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Re: IC-NRC reefer

Bruce Smith
 

Gang,

I'm puzzled. The car Jim posted has a door and a half PLUG door. The IM car has regular reefer doors. Indeed, IM did an NRC/IC paint job on this car (40518-11), which is the IM R-40-23. Stan did kits for the IC 50000-50299 and 50300-50499 reefers based on the IM R-40-23 with new resin sides, but I don't thing that these are the car in Jim's post, which is in the NRC 20000 series... or am I missing something?

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Jeffrey White <jrwhite@...>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 3:49 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] IC-NRC reefer
 

Intermountain 40518-03 is close.  The car has black ends and a silver roof.

Jeff White

Alma, IL

On 5/13/2020 3:11 PM, Jim King wrote:

Has this car been produced in HO?  Diamond emblem is green, roof and ends are reddish-brown, body is dull yellow.  I found a pic of a similar car on the Abingdon Branch hauling “seeding potatoes” in LCL, no refrigeration, just being used for insulation.

 

Jim King

http://smokymountainmodelworks.com/

 

Re: REMOVING FACTORY LETTERING

Charlie Vlk
 

Dick-

Sounds like the “hot stamp” process which Lionel used on many of their tinplate cars.  It has been used in HO and N but not as much as the Tampo process.  The heat tends to melt in the lettering to the body.  I think it is used for printing silver window frames on raised clear inserts by some factories.

Charlie Vlk

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dick Harley via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 2:39 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] REMOVING FACTORY LETTERING

 


Bill,

For the past 20 years or so (maybe more), I believe most Korean factory lettered brass has used what I understand to be a "thermal" decal process.  In that process the lettering is on a film which is applied to the model.  Then, it is heated to set the lettering on the model, and the film is removed.  It looks like pad printing, since there is no film left on the model, but it is very much more difficult to remove.  I have not yet done too much experimenting, and I should do more.  I have yet to find a chemical that softens the lettering.  It may be that the lettering needs to be removed mechanically (it's on top of the base colors), and then the surface buffed back to a smooth finish.  


Probably not what you wanted to hear,
Dick Harley

Re: IC-NRC reefer

Tony Thompson
 

Intermountain 40518-03 is close.  The car has black ends and a silver roof.

        The silver roof was as-buiilt. They got repainted within a couple of years.

Tony Thompson



Re: IC-NRC reefer

Rich C
 

Jim, Stan Rydarowicz made kit-conversions of this style, using an Intermountain R-40-23 as a core. As you probably well know Stan passed away several years ago and no one that I know of has his original masters.

Rich Christie


On Wednesday, May 13, 2020, 03:11:52 PM CDT, Jim King <jimking3@...> wrote:


Has this car been produced in HO?  Diamond emblem is green, roof and ends are reddish-brown, body is dull yellow.  I found a pic of a similar car on the Abingdon Branch hauling “seeding potatoes” in LCL, no refrigeration, just being used for insulation.

 

Jim King

http://smokymountainmodelworks.com/

 

Re: IC-NRC reefer

Jeffrey White
 

Intermountain 40518-03 is close.  The car has black ends and a silver roof.

Jeff White

Alma, IL

On 5/13/2020 3:11 PM, Jim King wrote:

Has this car been produced in HO?  Diamond emblem is green, roof and ends are reddish-brown, body is dull yellow.  I found a pic of a similar car on the Abingdon Branch hauling “seeding potatoes” in LCL, no refrigeration, just being used for insulation.

 

Jim King

http://smokymountainmodelworks.com/

 

IC-NRC reefer

Jim King
 

Has this car been produced in HO?  Diamond emblem is green, roof and ends are reddish-brown, body is dull yellow.  I found a pic of a similar car on the Abingdon Branch hauling “seeding potatoes” in LCL, no refrigeration, just being used for insulation.

 

Jim King

http://smokymountainmodelworks.com/

 

Re: Photo: Hopper Blooper

Dennis Storzek
 

On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 11:30 AM, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) wrote:
I’m surprised the water is so shallow at this point, I would have expected it to be deeper.
 
You can tell from the high water mark on the pilings that they are working at low tide to make rigging easier. I don't expect those car floats draft very much at all.

Dennis Storzek

Re: Photo: Hopper Blooper

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi Bob and List Members,
 
Nice photo. I’m surprised the water is so shallow at this point, I would have expected it to be deeper.
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

From: Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 2:17 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Hopper Blooper
 

Photo: Hopper Blooper

This is a photo from the Erie Lackawanna E-Mail List Photo Archive:

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-05-07-20/X0687.jpg

I wonder if someone violated Rule G?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Photo: Hopper Blooper

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Hopper Blooper

This is a photo from the Erie Lackawanna E-Mail List Photo Archive:

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-05-07-20/X0687.jpg

I wonder if someone violated Rule G?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: PE Gondola

Tony Thompson
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:

Bob I can't quite make it out - Is it possible that gondola's SP emblem has no black background? I think people
were recently asking about that.

