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Re: Tank cars--modeling in 12 inches equals one foot scale

Mont Switzer
 

and Martin and Pat Lofton.  Mont Switzer


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] on behalf of mel perry [clipper841@...]
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 9:49 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Tank cars--modeling in 12 inches equals one foot scale

sure hope they build some ptotection,
from the elements
mel perry

On Tue, Jul 14, 2020, 5:44 PM Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:
I have a friendship started at a Naperville decades ago. A good modeler, Ron also is very helpful to the local Montecello Illinois railroad museum. When Ron was told about a pair of tank cars at a local ADM plant which were to be scrapped Ron worked out a purchase for donating the tank car pair to the museum. He later gave an endowment of enough money to fund the restorations which has now been recently completed in glorious tank car nervana. Ron is a special guy, even beyond this tank car pair, for he has purchased a section of Iowa farm land which he has been working by hand to restore the property to High Grass Prarie condition. He has the property destined to be donated to a group dedicated to preserving Iowa High grass Prarie. A great modeler, and an even greater person!

I have mentioned to folks many times that when at Naperville I seemed to always be missing some clinic due to my being occupied in conversation with interesting modelers. From early 20th Century modeler Howard Garner, to late TOFC modeler, Richard Yaremko and numerous others in between, I have had great stays at Naperville. The loss of these events thisn year reminds me how much I appreciate the RPM meets. Thanks go to the pioneers, such as Richard Hendrickson and Tony Thompson who sensed the importance of such gatherings.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

Hi Ron,

Finally done!  Lots of time spent getting cars shimmed to correct coupler height, repacked, and air systems worked over to get them tightened up so they'll work as intended.  The newer of the two, now AESX 105, put up a real fight with air leaks all over the place.  Had to replace nearly all the flange gaskets on the brake valve pipe bracket, re-seal the nipples/couplings at both angle cocks, replace the brake pipe cutout/dirt collector, and found the retainer/exhaust pipe was plugged with dirt that had become the consistency of concrete, causing the brakes to release really slow.  GATX 7297 wasn't nearly as recalcitrant, other than a badly corroded brake cylinder.

Kent

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Re: IC green and yellow refrigerators

Bill Welch
 

Sunshine offered a kit of the IC steel reefer too.

Bill Welch

Re: IC green and yellow refrigerators

Andy Cich
 

Lester,

 

The answer to your question is yes. See Ted Culotta’s Reference Manual #3, Refrigerator Cars, for black and white photos. Ted mentions the color scheme in the text. See Gene Green’s reefer book for color photos with NRC reporting marks. The IC Historical Society Magazine, The Green Diamond, April 1997 issue covered banana traffic on the railroad and offers good insight into the operation of these cars.

 

Stan Rydarowicz offered kits for the IC reefers. I am fortunate to have 2. See attached photos.

 

Andy Cich

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lester Breuer
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 9:01 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] IC green and yellow refrigerators

 

I see models from different manufactures of IC metal side refrigerators with yellow paint and green lettering on sides and some with black, or boxcar red or green ends and roof. Did any of these schemes appear in a prototype?  I ask this as search of archieves did not produce an answer.  Thank you in advance for help.
Lester Breuer

IC green and yellow refrigerators

Lester Breuer
 

I see models from different manufactures of IC metal side refrigerators with yellow paint and green lettering on sides and some with black, or boxcar red or green ends and roof. Did any of these schemes appear in a prototype?  I ask this as search of archieves did not produce an answer.  Thank you in advance for help.
Lester Breuer

Re: Tank cars--modeling in 12 inches equals one foot scale

mel perry
 

sure hope they build some ptotection,
from the elements
mel perry

On Tue, Jul 14, 2020, 5:44 PM Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:
I have a friendship started at a Naperville decades ago. A good modeler, Ron also is very helpful to the local Montecello Illinois railroad museum. When Ron was told about a pair of tank cars at a local ADM plant which were to be scrapped Ron worked out a purchase for donating the tank car pair to the museum. He later gave an endowment of enough money to fund the restorations which has now been recently completed in glorious tank car nervana. Ron is a special guy, even beyond this tank car pair, for he has purchased a section of Iowa farm land which he has been working by hand to restore the property to High Grass Prarie condition. He has the property destined to be donated to a group dedicated to preserving Iowa High grass Prarie. A great modeler, and an even greater person!

