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Re: ERDX Reefers

Benjamin Hom
 

Doug Harding wrote:
"I have this drawing, saved as ERDX 11000-11049. However nothing on the drawing says it is ERDX, so cannot confirm. Nor do I know the source, but suspect it came via this last as we have discussed ERDX cars before."

Source is Terry Link's website.

ERDX 11000-11049, rebuilt 1958 at DSI from Lot 734-B boxcars.


Ben Hom
 

Re: ERDX Reefers

Douglas Harding
 

I  have this drawing, saved as ERDX 11000-11049. However nothing on the drawing says it is ERDX, so cannot confirm. Nor do I know the source, but suspect it came via this last as we have discussed ERDX cars before.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Todd Sullivan via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 12:01 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ERDX Reefers

 

Hi Tim,

This is a very interesting photo, but I'm not sure it represents the ERDX cars in my 1952 ORER.  The overall length of the 1952 ERDX 9000 series was 42'-6", and all the other MDT owned cars were 41'-6", and the 9000 series had a 2601 cu.ft. capacity while most other MDT cars had capacities from 1900 cu.ft. to around 2000 cu.ft.  The 1952 9000 series also is clearly listed as an AAR Mech. Designation RB, and they have a Note F that states, "Cars numbered E.R.D.X. 9000 to 9999 and M.D.T. 9955 and 9962 have sliding doors 5 ft. wide and 7 ft. high."  All other MDT owned cars had 4 ft. wide by 6 ft. and a few inches high.  Also, there were only 38 cars in the 9000-9999 series and apparently only 2 in the 9955-9962 series.

I think the ERDX 9772 in your photo is an earlier car, and it has ice hatches on both end of the roof and its lettering states "Ventilated Refrigerator".  I don''t see a built date in photo, but the capacity is clearly 2086 cu.ft. and the I.L. is 33ft. 11 in. which doesn't match anything in my 1952 ORER (MDT, FGEX, etc.).  I wish I had my Westerfield 1943 ORER to see if there were other cars of this size as that date, but it's in storage.  

Curiouser and curioser.  Does anyone else have anything to contribute?

Todd Sullivan

Re: Sanborn Fire Insurance Maps: Milwaukee In 1910

Jake Schaible
 

Bob,

If you like that, you'll love what the LoC is doing.  They claim to have some 25,000 now, but report they are targeting to put some 500,000 Sanborn maps, high rez digitized / enhanced and posted free online in 2020.  

https://www.loc.gov/item/prn-17-074/sanborn-fire-insurance-maps-now-online/2017-05-25/

https://www.loc.gov/collections/sanborn-maps/about-this-collection/

Re: Nalco Weed Sprayer and tank cars

Steve and Barb Hile
 

According to a 1966 ORER, Nalco owned 18 such cars numbered 101, 103-105 and 108-121.  Here is a shot I found of 120 working on the Rock Island in Peoria.
 
The tank cars appear to be a mix in both shots including a UTLX car behind 120.
 
It is not clear when these cars were first used, but the NALCO name apparently arrived circa 1959 shortened from National Aluminite Company, according to Wikipedia.
 
Steve Hile



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Doug Forbes
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2019 11:13 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Nalco Weed Sprayer and tank cars

I am looking for help in potentially modeling this Nalco weed sprayer train that was running on the C&EI in 1959 as photographed by J. Parker Lamb.  I am looking for ideas on a good HO scale starting box car to modify into the weed sprayer as well as who might have owned the tank cars (I think Nalco owned them from other research I found) what would be good starting models for them as well.  I'm looking for any guesses or hunches or commentary you might have.  
Thanks to all!

Re: ERDX Reefers

Todd Sullivan
 

Hi Tim,

This is a very interesting photo, but I'm not sure it represents the ERDX cars in my 1952 ORER.  The overall length of the 1952 ERDX 9000 series was 42'-6", and all the other MDT owned cars were 41'-6", and the 9000 series had a 2601 cu.ft. capacity while most other MDT cars had capacities from 1900 cu.ft. to around 2000 cu.ft.  The 1952 9000 series also is clearly listed as an AAR Mech. Designation RB, and they have a Note F that states, "Cars numbered E.R.D.X. 9000 to 9999 and M.D.T. 9955 and 9962 have sliding doors 5 ft. wide and 7 ft. high."  All other MDT owned cars had 4 ft. wide by 6 ft. and a few inches high.  Also, there were only 38 cars in the 9000-9999 series and apparently only 2 in the 9955-9962 series.

I think the ERDX 9772 in your photo is an earlier car, and it has ice hatches on both end of the roof and its lettering states "Ventilated Refrigerator".  I don''t see a built date in photo, but the capacity is clearly 2086 cu.ft. and the I.L. is 33ft. 11 in. which doesn't match anything in my 1952 ORER (MDT, FGEX, etc.).  I wish I had my Westerfield 1943 ORER to see if there were other cars of this size as that date, but it's in storage.  

Curiouser and curioser.  Does anyone else have anything to contribute?

Todd Sullivan

Nalco Weed Sprayer and tank cars

Doug Forbes
 

I am looking for help in potentially modeling this Nalco weed sprayer train that was running on the C&EI in 1959 as photographed by J. Parker Lamb.  I am looking for ideas on a good HO scale starting box car to modify into the weed sprayer as well as who might have owned the tank cars (I think Nalco owned them from other research I found) what would be good starting models for them as well.  I'm looking for any guesses or hunches or commentary you might have.  
Thanks to all!

Re: Sanborn Fire Insurance Maps: Milwaukee In 1910

John Barry
 

Bob,

The other volumes are there too!  Just change the # at the end of your link from 1 to 2 through 8.

