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Detailing F&C GN Truss Rod Boxcar: Bolster Area, Stemwinder Brake Wheel, final truss rods etc.

Bill Welch
 

I decided to finish the assembly of the F&C GN Truss Rod boxcar and added the last four truss rods and turnbuckles, the ones that are on the outside. As with the interior Queen Posts the exterior QP assemblies needed to be trimmed and fitted for proper alignment. I have already described how I prefer to do truss rods and turnbuckles so I will not repeat that here.

Prototype photos of these cars clearly show there are channels that make up the bolsters but F&C seems to have ignored this. I decided to model only the ends of the bolsters using a .010 x .040 and two .010 x .020's to form the channel. I then added a .005 styrene cap to the ends. One of the charms of these cars that provide so much character in my opinion are the way the vertical brake shaft extends so high. I may fine tune the height of the wire.

The model sits on Tahoe Andrews Trucks. These cars rode on a variety of truck but I like the look of Andrews for this car.

Bill Welch


Detailing F&C GN Truss Rod Boxcar: Running Board

Bill Welch
 

Given the amount of time and energy I have invested in this model I decided to go a little further and scratch build its wood running board. My favorite strip wood is Mt. Albert and here I used their #MA103P12. When I first started building wood Running Boards I made a Fixture to help me but overtime found I could do it faster on the actual roof. I use strips of 0.005 to help hold them together as I build them upside down on the roof using tape to keep things in place. As can be seen in the photos Vacant spaces are left for new replacement boards. The Latitudinals are arranged perpendicular to the main running board, an arrangement used by the USRA cars as well. The eyebolts for the hand grabs are from Yarmouth. As you can see in the photos one wire leg of the corner grabs is left long on each end to index into a matching hole in the roof making it easy to place the running board in proper orientation when ready to glue it place. The running board will be attached permanently  after the model is primed.

Bill Welch


Detailing F&C GN Truss Rod Boxcar: Door Stops

Bill Welch
 

I was not impressed with the cast-on doors stops and decided I want something finer. For a base I used .010 x .020 strip styrene and with Testors tacked this on the back of a steel ruler. Next I used slices of 0.005 to make the flanges and carefully glued these to the base, blowing on the Testors to speed its curing. Leaving this overnight to cure I peeled the parts up with a Single Edge Razor Blade and nipped of the excess .005 styrene. The excess length of .010 x .020 strip provided a handle to make this small part easier to handle plus I could use tape over it to keep it in place on the car side. Then I wicked a bit of CA under it to secure it and then used a Single Edge Razor Blade to cut the "handle" off.

Bill Welch


Harrisburg Car Co.'s Exhibit

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Friends,

A search on Wikipedia ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rolling_stock_manufacturers#United_States ) shows that the Harrisburg Car Manufacturing Co. was active from 1853-1890. University of Pennsylvania libraries have other neat photos of their cars online at http://www.library.upenn.edu/collections/rbm/photos/harrisburgcar/ . You might also find this surviving 1888 tank car of interest: http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=34090 .

They apparently left railroad car building, but made other things, and became Harrisburg Steel Corporation in 1935. The company continues today as a railway/industrial service company under the name HARSCO: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harsco .

Your Aye,


Garth Groff 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿


Re: Harrisburg Car Co.'s Exhibit

G.J. Irwin
 

For what it's worth, Micro-Trains has done a "Merchants Despatch Four-Pack," a "White Line Four-Pack" and a "Red Line Four-Pack" in N Scale on their Civil War Era cars.  I anticipate there will be a "Blue Line Four-Pack" at some point as well.   These photos plus the one in the Merchants Despatch book appear to be among the source material Micro-Trains used. 

Interestingly, according to the Merchants Despatch book, the MDT had already stopped painting their own cars by "color line," preferring to go with a less-restrictive MDT scheme-- though the red, white and blue stripes at the bottom of the "classic" MDT refrigerator scheme are a reference to those three Fast Freight Lines.   So it's not surprising that the 1876 photo has White, Red and Blue line cars lettered for railroads in the New York Central's "family tree."

George "you've forgotten more than I know" Irwin
www.irwinsjournal.com


Re: ERDX Reefers.

Armand Premo
 

Thank you Seth.I'll check my wheel reports for specific numbers.Thanks again.Armand Premo

On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 4:57 AM, Seth Lakin via Groups.Io <lakinsa@...> wrote:
Armand, there are many different groups of ERDX reefers. What series do you want to know about? 

http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/NYC-MODELS-FREIGHT2.htm

Near the bottom of the list are ERDX reefers. I don’t know if the list is complete or not.

i have a file of data and a building plan to model a car in the 11000-11049 series. I think I may have a data file on the 10000-10099 series also but no building plan. 

