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Re: PS-1s and wooden running boards

Tim O'Connor
 

ALL box cars built after WW II ended had steel running boards. The first PS-1 box cars
were built after 1945.

On 1/5/2020 12:29 AM, Brian Carlson via Groups.Io wrote:
In my parts stashI have a few laser kit packages of wooden runningboards for Intermountain PS-1 box cars. Were any PS 1 box cars delivered with wooden running boards?
Brian J. Carlson
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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*

Re: Photos: Wabash Automobile Boxcar 47194

mel perry
 

there must be two of these cars in
museums, i remember another photo,
except that car had loading doors on
the "A" end
mel perry

On Sat, Jan 4, 2020, 5:59 PM Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photos: Wabash Automobile Boxcar 47194

Three photos taken in Atlanta, Illinois from the Railroad Prototype Modeler blog:

https://railroadprototypemodeler.files.wordpress.com/2019/08/dscn9117-1.jpg?w=676

https://railroadprototypemodeler.files.wordpress.com/2019/02/dscn9113.jpg?w=676

https://railroadprototypemodeler.files.wordpress.com/2019/08/dscn9114.jpg?w=676

Notice the lever-style handbrake.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Photos: Wabash Automobile Boxcar 47194

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Richard,

I'm not sure they are up to even the lowest standards of today, but a 3/3/3 Dreadnaught was used on Tyco 50' plug door boxcars. Why I don't know. I cut some away for possible later use from cars found in a box of stuff I acquired, (they are still in my parts box). Since these ends have ladders and brake detail cast on, I suggest getting a pair of cars at a train show and using only the A ends, which would require less carving. 

I think I've also got some really clunky cast lead 3/3/3 ends, probably from an ancient Red Ball kit. These would be best used as interior weights where they would never be seen again.

Remember, never throw anything away. You can always find some use for it. Someday. Maybe. Well . . . .

Yours Aye,

Mungo Napier, Laird of Mallard Lodge  🦆


On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 9:22 PM Richard Townsend via Groups.Io <richtownsend=netscape.net@groups.io> wrote:
I wish a good 3/3/3 end were available.



Re: PS-1s and wooden running boards

Ed Hawkins
 



On Jan 4, 2020, at 11:29 PM, Brian Carlson via Groups.Io <prrk41361@...> wrote:

In my parts stashI have a few laser kit packages of wooden runningboards for Intermountain PS-1 box cars. Were any PS 1 box cars delivered with wooden running boards? 

Brian,
No, all were steel. The earliest PS-1 box cars built starting in 6-47 (LV 62000-62499) came with Apex Tri-lok running boards & brake steps. In addition to Apex that had widespread use on PS-1s, other types included U.S. Gypsum, Morton, Kerrigan, & Blaw-Knox.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

PS-1s and wooden running boards

Brian Carlson
 

In my parts stashI have a few laser kit packages of wooden runningboards for Intermountain PS-1 box cars. Were any PS 1 box cars delivered with wooden running boards?
Brian J. Carlson

Re: Photos: Wabash Automobile Boxcar 47194

Armand Premo
 

Hmmn,And no end numbers,Armand Premo

Re: Photos: Wabash Automobile Boxcar 47194

william darnaby
 

This is very likely one of the cars that for years sat along the back of the Alcoa Aluminum plant in Lafayette, Indiana and that I saw on my trips to and from Purdue 50 years ago.  They got scattered in the late 1980’s when Alcoa gave them up.  A handful ended up at the Indiana Transportation Museum in Noblesville, Indiana.  A couple still had their Evans Auto racks in them when I shot them up for an article that I did on upgrading an F&C kit for MR…or was it MM…I don’t remember.