I have mentioned to folks many times that when at Naperville I seemed to always be missing some clinic due to my being occupied in conversation with interesting modelers. From early 20th Century modeler Howard Garner, to late TOFC modeler, Richard Yaremko and numerous others in between, I have had great stays at Naperville. The loss of these events thisn year reminds me how much I appreciate the RPM meets. Thanks go to the pioneers, such as Richard Hendrickson and Tony Thompson who sensed the importance of such gatherings.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

Hi Ron,

Finally done!  Lots of time spent getting cars shimmed to correct coupler height, repacked, and air systems worked over to get them tightened up so they'll work as intended.  The newer of the two, now AESX 105, put up a real fight with air leaks all over the place.  Had to replace nearly all the flange gaskets on the brake valve pipe bracket, re-seal the nipples/couplings at both angle cocks, replace the brake pipe cutout/dirt collector, and found the retainer/exhaust pipe was plugged with dirt that had become the consistency of concrete, causing the brakes to release really slow.  GATX 7297 wasn't nearly as recalcitrant, other than a badly corroded brake cylinder.

Kent

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Re: Tank cars--modeling in 12 inches equals one foot scale

Tony Thompson
 

Andy Carlson wrote:

I have mentioned to folks many times that when at Naperville I seemed to always be missing some clinic due to my being occupied in conversation with interesting modelers. From early 20th Century modeler Howard Garner, to late TOFC modeler, Richard Yaremko and numerous others in between, I have had great stays at Naperville. The loss of these events thisn year reminds me how much I appreciate the RPM meets. Thanks go to the pioneers, such as Richard Hendrickson and Tony Thompson who sensed the importance of such gatherings.

   Richard and I used to call Naperville "the Freight Car National."

Tony Thompson



Tank cars--modeling in 12 inches equals one foot scale

Andy Carlson
 

I have a friendship started at a Naperville decades ago. A good modeler, Ron also is very helpful to the local Montecello Illinois railroad museum. When Ron was told about a pair of tank cars at a local ADM plant which were to be scrapped Ron worked out a purchase for donating the tank car pair to the museum. He later gave an endowment of enough money to fund the restorations which has now been recently completed in glorious tank car nervana. Ron is a special guy, even beyond this tank car pair, for he has purchased a section of Iowa farm land which he has been working by hand to restore the property to High Grass Prarie condition. He has the property destined to be donated to a group dedicated to preserving Iowa High grass Prarie. A great modeler, and an even greater person!

I have mentioned to folks many times that when at Naperville I seemed to always be missing some clinic due to my being occupied in conversation with interesting modelers. From early 20th Century modeler Howard Garner, to late TOFC modeler, Richard Yaremko and numerous others in between, I have had great stays at Naperville. The loss of these events thisn year reminds me how much I appreciate the RPM meets. Thanks go to the pioneers, such as Richard Hendrickson and Tony Thompson who sensed the importance of such gatherings.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

Hi Ron,


Finally done!  Lots of time spent getting cars shimmed to correct coupler height, repacked, and air systems worked over to get them tightened up so they'll work as intended.  The newer of the two, now AESX 105, put up a real fight with air leaks all over the place.  Had to replace nearly all the flange gaskets on the brake valve pipe bracket, re-seal the nipples/couplings at both angle cocks, replace the brake pipe cutout/dirt collector, and found the retainer/exhaust pipe was plugged with dirt that had become the consistency of concrete, causing the brakes to release really slow.  GATX 7297 wasn't nearly as recalcitrant, other than a badly corroded brake cylinder.

