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Re: Made a start (WP SS boxcar)

radiodial868
 

We've discussed the Single Sheath boxcars over on the WP Modelers FB site a couple of times. Bill Kennedy has decals that cover the 26000 series with the proper medallion. Here is an image of the cars in Plaster service that covers the roof a little better (but not perfectly). I keep playing with doing the Accurail conversion, but the more details I find out about the prototype, the more I keep going back to Sketch-up and playing with making parts to make a pattern master for Andrew Dahm to cast. It's doable - if I could just get the time. Such a common lament...
RJ Dial
Burlingame, CA

Re: Photos: Salt Lake, Garfield & Western Railway Boxcar 108

mel perry
 

just an add on, hundman did an article in
MM, describing how.to build a viking
radial roof, abd you correct regarding
the bolt heads, that was the identifing
charateristic of that roof, sorry can't
ptovife the issue, my collection got
recycled by accident, try late 80's or
early 90's
mel perry

On Fri, Dec 6, 2019, 1:57 PM Eric Lombard <elombard@...> wrote:
I, too, agree: SP System B-50-14 or B-50-14A. The former were built 1924 by SSC. Starting about 1932 most were rebuilt to Dreadnaught square corner 4-5 ends. Those that also got new bolsters and draft gear were classed B-50-14A. The ends did NOT have a reverse stamping in the upper panel, just the usual. Other photos of both the A and B ends of SLG&W 108 and SP System cars show that is so when the lighting is better. Many small details of rivet patterns confirm the rebuilt B-50-14 / -14A origin for #108. The cars were built with three kinds of roofs: early Viking, Hutchins Dry Lading, and Murphy Radial. Photos of #108 remove series with Murphy Radial from consideration. I'm not confident guessing between Viking or Hutchins based of the photos available to me. The outboard "bolt" on the seam caps seems rather more prominent than on a Hutchins Dry Lading perhaps indicating Viking? The 1956+ SP system-wide renumbering the remaining cars were renumbered into SP 111171-111534. The ORER indicates 182 of these cars  in 10-1960. There

It is possible that #108 came to the  SLG&W any time from the 1939 on. There are increases in the ORER box car count in 1939 (0 to 2), 1956 (1 to 2), between 1956 and 1958 (2 to 3) that may be clues. The earliest dated photos of #108 are 1960.

O'Boyle, P. 1994 SP B-50-14 rebuilds Mainline Modeler, Vol. 15, No. 12: 46-47
Lofton, M. 1994 Southern Pacific B-50-13/14 Boxcars Mainline Modeler, Vol. 15, No. 11: 39-47
Thompson, A. W. 2006 Southern Pacific Freight Cars, Volume 4.  

Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL
As usual the Professor cannot stick to just telling the time, first he must instruct on building the clock

On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at 2:17 PM Paul Doggett via Groups.Io <paul.doggett2472=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
Definitely looks like an SP B50-14 
Paul Doggett. England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 

Re: Photos: Salt Lake, Garfield & Western Railway Boxcar 108

Eric Lombard
 

I, too, agree: SP System B-50-14 or B-50-14A. The former were built 1924 by SSC. Starting about 1932 most were rebuilt to Dreadnaught square corner 4-5 ends. Those that also got new bolsters and draft gear were classed B-50-14A. The ends did NOT have a reverse stamping in the upper panel, just the usual. Other photos of both the A and B ends of SLG&W 108 and SP System cars show that is so when the lighting is better. Many small details of rivet patterns confirm the rebuilt B-50-14 / -14A origin for #108. The cars were built with three kinds of roofs: early Viking, Hutchins Dry Lading, and Murphy Radial. Photos of #108 remove series with Murphy Radial from consideration. I'm not confident guessing between Viking or Hutchins based of the photos available to me. The outboard "bolt" on the seam caps seems rather more prominent than on a Hutchins Dry Lading perhaps indicating Viking? The 1956+ SP system-wide renumbering the remaining cars were renumbered into SP 111171-111534. The ORER indicates 182 of these cars  in 10-1960. There

It is possible that #108 came to the  SLG&W any time from the 1939 on. There are increases in the ORER box car count in 1939 (0 to 2), 1956 (1 to 2), between 1956 and 1958 (2 to 3) that may be clues. The earliest dated photos of #108 are 1960.

