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Erie RR track scale abbreviations

lrkdbn
 

Dear group.
I am currently finishing a Westerfield Erie Dominion Fowler box car. What would be some Erie track scale abbreviations ca.1930?
Thanks for any help you can give
Stay Safe!!!
LR King <lrkdbn@...>

Re: AFE building NP car from LV Car

Benjamin Hom
 

Tony Thompson wrote:
"There certainly is a prototype for a lot of odd things, but hardly 'anything.' And I will repeat my own personal mantra, that it's wise to model the typical and the commonplace, and restrain your modeler's joy in modeling the weird, the rare, and the one-off. That is, of course, if you are seeking to model reality."

"Modeling all of the exceptions does not make an exceptional layout." - John Nehrich


Ben Hom

Re: AFE building NP car from LV Car

Tony Thompson
 

Hudson Leighton wrote:

A 1920 Northern Pacific Railway AFE  5005-20 which calls for using LV (Lehigh Valley?) car as parts source for NP water car.

There is a prototype for anything.

         Actually, I think you need to rephrase that. There certainly is a prototype for a lot of odd things, but hardly "anything." And I will repeat my own personal mantra, that it's wise to model the typical and the commonplace, and restrain your modeler's joy in modeling the weird, the rare, and the one-off. That is, of course, if you are seeking to model reality.

Tony Thompson



Re: Adding some color to the fright car roster UP #57068

Lester Breuer
 

Excellent build Fenton.   Thanks for sharing.

Lester Breuer

Re: AFE building NP car from LV Car

Richard Townsend
 

Somewhere in my files I have AFEs from the C&S for converting or repairing (and keeping) wrecked cars from the PRR and Erie. Railroads were pretty skilled at squeezing out whatever value they were able to find in salvage.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Hudson Leighton <hudsonl@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Fri, Apr 10, 2020 12:29 pm
Subject: [RealSTMFC] AFE building NP car from LV Car

A 1920 Northern Pacific Railway AFE  5005-20 which calls for using LV (Lehigh Valley?) car as parts source for NP water car.

There is a prototype for anything.

-Hudson

Re: AFE building NP car from LV Car

Brian Carlson
 

Hey, they paid the Valley for it so might as well get some use out of it. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Apr 10, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Hudson Leighton <hudsonl@...> wrote:

A 1920 Northern Pacific Railway AFE  5005-20 which calls for using LV (Lehigh Valley?) car as parts source for NP water car.

There is a prototype for anything.

-Hudson
<5005-20.pdf>

Re: Hooker Chemical, Tacoma

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Tim,

Great photo, even if it is beyond our era. You can even see Hooker's 25T GE in the big photo (the on one of the tracks near the tank farm to the right of the photo). This locomotive shows in one of the other photos from the Tacoma PL Collection. And a Liberty Ship as a bonus. This is likely either the SS Woodbridge Ferris, or the SS Mahlon Pitney, both of which were cut up at Tacoma in 2010 after sitting derelict in Commencement Bay for years. 

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 10:27 AM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Jeff Helm pointed out this SPECTACULAR industrial photo from the 1960's
but the Hooker Chemical
plant here was built in the 1940's and lasted through the 1990's (at
least that long) so I thought
it is worth sharing around. If my stupid mail program truncates the long
URL you'll have to paste
it back together to see it in your browser. :-\:-)

cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/utils/ajaxhelper/?CISOROOT=p17061coll21&CISOPTR=32743&action=2&DMSCALE=100&DMWIDTH=2848&DMHEIGHT=2210

===================================================

On 4/8/2020 3:05 PM, Jeff Helm wrote:
> Found the online photos, at the Tacoma Public Library digital collections.  Some interesting links:
> First two are the caustic tank car.
>
> http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/32346/rec/81
> http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/32704/rec/92
> http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/5536/rec/22
> http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/16060/rec/44
> http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/32743/rec/75
> http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/31462/rec/50
> http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/13399/rec/49
>


--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*



AFE building NP car from LV Car

Hudson Leighton
 

A 1920 Northern Pacific Railway AFE  5005-20 which calls for using LV (Lehigh Valley?) car as parts source for NP water car.

There is a prototype for anything.

-Hudson

Re: Poorly Secured Load?