Kent

Re: Photo: Heinz Wagon On Flatcar

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Bob,
 
Thanks for the great images. It is a PRR flat, probably a PRR class FM flat. It rolls on archbar trucks.
 
Claus Schlund
 

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Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 11:41 AM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Heinz Wagon On Flatcar

Photo: Heinz Wagon On Flatcar

A 1911 photo from the Historic Pittsburgh website:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3AMSP57.B014.I02/viewer

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Description: "Along with the high quality of its products, H.J. Heinz Company was known for the elegance of its delivery service. Horse-drawn delivery wagons (likely white with green trimmings) carried boxes of Heinz goods, including mince meat, apple butter, and tomato relish. This type of delivery wagon (pictured here) was drawn by a pair of prize-winning draft horses favored by H.J. Heinz, an expert on horses. The company’s more than 200 horses, mostly pure Percherons, pulled the delivery wagons."

Too bad there is not more of the flatcar visible.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Photo: Chicago & Alton Gondola 20694 With Coal Load

David
 

One of 800 gondolas in series 20000-20799 built by Pressed Steel Car in 1900, the last 200 with drop doors.

David Thompson

Re: Model Railroad 10 Year Archive 2010-2019

John H. Reinhardt
 

On 7/14/2020 3:44 PM, Nolan Hinshaw via groups.io wrote:
On Jul 13, 2020, at 12:53, John H. Reinhardt <johnhreinhardt@...> wrote:

I know it's been a while but I just got the 10-Year Archive 2010-2019 for my birthday and they arrived today. 
[has no problems with it]

I can't be bothered; on the other hand, I'd buy a boxed set of discs of the first 40 or 50 years of high-quality reproductions without batting the proverbial eye. I, too, have access to the digital archive and keep looking at stuff yea, even unto volume 1 issue 1 on occasion, and keep finding gems.

One part of me wishes I'd bought the original 1934-2009 DVD set, but then again those PDFs *WERE* encrypted and the only way to decode them was the app that came on the DVD.  Unfortunately, as a Mac user, that app only worked up until a certain version of MacOS (somewhere around 10.9 or 10.10 - 7 years ago) and they never updated it so it would be useless for me now.  I would also snap up an un-encrypted re-issue if they ever made it available.  But I am slowly doing a print to PDF of the online archive so at some point it won't really matter although I think the DVD results would be better.

-- 
John H. Reinhardt
  PRRT&HS  #8909
  C&O HS  #11530
  N-Trak   #7566 

Re: Model Railroad 10 Year Archive 2010-2019

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On Jul 13, 2020, at 12:53, John H. Reinhardt <@reinhardtjh> wrote:

I know it's been a while but I just got the 10-Year Archive 2010-2019 for my birthday and they arrived today.
[has no problems with it]

I can't be bothered; on the other hand, I'd buy a boxed set of discs of the first 40 or 50 years of high-quality reproductions without batting the proverbial eye. I, too, have access to the digital archive and keep looking at stuff yea, even unto volume 1 issue 1 on occasion, and keep finding gems.

Re: Model Railroad 10 Year Archive 2010-2019

John H. Reinhardt
 

On 5/5/2020 8:20 AM, Nelson Moyer wrote:

I purchased the subject DVD with the intent of loading the database to my desktop and searching across issues for freight car data like I do with the 40 year MR archive. Unfortunately, neither seems possible, as the disk is copy protected, and the only search function is for each individual monthly issue open as a pdf file. Even more objectionable to me is that the archive comes on two DVDs, meaning one must physically change DVDs to view the entire archive. None of this was revealed prior to purchase. Caveat Emptor!!

 

Nelson Moyer

_._,_._,_

I know it's been a while but I just got the 10-Year Archive 2010-2019 for my birthday and they arrived today.  I use a Mac so I haven't looked at what happens on a Windows or even Linux system, but my disks are NOT copy protected. There is no DRM that I can find.  I copied the contents of the two DVD (about 13.8GB) to my Mac's hard drive and I can open any issue with Apple's Preview (Adobe Acrobat clone) with no problem.  The PDF files are hidden in an invisible "PDFs" folder but I copied them out to a visible folder and everything still worked.  There is a basic "index" PDF, one for each disk, which links to "page" PDF files for each year.  The page PDF has a picture of each issue that you click and the appropriate issue opens up.  There is a one-page "How to Use" PDF which explains the basics.