O'Boyle, P. 1994 SP B-50-14 rebuilds Mainline Modeler, Vol. 15, No. 12: 46-47
Lofton, M. 1994 Southern Pacific B-50-13/14 Boxcars Mainline Modeler, Vol. 15, No. 11: 39-47
Thompson, A. W. 2006 Southern Pacific Freight Cars, Volume 4.  

Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL
As usual the Professor cannot stick to just telling the time, first he must instruct on building the clock

On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at 2:17 PM Paul Doggett via Groups.Io <paul.doggett2472=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
Definitely looks like an SP B50-14 
Paul Doggett. England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 

Re: Looking to contact Ed Kaminski

al.kresse
 

Looking to contact Ed Kaminski to get permission to use a Magor Erie caboose photo in a Pere Marquette 8-wheel Wooden Cabooses article. It was a sister Advisory Mech Comm spec'd caboose to the PM A800-series cabooses blt in 1930.

Thanks,

Al Kresse

 

Re: Photos: Salt Lake, Garfield & Western Railway Boxcar 108

mel perry
 

i'm looking at.the pic, and i'm not seeing
what you are, the upper panel, is an
"outie", look at the corners, where the
short indents are, they are on the same
plane as the main ribs
mel perry

On Fri, Dec 6, 2019, 10:05 AM Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:
Bob and Friends,

No idea who built SLG&W 108, but the car is rather unusual. The upper end panel is a reverse/indented/innie/whatever stamping, while the lower panel is a typical Dreadnaught "outie". I've never seen a mix like this before, but it might give us an idea of from where the car came. There can't have been too many cars built or rebuilt like this.

The car is obviously not in interchange service, since dimensional lettering is lacking on the right end of the car side.  My October 1958 ORER says the SLG&W owned three boxcars, two tank cars, one flat car, and seven passenger cars, with the added note, "Freight cars owned are not employed in commercial service."

Here's the Wikipedia article on the SLG&W: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_Lake,_Garfield_and_Western_Railway . Interesting that boxcar 100 had been used to haul hides, and survives on the Heber Valley Railroad (the Heber Valley RR web site does not list any freight cars). Perhaps that was how the other boxcars were used as well, but that's "commerical service", even if restricted.

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at 11:40 AM Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photos: Salt Lake, Garfield & Western Railway Boxcar 108

Three photos of the same boxcar from the Lakes States Archives:

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-fgKGH6F/A

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-5bXDpNN/A

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-DHcTBSC/A

Does anyone know who the car builder was?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Photos: Salt Lake, Garfield & Western Railway Boxcar 108

Paul Doggett
 

Definitely looks like an SP B50-14 
Paul Doggett. England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 

WESTERFIELD MODELS Newsletter, Vol 8, No 5, December, 2019

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Re: Photos: Salt Lake, Garfield & Western Railway Boxcar 108

Bill Welch
 

Brian is correct I think.

Bill Welch

Re: Photos: Salt Lake, Garfield & Western Railway Boxcar 108

brianleppert@att.net
 

Looks like a SP B-50-13 or 14.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV

Re: Photos: Salt Lake, Garfield & Western Railway Boxcar 108

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Bob and Friends,

No idea who built SLG&W 108, but the car is rather unusual. The upper end panel is a reverse/indented/innie/whatever stamping, while the lower panel is a typical Dreadnaught "outie". I've never seen a mix like this before, but it might give us an idea of from where the car came. There can't have been too many cars built or rebuilt like this.

The car is obviously not in interchange service, since dimensional lettering is lacking on the right end of the car side.  My October 1958 ORER says the SLG&W owned three boxcars, two tank cars, one flat car, and seven passenger cars, with the added note, "Freight cars owned are not employed in commercial service."