 

Bill Darnaby

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, January 4, 2020 8:00 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Wabash Automobile Boxcar 47194

 

Photos: Wabash Automobile Boxcar 47194

Three photos taken in Atlanta, Illinois from the Railroad Prototype Modeler blog:

https://railroadprototypemodeler.files.wordpress.com/2019/08/dscn9117-1.jpg?w=676

https://railroadprototypemodeler.files.wordpress.com/2019/02/dscn9113.jpg?w=676

https://railroadprototypemodeler.files.wordpress.com/2019/08/dscn9114.jpg?w=676

Notice the lever-style handbrake.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Photos: Wabash Automobile Boxcar 47194

mel perry
 

richard:
do what the old timers did, slice & dice
:-)
mel perry

On Sat, Jan 4, 2020, 6:22 PM Richard Townsend via Groups.Io <richtownsend=netscape.net@groups.io> wrote:
I wish a good 3/3/3 end were available.



Re: Photos: Wabash Automobile Boxcar 47194

Richard Townsend
 

I wish a good 3/3/3 end were available.

Re: Photos: Wabash Automobile Boxcar 47194

mel perry
 

and a radial roof to boot
mel perry

On Sat, Jan 4, 2020, 5:59 PM Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photos: Wabash Automobile Boxcar 47194

Three photos taken in Atlanta, Illinois from the Railroad Prototype Modeler blog:

https://railroadprototypemodeler.files.wordpress.com/2019/08/dscn9117-1.jpg?w=676

https://railroadprototypemodeler.files.wordpress.com/2019/02/dscn9113.jpg?w=676

https://railroadprototypemodeler.files.wordpress.com/2019/08/dscn9114.jpg?w=676

Notice the lever-style handbrake.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Photos: Wabash Automobile Boxcar 47194

Bob Chaparro
 

Photos: Wabash Automobile Boxcar 47194

Three photos taken in Atlanta, Illinois from the Railroad Prototype Modeler blog:

https://railroadprototypemodeler.files.wordpress.com/2019/08/dscn9117-1.jpg?w=676

https://railroadprototypemodeler.files.wordpress.com/2019/02/dscn9113.jpg?w=676

https://railroadprototypemodeler.files.wordpress.com/2019/08/dscn9114.jpg?w=676

Notice the lever-style handbrake.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: One-Piece Cast Resin Box Car Bodies

Tim O'Connor
 


I agree Bill.

The sad truth is that not many people can produce perfect 1 piece bodies. But
they are getting better! The RCW 50' SOO box car - no complaints!

Fixing serious warpage is really challenging - e.g. a "twist" in the body. Ugh!

If you've never seen one of Gene Fusco's one piece "Railyard" X58 box cars (or his
other cars) then you've really missed something.



On 1/4/2020 9:16 AM, william darnaby wrote:

As a final…or,maybe not…comment on one piece bodies, I have not found them to be a great time saver over flat kits because of issues that I run across.  Your mileage may vary but I have found that it takes time to clean up the bottom edges of the castings as there are lumps and bumps of resin.  I think some of these are vents or risers from the casting process.  I have had to do repair to these areas to get a clean and straight bottom sill on the sides and ends.  One car I assembled this summer had the corner of the sill so badly damaged I had to create a new corner with modelling putty.

 

Another issue is the shelf inside the body being uneven or not deep enough to allow the floor to sit down inside far enough to allow the crossmembers to sit behind the sill tabs.  It sometimes takes a fair amount of scraping with a square edged modelling knife to clean up that shelf.

 

Then there is the issue of warpage.  I have had to install pieces of quarter inch square styrene across the interior of the casting so the sides do not noticeably bow in.

 

Such is the resin world.  And, as I said, YMMV.

 

Bill Darnaby

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rossiter, Mark W
Sent: Saturday, January 4, 2020 5:08 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] One-Piece Cast Resin Box Car Bodies

 

Thanks to all who responded to my inquiry, on list and off.  Sounds like it is nothing to be concerned about. 

 

Mark Rossiter



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: Shipping Fish

Dave Parker
 

If anybody is interested, here is a scan of the original article that includes the page number.