      I think this one is black. The period of shops (wrongly) not using a black background was fairly brief. A memo (that is at CSRM) went out soon, correcting any misunderstandings. The stimulus, I guess, was the short time during which SP bought black gondolas, which of course needed no background on the emblem.

Tony Thompson



Re: PE Gondola

Tim O'Connor
 


Bob I can't quite make it out - Is it possible that gondola's SP emblem has no black background? I think people
were recently asking about that.

Tim O'Connor


On 5/13/2020 7:44 AM, Bob Webber wrote:
I'm going through an old album of my father's - the date is likely around 1952, as others are of that era.  About 68 years ago. 

I doubt anyone would guess where this was taken, or on which railroad.  

This Pacific Electric GS Gondola, was taken on either of two lines, the Soo Line, or the MT&W, as at this time, he was with his parents in beautiful Tomahawk, WI.  He hadn't yet started working for the PRR, though he had been studying in Milwaukee. 

A pity that he didn't have a nice digital video or even a good cell phone w/camera. Changed the hobby, in many ways. 

There is an outside chance of this being on the DM&IR as there are a host of steam locomotives of the Missabe - but several pages past this page.  But this is in between the Soo FAs & steam and the MT&W steam.   It was well after the Grab Baggage & Walk steam & early diesels.   Any way you cut it, a long way from home....

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: 10' High by 8' Wide Superior Doors

Tim O'Connor
 


Doors for inside height 10'6" cars are shorter than that - and doors for a 10' IH box car are
usually around 9'6" tall.

The good news is that scratchbuilding a Superior door is easy with Evergreen strips. And the
doors often had subtle differences - the panels were not all the same size, much of the time. :-)


On 5/12/2020 3:30 PM, Richard Townsend via groups.io wrote:
The C&BT boxcars with 8' doors have 7-panel Superior doors that measure 10' tall. Ditto for Branchline. I don't know if that is too tall for your needs (yes, I know the underlying kits are for cars taller than 10' - I'm just trying to be helpful and informative). I also have a pair of 8' Superior doors from an unknown source that measure 10'3" tall. They seem to be from a Robin's Rails PS-1 kit.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Jesionowski via groups.io <dti406@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Tue, May 12, 2020 7:26 am
Subject: [RealSTMFC] 10' High by 8' Wide Superior Doors

Is there any source of 8' wide Superior Doors for a 10' IH Boxcar?

If not looks like scratcbulding time.

Rick Jesionowski


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

PE Gondola

Bob Webber
 

I'm going through an old album of my father's - the date is likely around 1952, as others are of that era.  About 68 years ago. 

I doubt anyone would guess where this was taken, or on which railroad.  

This Pacific Electric GS Gondola, was taken on either of two lines, the Soo Line, or the MT&W, as at this time, he was with his parents in beautiful Tomahawk, WI.  He hadn't yet started working for the PRR, though he had been studying in Milwaukee. 

A pity that he didn't have a nice digital video or even a good cell phone w/camera. Changed the hobby, in many ways. 

There is an outside chance of this being on the DM&IR as there are a host of steam locomotives of the Missabe - but several pages past this page.  But this is in between the Soo FAs & steam and the MT&W steam.   It was well after the Grab Baggage & Walk steam & early diesels.   Any way you cut it, a long way from home....


Bob Webber

Re: Milk cars

Roger Huber
 

Hi, Don.

I like those Roundhouse 40' Pfaudler cars a lot. They look good to me. The round top/bottom 40' car is neat too but I need some can cars. I don't like the looks of the old MDC/Roundhouse cars. They are too squat looking for my tastes.

I was thinking of taking the Athearn 50' express reefer and cutting the ends off then cutting at the I/B ends of the ice hatches and then putting it all back together as a shorter, approx 40', car. 

I'm wanting something for my layout for a dairy that uses both can and bulk cars. Nothing prototypical except the name of a dairy from my home town. They had no rail service but I want to include milk cars so why not? The normal operating scheme would require 2 can and 2 bulk cars.

Thanks for your help and links.

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Tuesday, May 12, 2020, 08:49:17 PM CDT, Donald B. Valentine via groups.io <riverman_vt@...> wrote:



Roger Huber wrote: 

"I have 4 of the Roundhouse 40' GPEX wooden Pfaulder cars. They are very nice cars with, I'm sure, many faults but I like them. I was just looking for some bulk cars with a bit more looks appeal to them. I like the rounded top/bottom GPEX metal Pfaudler cars too.

I need to find some can cars with more appeal too. I need 40' cars so the Walthers, Athearn & BLI cars don't work for me."