 

My WAG is those loads are so heavy, they stay on cars by shear weight alone. Only reason for the bands is to who knows what. ~}

Re: Adding some color to the fright car roster UP #57068

Todd Sullivan
 

Ooooh, what a nice looking car!  I'll have to do one myself, methinks.  Thanks for sharing!

Todd Sullivan

In-process models

Eric Hansmann
 

I’ve posted an overview on three model projects that have kept me busy for a few weeks. I also included photos and notes on building Yarmouth Model Works etched metal ladders. Grab a beverage and enjoy the read.

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/2020/04/10/workbench-update-april-2020/

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

Re: Hooker Chemical, Tacoma

Chuck Soule
 

Tacoma's Hooker facility was actually built in the 1920s, before the Bonneville Power Administration era, because Tacoma had a very aggressive public utility dept. that built several dams for power supply, so they had cheap electricity (same reason Hooker's NY plant was next to Niagara Falls).   It was still in service in the very late 1990s when I toured it, but under a new owner.  The time slider on Google Earth shows that it was demolished about 2009. 

Regarding the views across Hylebos Waterway (tidal, not a river), there were a good number of houses on pilings or bulkheaded fill between Marine View Drive and the waterway.  There are still a few, but it is more commercialized now.  There have long been marinas and log rafts.  In the early 1950s, my Dad had a sailboat, and in the winter he would have it hauled out of the water at one of those marinas, leaving it on land all winter, and cleaning/painting the hull while it was out.  I was so young I barely remember it.

Regarding the picture of the panorama view, it was not taken at Pt. Defiance, but rather at the northern end marine view drive.  The road north of Hooker winds up the steep hillside, and there are a couple of pullout viewpoints (as well as the excellent Cliff House restaurant).

if you go to Google Earth (lat 47.286 lon -122.4042) you can still see the semicircular tracks.  Timeslide back to a good photo in 2002,  and you can still see structures.  Chlorine was loaded into tank cars next to the small buildings at the NW corner, in the bend of the Northwesterly  "snap track" curve.  Caustic Soda was loaded at the easterly corner of the property. 

If I remember correctly from the tour I took 20 years ago, Occidental made chlorinate chemicals at or next to the SE side of the plant.  To this day, there is a significant environmental cleanup issue, which I believe is more significant at the OxyChem side of the plant than associated with the original chlorine manufacturing area.  The overall residual environmental issues are a major part of why the entire site is currently vacant.

The model at the PSMRE layout at Washington State History Museum is tucked way in the back from the viewing public in a corner.  There wasn't a lot of room for Bill to build the model, so he basically did the main square 2-story brick building of the original plant and the one-story building where the tank cars were loaded.  Another club member painted the backdrop behind it to show the large stockpile of salt.  There was a lot of selective compression needed in that part of the layout, so we concentrated on creating the general tideflats atmosphere.

Chuck Soule

Re: BAR 7000-series reefers

Andy Laurent
 

Thank you, Tim!  Black sills and ends...silver roof. 

My thanks,
Andy Laurent
Wisconsin

Re: Adding some color to the fright car roster UP #57068

Bob Webber
 

It's not a freight car per se - it shows as a passenger car on the AAR classifications.  Having said that, my understanding is that any head end car - combine, baggage, express, mail, milk, etc. were fair game (here). 


At 01:11 PM 4/10/2020, Nelson Moyer wrote:
You could post it to the plasticfreightcarbuilders group. They’ve been pretty quiet lately, except for the slap on the wrist I got for posting a coach-baggage combine moments ago. It is a NKP Car Co. hybrid brass-resin-plastic (mostly plastic) kit with brass sides, so I went with plastic because there was more plastic than resin. It raised the question, is a combine a freight car since it carries the markers on mixed FREIGHT trains and carries baggage and express packages? I’m curious what the sages in this group will opine.
 
