is no evidence that I’m aware of where these trucks were ever used on SM-18 or SM-18A stock cars, which were retired in the late 1960s and early 1970s. A few cars lasted into the BN era. It also depends upon how strictly you wish to model the prototype. If you’re fudging other things, you may use whatever trucks you wish to use without regard for the prototype. If any SM-18 or SM-18A cars got any of these other trucks, it would be an anomaly, and with only two cars, do you really want to model an anomaly?  I have 24 SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars at present, and all roll very well on Tahoe Model Works Andrews trucks. Bottom line for you is the decision whether or not to be true to the prototype, or freelance.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 2:52 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

 

Hello friends,

I have two CB&Q SM-18 stock cars needing new trucks for acceptable rolling ability. The current trucks are Andrews which I guess are entirely accurate for the cars. But would it also be accurate to equip one car with a different type of trucks? I just like to see some kind of difference on several cars of the same class.
The cars represent a pre-WWII version with AB brakes.

Many thanks for any information

Johannes

 

 


Re: Archer Decals - Fwd: HURRICANE FLORENCE headed our way

Tim O'Connor
 


lol - I guess I thought they were English because the woman salesperson
who came to some RPM meets had an English accent. Doh. :-[ :-D


So far as I can recall, Archer was always located in NC. But then I never really paid any attention to them until someone discovered their rivet decals. That was what seemed to get the interest of model railroaders.
Yes, being what started out as military modeler company, it would seem rather likely they could have been somewhere in Europe. And there are several companies that supply detailing items in Canada. But I do not believe that to be the case here.
John Hagen
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [ mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 10:44 AM
To: stmfc
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Archer Decals - Fwd: HURRICANE FLORENCE headed our way
 

What the... ?? I just received this from ARCHER and I thought to ask here -
did ARCHER relocate to the United States? If so, that's good news, but it's news
to me in any case!

Tim O'

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Archer Decals - Fwd: HURRICANE FLORENCE headed our way

John Hagen <sprinthag@...>
 

So far as I can recall, Archer was always located in NC. But then I never really paid any attention to them until someone discovered their rivet decals. That was what seemed to get the interest of model railroaders.

Yes, being what started out as military modeler company, it would seem rather likely they could have been somewhere in Europe. And there are several companies that supply detailing items in Canada. But I do not believe that to be the case here.

John Hagen

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 10:44 AM
To: stmfc
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Archer Decals - Fwd: HURRICANE FLORENCE headed our way

 


What the... ?? I just received this from ARCHER and I thought to ask here -
did ARCHER relocate to the United States? If so, that's good news, but it's news
to me in any case!

Tim O'


===============================



HURRICANE FORENCE

As of today it appears we are directly in the path of Hurricane Florence and this could result in a major disruption of our operations. 


We are closing today, Tuesday, Sept 11th and we will be spending all of our time preparing for this storm, so orders received after this morning until further notice will most likely be delayed.

Although the possibility of serious property damage is not high we will most likely be without electricity for a time if the storm hits our area. This will mean we will not be able process shipping labels. Unfortunately, we are located in a rural area, not on a high priority grid and unlikely to have power restored quickly.

You can track the course of the storm HERE
We are located directly above the NC on the map.
Archer Fine Transfers, PO Box 1277, Youngsville, NC 27596

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More Steamtown Images (X5122-X5127)

Richard Brennan
 

There are photos...
and then there are photos that let you count growth rings on the brake platform!
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-09-11-18/X5127.jpg

More goodness on the ErieLack list from Pat McKnight at NPS Steamtown.

--------------------
Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
--------------------

From: "McKnight, Richard" <pat_mcknight@...>
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 05:32:51 -0400
Subject: (erielack) Steamtown Images--September 11, 2018--X Series (X5122-X5127)
To: EL Mail List <erielack@...>

http://lists.railfan.net/listthumb.cgi?erielack-09-11-18

X5122.jpg (image/jpeg, 2878x2199 1052581 bytes, BF: 6.01 ppb)
X5124.jpg (image/jpeg, 2878x2199 795515 bytes, BF: 7.96 ppb)
X5125.jpg (image/jpeg, 2199x2878 939382 bytes, BF: 6.74 ppb)
X5126.jpg (image/jpeg, 2878x2199 1003299 bytes, BF: 6.31 ppb)
X5127.jpg (image/jpeg, 2878x2199 1036588 bytes, BF: 6.11 ppb)

X5122--Boxcar no. 46262--Coupler [1926-1927]
X5124--Boxcar no. 46262--3/4 view [1926-1927]
X5125--Boxcar no. 46262--End [1926-1927]
X5126--New York Central gondola no. 339072--End [1926-1927]
X5127--New York Central gondola no. 339072--Coupler [1926-1927]

--
Patrick McKnight
Historian/Archivist
Steamtown NHS


Re: on the left, there is a B&O gon

D. Scott Chatfield
 

Speaking of trucks, the B&O gon's trucks look unusual.  Any thoughts?

And no, I have no idea why those two panels are deeper.  The car appears to have KC brakes, so it's not protecting the brake gear.  Hmmmm


Scott Chatfield


Re: on the left, there is a B&O gon

Jim Betz
 

Scott,
  Thanks for the answer.  I have never seen that before and so I 
suspected it was a practice/method that was discontinued due to
better methods being developed.
  You have to admit it is truly weird/strange/curious/whatever!
                                                                                                   - Jim B.