    Roger, what roads and milk processors do you seek cars for. Perhaps I can assist further with that info having organized three weekend long milk car meets in the early 2000's and lost count of the number of milk car clinics provided. The Roundhouse- Athearn 40 ft.milk car is the best one in styrene IMO. The Walthers car is also fine if
you remove the rivets on the side of the car that anchored the ice bunker in the refrigerated express reefer version. The InterMountain GPEX milk car even has the correct rivet count but the slope of the roof is just plain WRONG which they were told before it went into production so the Wegmann reefer folks are not the only ones disgusted with InterMountain. The old Roundhouse 50 ft. car models a Lehigh Valley prototype but I cannot so how well or not so well. The Athearn express reefer from the late 1960's is also useable. I removed the ice hatch hinges, smoothed up the roof, covered the ice hatch holes with cellophane tape and filled the holes with two part epoxy from the inside of the carbody when these cars were released and lived with them for some years. The Athearn carbody can be reduced to 40 ft. in length and modified a bit to make an acceptable to most model of a CV can type of milk car used more in freight than passenger service on the CV. Of the brass milk cars available beware of the 50 ft. PSC wood sheathed car for which I've never found a prototype though the 40ft. version is a swell model.

My best, Don Valentine

Re: Milk cars

Donald B. Valentine
 


Roger Huber wrote: 

"I have 4 of the Roundhouse 40' GPEX wooden Pfaulder cars. They are very nice cars with, I'm sure, many faults but I like them. I was just looking for some bulk cars with a bit more looks appeal to them. I like the rounded top/bottom GPEX metal Pfaudler cars too.

I need to find some can cars with more appeal too. I need 40' cars so the Walthers, Athearn & BLI cars don't work for me."


    Roger, what roads and milk processors do you seek cars for. Perhaps I can assist further with that info having organized three weekend long milk car meets in the early 2000's and lost count of the number of milk car clinics provided. The Roundhouse- Athearn 40 ft.milk car is the best one in styrene IMO. The Walthers car is also fine if
you remove the rivets on the side of the car that anchored the ice bunker in the refrigerated express reefer version. The InterMountain GPEX milk car even has the correct rivet count but the slope of the roof is just plain WRONG which they were told before it went into production so the Wegmann reefer folks are not the only ones disgusted with InterMountain. The old Roundhouse 50 ft. car models a Lehigh Valley prototype but I cannot so how well or not so well. The Athearn express reefer from the late 1960's is also useable. I removed the ice hatch hinges, smoothed up the roof, covered the ice hatch holes with cellophane tape and filled the holes with two part epoxy from the inside of the carbody when these cars were released and lived with them for some years. The Athearn carbody can be reduced to 40 ft. in length and modified a bit to make an acceptable to most model of a CV can type of milk car used more in freight than passenger service on the CV. Of the brass milk cars available beware of the 50 ft. PSC wood sheathed car for which I've never found a prototype though the 40ft. version is a swell model.

My best, Don Valentine

Re: Milk cars

Donald B. Valentine
 

That's correct Don.It was more like 15 years ago but I couldn't get enough interest to warrant
the work and investment for a two car prototype.

My best, Don Valentine

Re: Milk cars

Allen Cain
 

Didn't F&C make these years ago?  I think I may have two kits stashed away?

Not on their current list.

Allen Cain

PE Gondola

Bob Webber
 

I'm going through an old album of my father's - the date is likely around 1952, as others are of that era.  About 68 years ago. 

I doubt anyone would guess where this was taken, or on which railroad.  

This Pacific Electric GS Gondola, was taken on either of two lines, the Soo Line, or the MT&W, as at this time, he was with his parents in beautiful Tomahawk, WI.  He hadn't yet started working for the PRR, though he had been studying in Milwaukee. 

A pity that he didn't have a nice digital video or even a good cell phone w/camera. Changed the hobby, in many ways. 

There is an outside chance of this being on the DM&IR as there are a host of steam locomotives of the Missabe - but several pages past this page.  But this is in between the Soo FAs and the MT&W steam.   It was well after the Grab Baggage & Walk steam & early diesels.   Any way you cut it, a long way from home....


Bob Webber

Re: ID Help With Container Car

Doug Auburg
 

Re: ID Help With Container Car
From: Tim O'Connor
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 06:19:09 PDT


CALCIUM CARBIDE containers. Not waste, but evidently nasty stuff

 

Calcium carbide used to be the source of acetylene gas for welding & cutting – just add water.  (i.e. your containers had better be very water tight or bad things happen.)

 

Doug Auburg

Re: Milk cars

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Friends,

Thought different from the Hood cars, F&C offers a National Car Co. prototype with milk containers (and freight containers too).


Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆


On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 7:37 PM Donald B. Valentine via groups.io <riverman_vt=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
    I'm sorry, Roger, but think you're out of luck in finding a model of the two GPEX - H.P. Hood
"butterdish" style cars short of scratchbuilt ones.

My best, Don Valentine