Nelson Moyer
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [ mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of O Fenton Wells
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 12:59 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Adding some color to the fright car roster UP #57068
 
In an effort to add more color to my fleet I have revised a P2K flat car from black to the UP.  I have liked this car since I saw Bob Smaus version in MR a few years ago.  Then Ted's vol IV of Prototype Railroad Modeling highlighted these cars so off I went.  I modeled this as a 1951 repaint so no white lettering and used Ted's excellent decals.
This is my first use of the new Kadee flat car brake wheel and stem.  It is excellent and I highly recommend it.
I didn't put this on the resin builder site as it is a plastic car. Not sure where it goes, so here I am

Bob Webber

Re: Poorly Secured Load?

mopacfirst
 

The photos show a vertical vessel, and the second photo (in the shadows) shows the skirt end with blocking against it.  The other photo, showing the top end, appears to have blocking also.  Those would probably keep the vessel from sliding back and forth, while the two saddles carry the weight.  I'll bet somewhere there's a 'do not hump' placard.

Ron Merrick

Re: Adding some color to the fright car roster UP #57068

Nelson Moyer
 

You could post it to the plasticfreightcarbuilders group. They’ve been pretty quiet lately, except for the slap on the wrist I got for posting a coach-baggage combine moments ago. It is a NKP Car Co. hybrid brass-resin-plastic (mostly plastic) kit with brass sides, so I went with plastic because there was more plastic than resin. It raised the question, is a combine a freight car since it carries the markers on mixed FREIGHT trains and carries baggage and express packages? I’m curious what the sages in this group will opine.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of O Fenton Wells
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 12:59 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Adding some color to the fright car roster UP #57068

 

In an effort to add more color to my fleet I have revised a P2K flat car from black to the UP.  I have liked this car since I saw Bob Smaus version in MR a few years ago.  Then Ted's vol IV of Prototype Railroad Modeling highlighted these cars so off I went.  I modeled this as a 1951 repaint so no white lettering and used Ted's excellent decals.

This is my first use of the new Kadee flat car brake wheel and stem.  It is excellent and I highly recommend it.

I didn't put this on the resin builder site as it is a plastic car. Not sure where it goes, so here I am

Poorly Secured Load?

Bob Chaparro
 

Poorly Secured Load?

Two 1952 photos of the same load from the Tacoma Public Library Digital Collections:

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/33748/rec/109

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/34113/rec/103

I was a bit surprised to see that this large storage tank load was only secured by two steel bands/rods. Even with the bottom blocking I would think a third band/rod would be needed to provide extra security should one of the other two fail.

Opinions?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Adding some color to the fright car roster UP #57068

O Fenton Wells
 

In an effort to add more color to my fleet I have revised a P2K flat car from black to the UP.  I have liked this car since I saw Bob Smaus version in MR a few years ago.  Then Ted's vol IV of Prototype Railroad Modeling highlighted these cars so off I went.  I modeled this as a 1951 repaint so no white lettering and used Ted's excellent decals.
This is my first use of the new Kadee flat car brake wheel and stem.  It is excellent and I highly recommend it.
I didn't put this on the resin builder site as it is a plastic car. Not sure where it goes, so here I am

Re: FW: [RealSTMFC] BAR 7000-series reefers

Joseph
 

So what kit models one of these?   I am sure it has been mentioned before, but am in the midst of distancing grocery shopping for Easter dinner....
TIA,
Joe Binish

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 12:48 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
Schuyler

That could be mistaken - Someone must have told me the cars were built by
Mount Vernon Car (MVC) but Pacific Car & Foundry is mentioned in the article,
so the MVC should be stricken. Also the 1952 date may be wrong - blowing up
the image the number could be 53, not 52.

Tim



On 4/10/2020 1:08 PM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

MVC?  What does that mean?  Built ’52?

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 12:38 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] BAR 7000-series reefers

 


BAR 7123

On 4/9/2020 11:40 PM, Andy Laurent via groups.io wrote:

Gents,
Does anyone on the list have a color photo of a BAR 7000-series 40' steel refrigerator car in the as-built orange scheme from 1951-53 (two batches)? I am curious what color the ends and sills were painted. I checked the message archives and only see discussion of the red/white/blue scheme.  Henderson mentions a solid orange scheme on Page 23 of Classic Freight Cars Vol 3 as being the original, but this image suggests that they had dark ends, roofs, and sills:  BAR 7015 - Bangor Daily News March 1953

Thank you,
Andy Laurent



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: Hooker Chemical, Tacoma

Tom Madden
 

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 11:39 AM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

.....Probably those logs are destined to be turned into lumber loads on freight cars, though the photos date from some future time for Steam Freight Cars (whew!).

Actually, no. It was June 1960, not 1961. I've corrected the post.

Tom M.