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


On Sunday, November 10, 2019, 09:44:43 PM EST, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


Sanborn Fire Insurance Maps: Milwaukee In 1910

I stumbled across this link:

https://liblamp.uwm.edu/sanborn-pdf/Milwaukee1910Volume1.pdf

There are 198 pages IN COLOR with some pages showing railroad lines, facilities and customers. I'm told these maps are generally accurate but may not be accurate as to specific details.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Help finding photos of 100-599 NRC express refrigerator cars.

npin53
 

One more that I have. 

Help finding photos of 100-599 NRC express refrigerator cars.

npin53
 
Edited

I'm looking for better pictures of NRC express refrigerators in 100-599 series. There were 427 cars in service in 1953. I have several poor or distant shots of the cars, but would like to see some of the details better along the side sill and on the ends.

I think there was a set of plans in one of the old Model Railroader Cyclopedia, maybe the 1940 edition.

Any help would be appreciated.

The BLM and Walthers express reefers appear similar, except for having ladders instead of grab irons.

Aaron Gjermundson

Sanborn Fire Insurance Maps: Milwaukee In 1910

Bob Chaparro
 

Sanborn Fire Insurance Maps: Milwaukee In 1910

I stumbled across this link:

https://liblamp.uwm.edu/sanborn-pdf/Milwaukee1910Volume1.pdf

There are 198 pages IN COLOR with some pages showing railroad lines, facilities and customers. I'm told these maps are generally accurate but may not be accurate as to specific details.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: ERDX Reefers

Armand Premo
 

Thank you Tony,Todd and Tim,Now to find a close model and decals.Any suggestions ? Armand Premo

On Sun, Nov 10, 2019 at 5:09 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

ERDX reefer (attached)

Later on there were at least two groups of insulated box cars.


On 11/9/2019 8:23 PM, Todd Sullivan via Groups.Io wrote:
> Armand,
>
> ERDX was one of the reporting marks owned by Merchants Despatch
> Transportation Corp.  My January 1952 ORER lists ERDX 9900-9999 as the
> only series.  They were 42' long RB's (bunkerless reefers = insulated
> boxcars) with 5' sliding (plug) doors.
>
> Todd Sullivan


--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*



Re: DL&W gondola with a load of wheels - October 1932

Donald B. Valentine
 

   I noticed those "protective shoes" as well, John, which I presume were to help keep the boom itself from
contacting the catenary within the Lackawanna's commuter territory.

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: Southern Railroad drop bottom gondola question

George Eichelberger
 

Black was the standard body color for open top cars until the standard was changed to Southern freight car brown in 1959/60. Black cars would have all be stenciled with Roman style lettering until that was changed slightly later, but still about 1960.

The new Tangent hopper correctly shows Roman lettering on a red car as was done until the color change caught up with the lettering. For a bit of trivia, the first ”Big John” covered hoppers were stenciled with Roman lettering. Most of the cars sat in storage while the 100-ton rate case was going through the courts. When Southern won the (SCOTUS) case and the cars were placed in service, their serif style lettering was changed to the new block style.

Ike

Re: Southern Railroad drop bottom gondola question

Tim O'Connor
 


yep - until they weren't any more. kinda depends on WHEN. In 1957=1958 a large
number of oxide red hoppers were delivered.

https://www.tangentscalemodels.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/SOU-281526-1000.jpg



On 11/9/2019 5:15 PM, Bill Welch wrote:
Southern open top cars were Black.

Bill Welch

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: ERDX Reefers

Tim O'Connor
 

ERDX reefer (attached)

Later on there were at least two groups of insulated box cars.

On 11/9/2019 8:23 PM, Todd Sullivan via Groups.Io wrote:
Armand,

ERDX was one of the reporting marks owned by Merchants Despatch Transportation Corp.  My January 1952 ORER lists ERDX 9900-9999 as the only series.  They were 42' long RB's (bunkerless reefers = insulated boxcars) with 5' sliding (plug) doors.

Todd Sullivan
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*

Re: For Those Building the 2019 Chicagoland Gift Kit. . .

Bill Welch
 

Here is my underframe as requested. This is from the Sunshine instructions.

Bill Welch

SP&S USRA DS Boxcar Photos

Sean Murphy
 

Does anyone have any SP&S double sheathed boxcar photos? Preferably from after 1940? I am doing a Westerfield kit build.

Re: Southern Railroad drop bottom gondola question

bigfourroad
 

Herewith the Enterprise Products advertising page from the Newton K Gregg reprints of the 1943 Car Builders Cyclopedia showing what I presume is your car.
I can tell you with some certainty it is black because the half tone images of other cars known to be red are gray to the eye.
Much later in the 1960's Southern adopted new paint schemes with oxide reds - I am not expert in which cars were repainted -- if interested you could contact the Southern Railway Historical Association here: www.srha.net/
Hope this helps.
C Rooney

Re: DL&W gondola with a load of wheels - October 1932

mofwcaboose
 

Idler car on the Hoboken wreck train (protective  shoes on the boom identify the crane as DL&W 95916, a 150-ton Bucyrus Company product).

John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL


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From: Brian Rochon <berochon@...>
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Sent: Sun, Nov 10, 2019 8:33 am
Subject: [RealSTMFC] DL&W gondola with a load of wheels - October 1932

Today on the Steamtown site.
 
 
Brian Rochon

How's Tichy doing currently, decal thickness and all?

Fred Jansz
 

Hi all,
I'm in need of a few Tichy decals sets.
I hesitate becaus in the near past the printing was very thick and would hide fine details like rivets.
Just wonder if the production changed and they are useable now, since my last order ended in the waste bin.
Your advice is welcome.
thanks.
Fred Jansz