As mentioned there is no in-depth index though so you need some other sort of index to find what you want unless you want to scan each issue.

I have access to the online all encompassing archive and the few issues that I have looked at seem to be of slightly better quality than the issues I have printed to PDF from the online archive.

I wish they had included the GMR and MRP yearly issues instead of the "Special" issues, but that's just me.


Nelson, if you find that hidden "PDFs" folder you should be able to copy it to the hard drive on your computer.

-- 
John H. Reinhardt
  PRRT&HS  #8909
  C&O HS  #11530
  N-Trak   #7566 

Tangent General American 1952 Tank Car GATX Number

pennsylvania1954
 

I have one of these beautiful 8000 gal. models which is now an undec. Tangent says most of these cars had billboard schemes for their lessee operators, but not all. Can anyone point to a mid-50's photo of one of these cars in plain black with GATX reporting marks? Thanks!
--
Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL

Re: Photo: Rock Island Boxcar 152693

Steve and Barb Hile
 


This is one of the ones I was referring to the other day.  A wooden car that had been rebuilt with a steel center sill from Bettendorf, but retaining truss rods for a wood framed double sheathed body, steel ends and doors.  Most served through WWII but disappeared rapidly after the war.

Steve Hile

-----Original Message-----
From: "Bob Chaparro via groups.io"
Sent: Jul 14, 2020 12:16 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Rock Island Boxcar 152693

Photo: Rock Island Boxcar 152693

A 1939 photo from the Library of Congress:

https://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2017809687/resource/

Click on the TIFF version to see the most details of the car and the grain elevator.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Photo: Chicago & Alton Gondola 20694 With Coal Load

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Chicago & Alton Gondola 20694 With Coal Load

A circa 1900-1905 photo from the Library of Congress:

https://www.loc.gov/item/2016811460/

Use the Download box for larger versions of this photo.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Photo: Rock Island Boxcar 152693

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Rock Island Boxcar 152693

A 1939 photo from the Library of Congress:

https://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2017809687/resource/

Click on the TIFF version to see the most details of the car and the grain elevator.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Photo: NP Boxcar 11760

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: NP Boxcar 11760

A 1939 photo from the Library of Congress:

https://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2017809730/resource/

Click on the TIFF version to see the most details of the car.

Good view of radial car roof and "B" end with lever brake handle.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Erie 1937 AAR Boxcar – IMWX Upgrade #2

Michael Gross
 

Another nice build, Bob.  You're making good use of your Covid-19 isolation!!!
--
Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA

Re: Erie 1937 AAR Boxcar – IMWX Upgrade #2

Robert Chapman
 

Brian Carlson asks:
Bob. I’m working on one of these. What paint color did you use?

Uh oh -- a COLOR question! First, let's skip all the usual prototype color disclaimers. Brian -- I'm not an Erie modeler, so went to sources for information. In 11/90 RMJ, Ed Hawkins recommended Floquil ATSF Mineral Brown for the 4/49 ACF #90500-91199 series (not a 1937 AAR). In the RPC Vol 3 "colors by road" table, A 50-50 mix of Floquil BCR and Oxide was suggested for Erie in the 40s. 1949 is near my era, and in the dinosaur cave here I had some Floquil ATSF Mineral Brown, so I went with it. The Erie guys are probably rolling their eyes, but I like it.

Regards,
Bob Chapman

Photo: Ballast Cleaning Train With PRR Hopper Cars

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Ballast Cleaning Train With PRR Hopper Cars

A photo from the Historic Pittsburgh website:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A200905.233.HF/viewer

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

This post corrects the comment that these car were receiving coal.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA