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MDT orange ?

mopacfirst
 

Related to a couple of the previous posts --

From a colorblind guy with particular difficulty with reds, oranges and pinks.  Could I have a suggestion on the MDT orange as used on steel cars in the 50s and later, after the end of the white scheme?  How close is it to PFE orange / Daylight orange?

I once mixed a color with Floquil, but a) I've lost all track of those color mixes, b) Floquil mixes no longer matter anyway.

Ron Merrick

SNT update

Greg Martin
 

This year's SHAKE N TAKE seminar is the Santa Fe's BX-34 40-foot single door boxcar as presented by our own John Barry.

This year's car gets back the heart of SHAKE N TAKE being simplicity, as Richard reminds me, "keep it simple enough that it doesn't sit on the shelf and never gets build."

John has the underframe completed and he has worked diligently on the decal work for the kit. Intermountain is supplying the kits again this year., and we thanks them for their sponsorship.

Let me remind you that you have to be present to be considered and you must be willing to build the kit or return it to me to be redistributed to someone willing to build the kit. Be considerate before you commit.

Let me remind you everyone that there a total of 36 slots, 10 reserved for the registration desk and 25 online slots. There will be a reserved list and likely if there is enough interest as in the past we will release aftermarket parts.

Greg Martin

  1. Fenton Wells
  2. Monte Switzer
  3. Mike Smeltzer
  4. Ed Shoben
  5. Bruce Smith
  6. Richard Townsend
  7. Dr J Brent Greer
  8. Roger Hinman
  9. Craig Zeni
  10. Tom Sinks
  11. Mark Kapka
  12. Paul Bizier
  13. Steve Hile
  14. TJ Stranton
  15. Bill Raymond
  16. John Cantlay
  17. Bill Darnaby
  18. George Corral
  19. Steve Orth
  20. Schuyler Larrabee
  21. Jim Singer 
  22. Kevin von der Lippe
  23. Henry Horn
  24. Tony Thompson
  25. Mike Brock
  26. Mike Skibbe
Reserve list
  1. Alex Schneider
  2. Chuck Davis
  3.  

--
Hey Boss,


Somehow I got deleted from this group in late May. I guess someone didn't like me. Jail is a lonely place.

Greg Martin 

Re: NPDX 60235 circa 1924

Greg Martin
 

Best part of this photo is the shades of the boards, my minds eye converts them to color. Great photo.

Greg Martin



-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Dec 2, 2019 12:49 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] NPDX 60235 circa 1924

On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 05:11 AM, Brian Rochon wrote:
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-12-02-19/X3418.jpg
Interesting car. I'm away from my reference material; could someone check if it is a nominal 36' car, please? I note the underframe, end sills, and striker casting / drawbar carrier are identical to the NYC designed items on the car that was the prototype for the Accurail 36' boxcar, in fact, the car could be kitbashed from our wood end 36' boxcar and our wood reefer sides. I know the NKP had identical boxcars to the NYC version, likely ordered by NYC for the Lake Erie & Western before they sold that road to the NKP. It would appear that these cars have the same origin, but I was unaware that the NYC had a reefer version of these cars.

Dennis Storzek

--
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Somehow I got deleted from this group in late May. I guess someone didn't like me. Jail is a lonely place.

Greg Martin 

Re: Missing Photo Collection

Bill Welch
 

Is this the site you are thinking of Bill?
https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/

Bill Welch

Re: Photo: MDT 145474

Dave Parker
 

Claus: 

The reporting marks cars in that series were changed from LS&M to MDT in 1923 -- thus the patch job.  Note they were also rebuilt as per the stencil in the photo.  AFAIK, the most obvious feature of the rebuild was the change in door dimensions -- from short and squat with four hinges per side, to what you see in the photo.  Based on the ORERs, this conversion was MOL complete across the fleet of pre-war MDT reefers by about 1926.

--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA

Re: Photo: PFE Reefers

Dick Harley
 

That photo also illustrates the practice of having 5 grab irons on the side and end on early-built R-30-12 and R-30-13 bodies, while later bodies had 6 grab irons at the same location (car at left).


Cheers,
Dick Harley
Laguna Beach,  CA

Missing Photo Collection

WILLIAM PARDIE
 


Yesterday an email came in consisting of a very large collection of both freight and passenger car photos.While very excitingly going through this collection sudenly Pooof they disappeared from my phone not to be found in Trash or any other area.  This also wass not on my desktop computor when I checked.

It would be greatly appreciated if someone could forward this e-mail.. I would also like to know if these photos are for sale or if they can be copied from the e-mail.

Thanks for any help:

Bill Pardie

_._,_._,_

Re: Photo: MDT 145474

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Bob,
 
Thanks for all these great links you have been sending.
 
I notice the letters "M.D.T." seem to have been patch painted on, perhaps over some other letters that might have been there previously. This can be discerned on both the side and end reporting marks.
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2019 1:37 PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: MDT 145474

Photo: MDT 145474

This is link to a circa 1924 photo from the Erie Railfan site:

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-12-01-19/X3411.jpg

Photo taken in Jersey City, NJ, possibly in 1924.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Photo: PFE Reefers

lrkdbn
 

Actually, for me a very remarkable photo-the car on the right is one of the R-30-2's rebuilt with a new style R-30-13 body on the old Harriman underframe. I have been looking for one like this for YEARS!!!
Thank You!!!
Larry King

Photo: MDT 145474

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: MDT 145474

This is link to a circa 1924 photo from the Erie Railfan site:

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-12-01-19/X3411.jpg

Photo taken in Jersey City, NJ, possibly in 1924.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Photo: PFE Reefers

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: PFE Reefers

This is link to a 1928 photo from the collection of the University of Utah:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s6xd39nd

Not a remarkable or good quality photo but it does show the PFE practice at the time of putting the SP herald on the side with the B end to the right and the UP herald on the side with the B end to the left.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Photo: D&RGW Gondola With Load Of Mine Cars

Bob Webber
 

1916 was the beginning of the bankruptcy / reorg.   The D&RG had sent a few thousand freight cars, and had purchased more (on the Extension's behalf).  This was a combination of old and new - including some from the RGW days.  Some were convertible cars (NG/SG) - though most of those were gone.  You can imagine that building the WP took "a few" cars to haul building materials (mainly because a certain Friendly road was for some strange reason, not assisting) and spoilage. 

You take a 1900 era car - which was only 10 years old at this time - and you start hauling loads they were never designed for - some "live" from the standpoint of stays - and you end up with trucks, bolsters, draft gear, and not much else.

Note that those new cars are house cars.  Most of the D&RG freight cars were flats, convertible, gons...with a bunch of RGW boxes.   After 5+ years of hard work in very dry conditions, a lot were deemed unusable (if not unmovable).  As we all know, one of the nice things about wood vs steel is "any carpenter" can take a wood car that is DOA and bring it back to life.  During this period, there were dozens of passenger cars that had been deems scrapped - and were miraculously resurrected as the new company came to be. 

We all have seen how a reorganized company can come in and sweep with the new brush.  One of the first things they do is take an inspection trip and note all the scrap on the side of the track.  I think the CRI&P did that and got enough back (from the scrapping) to purchase more modern locomotives.  So...on both ends of the former D&RG, new companies went through and had to detail what they had and what could be repaired - and what was written off.  Note the timing - 1916.  The beginning of the Valuation surveys.  Perhaps more than any other time, this was a requirement to review every asset and determine value, viability, and future. Many freight cars that went to the Extension simply could not come back (in the state found).  Does the new company send teams to retrieve the steel and rebuild, or do they receive the benefits from loads of scrap?  The reorg also gives railroads a perfect opportunity to purchase new equipment (often as not, that's a prime reason for the reorg). If you can shove the overworked to the "other" side of the Ledger, while filling the "left" side with new cars...

The D&RG had been a cash cow for the MP & Gould.  That's why they were forced to extend to the Pacific.  Once out of the foreign control, that meant that the cash was going to home. and staying.  They  never got back to the halcyon days of pre-Extension, but they continued work through the 20s and 30s to rebuild the railroad, both in physical plant and in equipment. And that equipment still stayed close to the WP/MP.  Some locomotives were close to the WP, some were closer to the UP (the 1600s were basically a 4-12-2 with the 2 drivers and boiler removed). 

But you'd see an influx of new steel cars being used by the D&RGW in 1923 - not only because of the aforementioned, but also due to the rigors of the WWI traffic & USRA "management".


At 02:14 PM 12/2/2019, Tony Thompson wrote:
Bob Webber wrote:

1923 is the year the sparrows came back - all passenger cars purchased to modernize & equip the WP were brought back to the D&RG, WP had to purchase new cars.  The same thing happened to an extent with freight, though WP kept a lot. 

     I have always understood that most of the D&RG freight cars used by WP at its beginning were returned in 1916, when they bought 1000 new box cars of their own.

Tony Thompson
tony@...


Bob Webber

Re: I'm late.. Let's get this started Shake n Take 2020 is open

Mont Switzer
 

Hey Greg, sign me up if not already.  See you in the sunshine.  Mont

 

Montford L. Switzer

President

Switzer Tank Lines, Inc.

Fall Creek Leasing, LLC.

mswitzer@...

(765) 836-2914

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Greg Martin via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 10:20 PM
To: shake-n-take@groups.io; RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] I'm late.. Let's get this started Shake n Take 2020 is open

 

I'm late from a meeting (my life story).

This year's SHAKE N TAKE seminar is the Santa Fe's BX-34 40-foot single door boxcar as presented by our own John Barry.

This year's car gets back the heart of SHAKE N TAKE being simplicity, as Richard reminds me, "keep it simple enough that it doesn't sit on the shelf and never gets build."

John has the underframe completed and he has worked diligently on the decal work for the kit. Intermountain is supplying the kits again this year., and we thanks them for their sponsorship.

Let me remind you that you have to be present to be considered and you must be willing to build the kit or return it to me to be redistributed to someone willing to build the kit. Be considerate before you commit.

Let me remind you everyone that there a total of 36 slots, 10 reserved for the registration desk and 25 online slots. There will be a reserved list and likely if there is enough interest as in the past we will release aftermarket parts.

Greg Martin


--
Hey Boss,


Somehow I got deleted from this group in late May. I guess someone didn't like me. Jail is a lonely place.

Greg Martin 

Re: Keeley Cans; Was, Chalk Marks On Boxcar

gtws00
 

Guy,
Thanks for posting this information
George Toman

Re: 2018 Chicagoland RPM Mini Kit Instructions

gtws00
 

I have attached the 2018 Chicagoland RPM Attendee-Program that includes the instructions

George Toman

Re: 2018 Chicagoland RPM Mini Kit Instructions

Eric Hansmann
 

Tom,

This was also released by Resin Car Works as a mini-kit. Instructions can be found on the extras page for the kit. Scroll to the bottom for the PDF link.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN



On December 2, 2019 at 8:30 PM Tom Lawler < tjlawler@...> wrote:


I have a 2018 Chicagoland RPM Mini Kit (FGEX Reefer). I have no idea what happened to the instructions. Could someone send me the instructions so I could build the car.

Thank you for helping!

Tom






Re: CB&Q class FM-11 flat car 91248

Paul Doggett
 

Lester 

Another fine model.

Paul Doggett.  England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 2 Dec 2019, at 23:52, Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:

I have finished  another resin kit I enjoyed building, a CB&Q class FM-11 steel fish belly side flat car I numbered 91248.  It is an excellent resin kit purchased from Jerry Hamsmith at Chicagoland RPM.  If you are interested, photos and writeup of the build including paint and weathering are now available on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you would like to take a look please do at the following link:

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

Lester Breuer

Re: 2018 Chicagoland RPM Mini Kit Instructions

skibbs4
 

Tom-

The 2018 program that includes instructions is available here:


On the 2019 page you can access George Toman’s masterclass on building the car:


Hope this helps. 

Mike Skibbe
www.rpmconference.com


On Dec 2, 2019, at 9:31 PM, Tom Lawler <tjlawler@...> wrote:

I have a 2018 Chicagoland RPM Mini Kit (FGEX Reefer). I have no idea what happened to the instructions. Could someone send me the instructions so I could build the car.

Thank you for helping!

Tom






SNT is almost Full taking reserves

Greg Martin
 

This year's SHAKE N TAKE seminar is the Santa Fe's BX-34 40-foot single door boxcar as presented by our own John Barry.

This year's car gets back the heart of SHAKE N TAKE being simplicity, as Richard reminds me, "keep it simple enough that it doesn't sit on the shelf and never gets build."

John has the underframe completed and he has worked diligently on the decal work for the kit. Intermountain is supplying the kits again this year., and we thanks them for their sponsorship.

Let me remind you that you have to be present to be considered and you must be willing to build the kit or return it to me to be redistributed to someone willing to build the kit. Be considerate before you commit.

Let me remind you everyone that there a total of 36 slots, 10 reserved for the registration desk and 25 online slots. There will be a reserved list and likely if there is enough interest as in the past we will release aftermarket parts.

Greg Martin

  1. Fenton Wells
  2. Monte Switzer
  3. Mike Smeltzer
  4. Ed Shoben
  5. Bruce Smith
  6. Richard Townsend
  7. Dr J Brent Greer
  8. Roger Hinman
  9. Craig Zeni
  10. Tom Sinks
  11. Mark Kapka
  12. Paul Bizier
  13. Steve Hile
  14. TJ Stranton
  15. Bill Raymond
  16. John Cantlay
  17. Bill Darnaby
  18. George Corral
  19. Steve Orth
  20. Schuyler Larrabee
  21. Jim Singer 
  22. Bill Raymond
  23. Henry Horn
  24. Tony Thompson
  25. Mike Brock




--
Hey Boss,


Somehow I got deleted from this group in late May. I guess someone didn't like me. Jail is a lonely place.

Greg Martin 

Re: Photo: R-50-1 (was PFE/WP Reefer)

Tony Thompson
 

Or it’s freshly washed.
Tony Thompson 


On Dec 2, 2019, at 7:16 PM, Dick Harley via Groups.Io <dick.harley4up@...> wrote:


Nice find for the pre-WWII crowd, Tim.

I don't believe the March 1941 photo date, though.  The car is freshly painted, and that is definitely NOT a 1941 lettering scheme.
The scan is too low res to read the reweigh data - bummer.


Cheers,
Dick Harley
Laguna Beach,  CA