Seth Lakin
Michigan City IN



Re: ERDX Reefers.

Seth Lakin
 

Armand, there are many different groups of ERDX reefers. What series do you want to know about? 

http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/NYC-MODELS-FREIGHT2.htm

Near the bottom of the list are ERDX reefers. I don’t know if the list is complete or not.

i have a file of data and a building plan to model a car in the 11000-11049 series. I think I may have a data file on the 10000-10099 series also but no building plan. 

Seth Lakin
Michigan City IN


Re: Sad news

John Swanson <dwlscbq@...>
 

Tom;
Please accept my depest sympathy for you loss of your wife and partner. I lost my wife after 50 yearsand I understand the loss you feel.
 
John Swanson


Re: Harrisburg Car Co.'s Exhibit

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Zoomed in, the MDT sigh says “New York and Boston.”  It also says “OOOO Freight  Line” beneath the banner, might be (probably is) “Fast Freight Line.”

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralph W. Brown
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 11:00 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Harrisburg Car Co.'s Exhibit

 

Hi Richard,

 

There is a sign on the roof over the three cars on the left, NYC&HRRR red Line, White Line and Blue Line cars respectively from left to right, that reads: “The New York Central & Hudson River Rail Road Company” on the upper line and “Freight Taken From the Atlantic to the Pacific Without Transfer” on the lower line.  The roof over the MDT car has a sign that reads: “Merchants Dispatch Transportation Co.”  Unfortunately, I can’t make out the rest of the message.

 

Pax,

 

 

Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com

 

From: Richard Townsend via Groups.Io

Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 9:23 PM

Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Harrisburg Car Co.'s Exhibit

 

Roger Hinman's Merchants Despatch book has a couple of related photos of the same exhibit on p. 90. According to the captions it was the NYC&HR RR's display at the 1876 Philadelphia Centennial. I know that's not conclusive, but it does support the other evidence of it being the Centennial exhibition.

 

Richard Townsend

Lincoln City, OR

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Mullen <jack.f.mullen@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Sep 5, 2018 4:49 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Harrisburg Car Co.'s Exhibit

Dennis,

I suppose the library may have miscategorized the photos, but the numbering and style of the caption block is certainly consistent with that on other photos clearly of Centennial exhibits.

Possibly the exhibit is listed under NYC&HR, per the sign at the right end of the pavilion roof?

An apology; my post looks like a rather stupid reply to yours, but it's actually a direct reply to the OP before I saw you had covered the matter in more detail. And my bad for Exposition instead of Exhibition. I suppose I have the Columbian and other later fairs more firmly lodged in my mind.

Jack Mullen


Re: Harrisburg Car Co.'s Exhibit

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Rather ironic that the display by the  NYC&HRR (note the sign on the roof of the shed) of their freight cars, shows cars that were built by the Harrisburg Car Company, from deep in enemy territory!

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 5:57 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Harrisburg Car Co.'s Exhibit

 

I suspect they are exhibits at the Centennial International Exhibition of 1876, the first official World's Fair in the United States, was held in
PhiladelphiaPennsylvania, from May 10 to November 10, 1876, to celebrate the 100th anniversary of the signing of the Declaration of Independence in Philadelphia.

Information from Wikipedia.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Harrisburg Car Co.'s Exhibit

Dennis Storzek
 

On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 04:49 PM, Jack Mullen wrote:
Possibly the exhibit is listed under NYC&HR, per the sign at the right end of the pavilion roof?
Yeah, sorry, I think I introduced exposition into this discussion, also thinking of the World's Columbian...

It's interesting that just a dozen years after Matthew Brady, the entire Exhibition grounds was photographed in exceedingly high resolution. While I did find the Hungarian Wine Pavilion, I can't find the Harrisburg Car Co. A full list of exhibitors would at least prove they, or the NYC&HRR, were NOT there, but while the library says they have such a list, it is not available on line.

The other way to date this would be to establish dates of use for the Red Line, Blue Line, White Line, etc., but I'm satisfied it is 1870's or early eighties at the latest. Nobody models that period anyway, and IIRC it is actually out of scope for this list.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Harrisburg Car Co.'s Exhibit

Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Richard,
 
There is a sign on the roof over the three cars on the left, NYC&HRRR red Line, White Line and Blue Line cars respectively from left to right, that reads: “The New York Central & Hudson River Rail Road Company” on the upper line and “Freight Taken From the Atlantic to the Pacific Without Transfer” on the lower line.  The roof over the MDT car has a sign that reads: “Merchants Dispatch Transportation Co.”  Unfortunately, I can’t make out the rest of the message.
 