--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA

Re: Certainly a "Steam Era" freight car!

Steven D Johnson
 

An article in the August 1963 issue of L&N’s company magazine shows this very car working with an L&N pile hammer-equipped crane in the rebuilding of a bridge over the Tensas River near Mobile, AL.  The tender assigned to this car was no. 40694, from L&N K-5 Pacific no. 268.

 

Steve Johnson

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of mofwcaboose via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2020 4:05 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Certainly a "Steam Era" freight car!

 

Several other railroads, notably the MP and subsidiaries, had similar cars. They were "weed scalders", used for weed control.

 

The L&N car is more likely used either to supply steam to a pile driver whose own boiler has been condemned, or, more likely, to supply steam to the hammer being used on a diesel pile driver or locomotive crane. Diesel hammers appeared  in the US around 1953 but were not much accepted at first, and a number of diesel cranes swinging a set of pile driver leads towed a car such as this to  supply steam for the steam hammer.

 

John C. La Rue, Jr.

Bonita Springs, FL

-----Original Message-----
From: Steven D Johnson <tenncentralrwy@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Jan 4, 2020 12:02 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Certainly a "Steam Era" freight car!

Ike,

 

Thanks for that photo!  I certainly agree with your statement that L&N had some of the oddest, home-built MofW equipment.

 

In the Morning Sun Books L&N Color Guide, Volume 2, page 87, there is a shot of this same car at Mobile, AL, in July 1968.  The flat car/low side gondola portion was painted “boxcar red,” while the “steam engine” was painted black.

 

Steve Johnson

Nashville, TN

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of George Eichelberger
Sent: Friday, January 03, 2020 11:54 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Certainly a "Steam Era" freight car!

 

While looking for Bucyrus cranes on flat cars, I re-discovered the attached photo of L&N MoW flat 41839 in a pile driver outfit 5-17-70 at Atlanta. (low res version attached)

It is from the Southern Railway Historical Assoc archives, Oscar Kimsey, Jr collection. (One of 459 items in Oscar's L&N MoW file). Of all the Southeastern railroads, the L&N may have some of the oddest, home-built MoW equipment.

Ike

Re: Certainly a "Steam Era" freight car!

mofwcaboose
 

Several other railroads, notably the MP and subsidiaries, had similar cars. They were "weed scalders", used for weed control.

The L&N car is more likely used either to supply steam to a pile driver whose own boiler has been condemned, or, more likely, to supply steam to the hammer being used on a diesel pile driver or locomotive crane. Diesel hammers appeared  in the US around 1953 but were not much accepted at first, and a number of diesel cranes swinging a set of pile driver leads towed a car such as this to  supply steam for the steam hammer.

John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL


-----Original Message-----
From: Steven D Johnson <tenncentralrwy@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Jan 4, 2020 12:02 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Certainly a "Steam Era" freight car!

Ike,
 
Thanks for that photo!  I certainly agree with your statement that L&N had some of the oddest, home-built MofW equipment.
 
In the Morning Sun Books L&N Color Guide, Volume 2, page 87, there is a shot of this same car at Mobile, AL, in July 1968.  The flat car/low side gondola portion was painted “boxcar red,” while the “steam engine” was painted black.
 
Steve Johnson
Nashville, TN
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of George Eichelberger
Sent: Friday, January 03, 2020 11:54 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Certainly a "Steam Era" freight car!
 
While looking for Bucyrus cranes on flat cars, I re-discovered the attached photo of L&N MoW flat 41839 in a pile driver outfit 5-17-70 at Atlanta. (low res version attached)

It is from the Southern Railway Historical Assoc archives, Oscar Kimsey, Jr collection. (One of 459 items in Oscar's L&N MoW file). Of all the Southeastern railroads, the L&N may have some of the oddest, home-built MoW equipment.

Ike

Re: Can anyone tell me anything about the "Safcar" running board and step?

