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Re: Photo: Stenciling Freshly Painted NKP Box Car 27676

Lee
 

the straight arms have a chain and what looks like a hoist, so with that and the missing coupler I would say that's how they are changing out the coupler without having to lift by hand.

Lee Stoermer
Aldie, VA


On Sunday, May 10, 2020, 07:24:00 PM EDT, Richard Brennan <rbrennan@...> wrote:


At 03:59 PM 5/10/2020, Bob Chaparro via groups.io wrote:
><snip>
>http://cdm16066.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p16066coll27/id/8731/rec/47

Is that a shop-built tool for taking the 'bulge' from freight damage
out of the stamped steel ends?
I didn't even think that was possible!


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Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
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Re: Athearn boxcar

Rob & Bev Manley
 

I am finishing up on a PS-1 build. The kit is by Intermountain. I think that is the finest PS-1 I have ever built. My only beef is that the right side ladder/stirrup piece is weak whete the stirrup meets the ladder. I replaced it with an A-Line part. It's missing the second rung, I know, but it's a VGN car . Not one of the primary roads for me. If Pierre has an etching to replace that, I'll fix it later.

Rob Manley
"Better modeling through personal embarrassment"


On Sunday, May 10, 2020, 10:05:08 PM CDT, Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...> wrote:


On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 07:23 PM, Benjamin Hom wrote:
Now I remember - Con-Cor and Walthers were both offering revised AHM tooling at the time.
 
There were two, count 'em, two AHM PS-1's. Roco did the first. At some point Bernie Paul of AHM didn't like the price Roco quoted on an additional run, so he sent one of the Roco models to someone else, I think Lilliput, and had it duplicated. After AHM's bankruptcy both models continued to be sold in the US, by Walthers, Con-Cor, and others.

Dennis Storzek
 

Re: Athearn boxcar

Dennis Storzek
 

On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 07:23 PM, Benjamin Hom wrote:
Now I remember - Con-Cor and Walthers were both offering revised AHM tooling at the time.
 
There were two, count 'em, two AHM PS-1's. Roco did the first. At some point Bernie Paul of AHM didn't like the price Roco quoted on an additional run, so he sent one of the Roco models to someone else, I think Lilliput, and had it duplicated. After AHM's bankruptcy both models continued to be sold in the US, by Walthers, Con-Cor, and others.

Dennis Storzek
 

Re: Athearn boxcar

Benjamin Hom
 

Steve Johnson wrote:
"No, I have some of the Walthers kits, in the white and blue boxes, from the early 1990s. I recall the Walthers catalogs and model magazines at the time featured color ads of those kits, and also the re-tooled AHM 40 ft gondolas."

Right!   Now I remember - Con-Cor and Walthers were both offering revised AHM tooling at the time.


Ben Hom

Re: Athearn boxcar

Steven D Johnson
 

No, I have some of the Walthers kits, in the white and blue boxes, from the early 1990s. I recall the Walthers catalogs and model magazines at the time featured color ads of those kits, and also the re-tooled AHM 40 ft gondolas.

Steve Johnson

On May 10, 2020 at 9:08 PM Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:

Steve Johnson wrote:
"Walthers produced a re-tooled AHM PS-1 model, the later version with the molded-on ladders.  The original AHM/Roco model had separate ladders.   The Walthers car had a new underframe with coupler boxes, and a choice of door styles as I recall. The AHM car came with P-S diamond pattern doors."

You're conflating two different models.  The upgraded AHM PS-1 model was offered by Con-Cor; Walthers is currently offering a PS-1 under their Walthers Mainline brand, but that model uses new tooling.


Ben Hom

 

Re: Athearn boxcar

Benjamin Hom
 

Steve Johnson wrote:
"Walthers produced a re-tooled AHM PS-1 model, the later version with the molded-on ladders.  The original AHM/Roco model had separate ladders.   The Walthers car had a new underframe with coupler boxes, and a choice of door styles as I recall. The AHM car came with P-S diamond pattern doors."

You're conflating two different models.  The upgraded AHM PS-1 model was offered by Con-Cor; Walthers is currently offering a PS-1 under their Walthers Mainline brand, but that model uses new tooling.