Here's the Wikipedia article on the SLG&W: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_Lake,_Garfield_and_Western_Railway . Interesting that boxcar 100 had been used to haul hides, and survives on the Heber Valley Railroad (the Heber Valley RR web site does not list any freight cars). Perhaps that was how the other boxcars were used as well, but that's "commerical service", even if restricted.

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at 11:40 AM Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photos: Salt Lake, Garfield & Western Railway Boxcar 108

Three photos of the same boxcar from the Lakes States Archives:

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-fgKGH6F/A

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-5bXDpNN/A

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-DHcTBSC/A

Does anyone know who the car builder was?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Photo: Fruit Growers Express 19153

mopacfirst
 

And likewise the body-mounted brake hangers?

Ron Merrick

Re: Photo: Fruit Growers Express 19153

Bill Welch
 

Reporting marks on the end would have been FGE as the company was exempt from the private owner requirement for "X" being a part of the reporting marks as were MDT, ART, PFE, and SRRD. The new Fruit Growers was established after that requirement hence FGEX. FGEX reporting marks would have appeared after May 1920 when the new company began operations. Don't know about the "Cranstone list" but if it says July 1923 it is wrong. Perhaps it was meant to refer to WFEX which would be July 1923. The car in the photo if it was still in service in 1920 would have gone to the new Fruit Growers and ASAP would had been shopped to have its wood Draft Gear replaced.

Bill Welch

Photos: Salt Lake, Garfield & Western Railway Boxcar 108

Bob Chaparro
 

Photos: Salt Lake, Garfield & Western Railway Boxcar 108

Three photos of the same boxcar from the Lakes States Archives:

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-fgKGH6F/A

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-5bXDpNN/A

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-DHcTBSC/A

Does anyone know who the car builder was?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Photo: Fruit Growers Express 19153

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Fruit Growers Express 19153

This is link to a 1916 photo from the collection of the University of Utah:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s64f22xx

I see there is a car number but no reporting marks for the owner. At the time Armour owned this car so the reporting marks may not have been FGEX. Cranstone's list indicates FGEX reporting marks began in July1923.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Missing Photo Collection

Bill Welch
 

On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 10:13 AM, Pete Steinmetz wrote:
Interesting collection.  Watermarked because they are trying to sell the photos. $6.00-$10.00 is a little steep but more power to them.  I did get some ideas for modeling a few freight cars.
 
Pete Steinmetz
Could not disagree more. Establishing an archive and keeping it going cost money. This organization is more than just their website. The prices are certainly inline with Bob's Photos and Mainline Photos.

Bill Welch

Re: Keeley Hooks One more time

Bill Welch
 

On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 05:27 PM, Curt Fortenberry wrote:
Not to overthink this but couldn’t you use the Details Associates 2206 eye bolts (lift rings) and just clip out a section?
 
Curt Fortenberry 
 I thought about it but

A. I think mine are smaller both in wire size and size of the loop and hence hook is smaller and more in scale
B. I don't have any of the DA 2206 parts and many/most/all of DA item are hard to find/out of production

Bill Welch

Re: Made a start

Paul Doggett
 

Don 

Cheers 

Paul Doggett 


On 6 Dec 2019, at 00:30, Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io <riverman_vt@...> wrote:


   Love those W.P. roofwalk brackets, Paul. They look like an item for Peirre to have etched
and added to his line of such things.

Good luck with your conversion, Don Valentine

Re: Photo: Western Maryland Boxcar

Eric Hansmann
 

Nice! Early shots of these WM cars are rare!

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Dec 5, 2019, at 7:28 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Photo: Western Maryland Boxcar

This is link to a 1926 publicity photo from the collection of the University of Utah:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s6b58twz

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Photo: Western Maryland Boxcar

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Western Maryland Boxcar

This is link to a 1926 publicity photo from the collection of the University of Utah:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s6b58twz

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Made a start

Donald B. Valentine
 

   Love those W.P. roofwalk brackets, Paul. They look like an item for Peirre to have etched
and added to his line of such things.

Good luck with your conversion, Don Valentine