Brian Carlson
 

Bill I see the paint code now and on the other Photos Bill lane posted of the car to the PRR list. 
Brian Carlson 

Re: DL&W 44078 (was Photo: SRLX Reefers)

ed_mines
 

Rob, a nice kit for these cars is available from F&C.

Re: Shipping Fish

Doug Paasch
 

Thanks Bob.  In reading this, I couldn’t make sense of one sentence so after some searching online, I found the same article.  Looks like a line was skipped in retyping it.  The sentence “No ice except that in the packages investigators say, to cover a load of fish with fine ice, or to place heavy ice “headers” on the barrels.”

 

should read:

 

No ice except that in the packages should be placed inside the car.  It is a great mistake, investigators say, to cover a load of fish with fine ice, or to place heavy ice “headers” on the barrels.

 

Doug Paasch

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, January 4, 2020 10:05 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Shipping Fish

 

And I did find this information.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
++++

The text below is from Refrigerating World, Volume 54, Issue 2 (September 1919).

TRANSPORTATION OF FISH

The speed at which fish decay is not so striking as the length of time that fish will keep under proper conditions. according to the Food Research Laboratory of the Bureau of Chemistry, United States Department of Agriculture. Investigations in the handling of fresh fish—from the catch to the consumer—which have been underway for several years, have shown that when refrigerator cars are properly iced and the fish are properly packed, they can be transported even in midsummer for distances requiring five days of travel, and they will reach the market in excellent condition for eating. In fact, fish so shipped will be much "fresher" at the markets than fish shipped without refrigeration in fast express cars for 24 hours or less.

For successful shipping of fish by freight in refrigerator cars, the investigators outline the following instructions:

Keep Fish Packages Off Floor

Select a refrigerator car that has doors and hatches so tight that not a ray of light can enter. If the car is not provided with a rack in the floor, build one, placing 2 by 4 stringers lengthwise of the floor and nailing crosswise slats —1 by 3 inches—about 11/; inches apart. No car of fresh fish should be shipped without a rack on the floor.

With the car prepared, the bunkers should be filled with ice at least 12 hours before loading. The pieces of ice should not be larger than a man’s fist. Just before the car is loaded the ice in the bunkers should be replenished, and on top of the ice should be placed coarse gray rock salt in the proportion of 5 percent of the ice. Most refrigerating cars will require from 3,500 to 5,000 pounds of ice in each bunker. If the capacity of the bunkers is not marked, it can be determined by counting the number of cakes used, in the case of artificial ice, or by rough weighing, in the case of natural ice. The amount of salt required ordinarily will vary between 170 and 250 pounds to each bunker.

Only Package Ice in Cars

Fish to be placed in the car must be in boxes or barrels, plentifully supplied with fine ice. They should be hurried into the car, that the doors may not be kept open any longer than necessary. As soon as the load is stowed, the doors should be closed and sealed, and the haul should begin as promptly as possible. No ice except that in the packages investigators say, to cover a load of fish with fine ice, or to place heavy ice “headers” on the barrels.

The same principle can be used with much success for the shipment of less-than-carload lots, provided the car is chilled when the trip is begun, and the trainmen close the doors promptly after each change in the lading.

Hauling fish in refrigerator cars under the conditions outlined does not harm the car by wetting the lining with fishy water to any greater extent than does ice-packed poultry or iced vegetables, and railroad officials will find value in knowledge of this fact, declare the investigators. They see no reason why fish so handled should not be loaded into refrigerator cars which, after unloading and airing, may go into other refrigerator service. Damage to refrigerator cars in fish traffic and much fish deterioration has been due to heavy meltage of ice in the fish packages, because the-car was not cold enough at the beginning to reduce the meltage. This difficulty can be overcome by salting the ice in the bunkers. During the haul, the bunkers in summer time must be iced and salted every 24 hours.

 

Re: Shipping Fish

Bob Chaparro
 

And I did find this information.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
++++

The text below is from Refrigerating World, Volume 54, Issue 2 (September 1919).