Ben Hom

Re: Athearn boxcar

Steven D Johnson
 

Walthers produced a re-tooled AHM PS-1 model, the later version with the molded-on ladders.  The original AHM/Roco model had separate ladders.   The Walthers car had a new underframe with coupler boxes, and a choice of door styles as I recall. The AHM car came with P-S diamond pattern doors.

AHM also produced a plug door version, originally with separate ladders and later with molded-on ladders.  I believe Con Cor eventually ended up with this model, as well as the sliding door car. 

Seems that the plug door shell with the separate ladders would be a decent starting point to model the relatively few prototypes...Chicago Great Western, I think, and a few others...I do have a photo of an Illinois Central one too.

Steve Johnson

On May 10, 2020 at 8:10 PM "Donald B. Valentine tvia groups.io" <riverman_vt@...> wrote:

 
Re: Athearrn boxcar
From: Richard Townsend
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 16:33:13 PDT

 

Athearn did not. Kurtz Kraft, AHM, McKean, and InterMountain did or does.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
                Trix can be added to that list also and it seems to me there is another I can't recall.

                Don Valentine

 

Re: -- C&BT Upgrade

Tony Thompson
 

Andy Carlson wrote:

So Tony, blog away your AHM, Tyco and Bachmann toy train stuff, cause we don't want the perfect to be the enemy of good.

     Nice remark, Andy. Can't remember if I ever owned (or kept, if owned) any of those brands, but hey, fun is fun. My only comment of substance, Andy, is that it took really close-up photos to show the "defects" you described. I am reminded of my old friend in Pittsburgh, Byron Rose, for whom all defects, no matter how tiny, are equally serious.

Tony Thompson



Re: -- C&BT Upgrade

Benjamin Hom
 

Andy Carlson wrote:
"So Tony, blog away your AHM, Tyco and Bachmann toy train stuff, cause we don't want the perfect to be the enemy of good."

Greg Martin and Stan Rydarowicz would have disagreed.


Ben Hom

-- C&BT Upgrade

Andy Carlson
 

We all know of this often quoted phrase, which has almost become trite. What does it mean in this instance? That the CB&T car is "pretty good"? STMFC has been described as a forum dedicated to building better models of freight cars. Doing quality work on a flawed model encourages mediocrity.  No where do I wish to imply that I am an elete modeler, I just feel that some things need to join the Athearn BB box cars, and CB&T is one of those products.

I have suggested two methods of building a better 12-panel box car. Maybe we should just abandon this site and all move over to the Model Railroad Hobbyist, a free online site which its forum is reflective of the mediocrity from the mag itself. (The mag does have a few jewels from time-to-time, I admit, but how much crap is required to wade through for those rare jewels?)

So Tony, blog away your AHM, Tyco and Bachmann toy train stuff, cause we don't want the perfect to be the enemy of good.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


On Sunday, May 10, 2020, 4:37:05 PM PDT, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:


Andy Carlson wrote:

A real risk of offending folks on this subject, but I heavily disagree on the acceptance of the CB&T Shops car body. I think the Bad reputation is deserved.

     I try not to let the perfect be the enemy of the pretty good.

Tony Thompson



Re: Athearrn boxcar

Donald B. Valentine
 

 
Re: Athearrn boxcar
From: Richard Townsend
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 16:33:13 PDT

Athearn did not. Kurtz Kraft, AHM, McKean, and InterMountain did or does.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
                Trix can be added to that list also and it seems to me there is another I can't recall.

                Don Valentine

Re: Photo: Stenciling Freshly Painted NKP Box Car 27676

Benjamin Hom
 

Claus Schlund asked:
"Can anyone ID the road name on the gondola, I want to say N&W, but it is difficult to say really. The full resolution image can be seen at...
http://cdm16066.contentdm.oclc.org/utils/ajaxhelper/?CISOROOT=coal&CISOPTR=6&action=2&DMSCALE=100&DMWIDTH=9512&DMHEIGHT=9512&DMX=0&DMY=0&DMTEXT=railroad&DMROTATE=0 

Some additional image info can be found at ...
http://cdm16066.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/coal/id/6/rec/83 


N&W Class GG gon.  Photo from the Virginia Tech Norfolk Southern collection:


Ben Hom



 






Re: Winsor & Newton Galeria Matt Varnish.