Pax,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 

From: Richard Townsend via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 9:23 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Harrisburg Car Co.'s Exhibit
 
Roger Hinman's Merchants Despatch book has a couple of related photos of the same exhibit on p. 90. According to the captions it was the NYC&HR RR's display at the 1876 Philadelphia Centennial. I know that's not conclusive, but it does support the other evidence of it being the Centennial exhibition.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Mullen <jack.f.mullen@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Sep 5, 2018 4:49 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Harrisburg Car Co.'s Exhibit

Dennis,

I suppose the library may have miscategorized the photos, but the numbering and style of the caption block is certainly consistent with that on other photos clearly of Centennial exhibits.

Possibly the exhibit is listed under NYC&HR, per the sign at the right end of the pavilion roof?

An apology; my post looks like a rather stupid reply to yours, but it's actually a direct reply to the OP before I saw you had covered the matter in more detail. And my bad for Exposition instead of Exhibition. I suppose I have the Columbian and other later fairs more firmly lodged in my mind.

Jack Mullen


Re: Harrisburg Car Co.'s Exhibit

Richard Townsend
 

Roger Hinman's Merchants Despatch book has a couple of related photos of the same exhibit on p. 90. According to the captions it was the NYC&HR RR's display at the 1876 Philadelphia Centennial. I know that's not conclusive, but it does support the other evidence of it being the Centennial exhibition.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Mullen <jack.f.mullen@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Sep 5, 2018 4:49 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Harrisburg Car Co.'s Exhibit

Dennis,

I suppose the library may have miscategorized the photos, but the numbering and style of the caption block is certainly consistent with that on other photos clearly of Centennial exhibits.

Possibly the exhibit is listed under NYC&HR, per the sign at the right end of the pavilion roof?

An apology; my post looks like a rather stupid reply to yours, but it's actually a direct reply to the OP before I saw you had covered the matter in more detail. And my bad for Exposition instead of Exhibition. I suppose I have the Columbian and other later fairs more firmly lodged in my mind.

Jack Mullen


Re: Harrisburg Car Co.'s Exhibit

Jack Mullen
 

Dennis,

I suppose the library may have miscategorized the photos, but the numbering and style of the caption block is certainly consistent with that on other photos clearly of Centennial exhibits.

Possibly the exhibit is listed under NYC&HR, per the sign at the right end of the pavilion roof?

An apology; my post looks like a rather stupid reply to yours, but it's actually a direct reply to the OP before I saw you had covered the matter in more detail. And my bad for Exposition instead of Exhibition. I suppose I have the Columbian and other later fairs more firmly lodged in my mind.

Jack Mullen


ERDX Reefers.

Armand Premo
 

Looking for information about ERDX Reefers.Are there any current models that are close?Armand Premo


Re: Harrisburg Car Co.'s Exhibit

Dennis Storzek
 

Yeah, but I can't find it in the list of exhibits. There is a building in the western most portion of the grounds that is labeled "saw mill" that looks suspiciously like the pavilion over the cars, but it is consistently labeled saw mill on all the maps of the Exposition grounds.

It is possible it was  privately sponsored and off site, I suppose. The equipment all lettered for fast freight lines dates it to the days before free interchange, which certainly dates it before the formation of the Interstate Commerce Commission in 1887, but it's hard to tell how long before.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Harrisburg Car Co.'s Exhibit

Jack Mullen
 

Being an exhibit for the Centennial Exposition dates it to 1876.

Jack Mullen


Re: Harrisburg Car Co.'s Exhibit

Dennis Storzek
 

I suspect they are exhibits at the Centennial International Exhibition of 1876, the first official World's Fair in the United States, was held in
PhiladelphiaPennsylvania, from May 10 to November 10, 1876, to celebrate the 100th anniversary of the signing of the Declaration of Independence in Philadelphia.

Information from Wikipedia.

Dennis Storzek


Harrisburg Car Co.'s Exhibit

Bob Chaparro
 

Here are two more photo links from the Free Library of Philadelphia. These show new freight cars exhibited by the Harrisburg Car Company:

https://libwww.freelibrary.org/digital/item/1646

https://libwww.freelibrary.org/digital/item/1647

These appear to be pre-1900 cars as they have link-and-pin couplers.

Can anyone date this photo?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Tank Car: HMHX 6012

Dennis Storzek
 

The problem is they don't teach English in the schools anymore. The intern who wrote the caption meant to say its an earlier era photo of a currently vacant industrial plant.

Dennis Storzek