TRANSPORTATION OF FISH

The speed at which fish decay is not so striking as the length of time that fish will keep under proper conditions. according to the Food Research Laboratory of the Bureau of Chemistry, United States Department of Agriculture. Investigations in the handling of fresh fish—from the catch to the consumer—which have been underway for several years, have shown that when refrigerator cars are properly iced and the fish are properly packed, they can be transported even in midsummer for distances requiring five days of travel, and they will reach the market in excellent condition for eating. In fact, fish so shipped will be much "fresher" at the markets than fish shipped without refrigeration in fast express cars for 24 hours or less.

For successful shipping of fish by freight in refrigerator cars, the investigators outline the following instructions:

Keep Fish Packages Off Floor

Select a refrigerator car that has doors and hatches so tight that not a ray of light can enter. If the car is not provided with a rack in the floor, build one, placing 2 by 4 stringers lengthwise of the floor and nailing crosswise slats —1 by 3 inches—about 11/; inches apart. No car of fresh fish should be shipped without a rack on the floor.

With the car prepared, the bunkers should be filled with ice at least 12 hours before loading. The pieces of ice should not be larger than a man’s fist. Just before the car is loaded the ice in the bunkers should be replenished, and on top of the ice should be placed coarse gray rock salt in the proportion of 5 percent of the ice. Most refrigerating cars will require from 3,500 to 5,000 pounds of ice in each bunker. If the capacity of the bunkers is not marked, it can be determined by counting the number of cakes used, in the case of artificial ice, or by rough weighing, in the case of natural ice. The amount of salt required ordinarily will vary between 170 and 250 pounds to each bunker.

Only Package Ice in Cars

Fish to be placed in the car must be in boxes or barrels, plentifully supplied with fine ice. They should be hurried into the car, that the doors may not be kept open any longer than necessary. As soon as the load is stowed, the doors should be closed and sealed, and the haul should begin as promptly as possible. No ice except that in the packages investigators say, to cover a load of fish with fine ice, or to place heavy ice “headers” on the barrels.

The same principle can be used with much success for the shipment of less-than-carload lots, provided the car is chilled when the trip is begun, and the trainmen close the doors promptly after each change in the lading.

Hauling fish in refrigerator cars under the conditions outlined does not harm the car by wetting the lining with fishy water to any greater extent than does ice-packed poultry or iced vegetables, and railroad officials will find value in knowledge of this fact, declare the investigators. They see no reason why fish so handled should not be loaded into refrigerator cars which, after unloading and airing, may go into other refrigerator service. Damage to refrigerator cars in fish traffic and much fish deterioration has been due to heavy meltage of ice in the fish packages, because the-car was not cold enough at the beginning to reduce the meltage. This difficulty can be overcome by salting the ice in the bunkers. During the haul, the bunkers in summer time must be iced and salted every 24 hours.

 

Re: Certainly a "Steam Era" freight car!

Steven D Johnson
 

Ike,

 

Thanks for that photo!  I certainly agree with your statement that L&N had some of the oddest, home-built MofW equipment.

 

In the Morning Sun Books L&N Color Guide, Volume 2, page 87, there is a shot of this same car at Mobile, AL, in July 1968.  The flat car/low side gondola portion was painted “boxcar red,” while the “steam engine” was painted black.

 

Steve Johnson

Nashville, TN

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of George Eichelberger
Sent: Friday, January 03, 2020 11:54 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Certainly a "Steam Era" freight car!

 

While looking for Bucyrus cranes on flat cars, I re-discovered the attached photo of L&N MoW flat 41839 in a pile driver outfit 5-17-70 at Atlanta. (low res version attached)

It is from the Southern Railway Historical Assoc archives, Oscar Kimsey, Jr collection. (One of 459 items in Oscar's L&N MoW file). Of all the Southeastern railroads, the L&N may have some of the oddest, home-built MoW equipment.

Ike