Bruce Griffin
 

Lee,

Thank you for th tip,on the thinner  

Best Regards,
Bruce
Ashland, MD
https://bomodeling.com/blog/

 

Re: Athearrn boxcar

Tony Thompson
 

Ben Hom wrote:

Assuming you're asking about HO scale, in roughly chronological order:
Kurtz-Kraft (Cannonball Car Shops)
Roco (AHM, Model Power, Con-Cor)
McKean
Accurail
MTH
Shouldn't InterMountain be on this list?

Tony Thompson
tony@...

Re: Athearrn boxcar

Benjamin Hom
 

[Corrected copy]

Larry Smith asked:
"Did Athearn ever make a PS-1?"

Lots of paint schemes that belonged on PS-1s, but no PS-1 model.


"Besides Kadee, who else has made them in plastic?"

Assuming you're asking about HO scale, in roughly chronological order:
Kurtz-Kraft (Cannonball Car Shops)
Roco (AHM, Model Power, Con-Cor)
McKean
Accurail
Intermountain
MTH


Ben Hom

Re: Athearrn boxcar

Benjamin Hom
 

Larry Smith asked:
"Did Athearn ever make a PS-1?"

Lots of paint schemes that belonged on PS-1s, but no PS-1 model.


"Besides Kadee, who else has made them in plastic?"

Assuming you're asking about HO scale, in roughly chronological order:
Kurtz-Kraft (Cannonball Car Shops)
Roco (AHM, Model Power, Con-Cor)
McKean
Accurail
MTH


Ben Hom

Re: Photo: Stenciling Freshly Painted NKP Box Car 27676

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi Bob and List Members,
 
Thanks Bob for the interesting images and the links.
 
There are some other views on this site as well, one is at the link below. Can anyone ID the road name on the gondola, I want to say N&W, but it is difficult to say really. The full resolution image can be seen at...
 
 
Some additional image info can be found at ...
 
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

From: Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 6:59 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Stenciling Freshly Painted NKP Box Car 27676
 

Re: Paint Question On FW&D Boxcars

Rupert Gamlen
 

Historically speaking and being parsimonious -

It has been the custom for all time to paint the trucks black.  This necessitated the changing of pots and brushes when the painting of the body was finished and work commenced on the trucks.  The company [i.e. CB&Q] is commencing now to paint the trucks the same color as the body of the car.  This appears to be a small matter, but in the course of a year the time saved in changing, and the cost of extra pots, brushes, etc. dispensed with, amounts to a very considerable little sum.

Railway Review 1887

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Townsend via groups.io
Sent: Monday, 11 May 2020 11:41 am
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Paint Question On FW&D Boxcars

 

Reading between the lines of the Burlington Route Historical Society's Burlington Bulletin No. 7, on the Burlington's XM-32 boxcars (including the FW&D and C&S cars) and which describes one-stop painting, and which does not mention any change in colors while painting, I would hazard a guess that it was all the same color.

Richard Townsend

Lincoln City, OR

 

-----Original Message-----
From: WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Sun, May 10, 2020 12:03 pm
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Paint Question On FW&D Boxcars

 

 

In my isolation I am completing work on  Fort Worth and Denver (CB&Q) boxcar in the 8300 series.  My question is weee the trucks and under-rated the same color as the car or were they black?

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

 

Thanks in advance for any help.

 

Bill Pardie

SHPX number artwork

Eric Mumper
 

Group,

I have been working on renumbering some Intermountain 1958 cuft covered hoppers.  These are the grey SHPX leased to CB&Q cars with stock number 48605.  I was able to scan the car sides and redraw the numbers in Corel Draw to use as decal artwork for personal uses only.  The file has the 0-9 numbers in both the car side and car end sizes matched to the existing lettering.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1NED8g7ujSiIQj0W1uq2-Cb6JyhP5gYdU

Eric Mumper

Re: Paint Question On FW&D Boxcars

Nelson Moyer
 

The Q painted all boxcars a mineral red color on all surfaces including trucks through 1958. I don’t model beyond that date, so I won’t comment on the Chinese Red era. I like Tru Color CB&Q Freight Car Red, but if you use it be sure to prime with Tamiya Fine Light Gray.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of WILLIAM PARDIE
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 2:04 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Paint Question On FW&D Boxcars

 

 

 

In my isolation I am completing work on  Fort Worth and Denver (CB&Q) boxcar in the 8300 series.  My question is weee the trucks and under-rated the same color as the car or were they black?

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

 

Thanks in advance for any help.

 

Bill Pardie