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Re: B&O P-25D in HO

Eric Hansmann
 

I like the subtle change in shade on the repainted areas for the weight and repack stencils. Very nice!

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim King
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 11:16 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] B&O P-25D in HO

 

I don’t understand your comment re: a “shadow” around the decal edges.  Nothing shows up on my images and except in 1 spot where a little white from an adjoining decal was included when I cut from a sheet.  The posted image, being low rez, might be slightly distorted.  I’ve attached a close up of lettering but also low rez just to be emailable.  I don’t seen any “shadow” around lettering that you asked about.  Maybe I’m missing something?

 

The car was painted Floquil Grimy black with 10% gloss added and the thin-film decals nestled in quickly with diluted Solvaset, then full-strength Solvaset on the 2nd application.  The car was oversprayed with Rustoleum Frosted Clear, when weathering applied in multiple layers on top of that.  No clear coat was applied after dusting simply because the coating obliterates the powders.

 

These cars were used to haul plasterboard (“sheet rock”) and the loads were wrapped in Gold Bond orange and white sheets.  I’m planning to create this load and present it to the B&O Modeler staff as a follow up article.

 

Jim King

http://smokymountainmodelworks.com/

 

Re: B&O P-25D in HO

Jim King
 

I don’t understand your comment re: a “shadow” around the decal edges.  Nothing shows up on my images and except in 1 spot where a little white from an adjoining decal was included when I cut from a sheet.  The posted image, being low rez, might be slightly distorted.  I’ve attached a close up of lettering but also low rez just to be emailable.  I don’t seen any “shadow” around lettering that you asked about.  Maybe I’m missing something?

 

The car was painted Floquil Grimy black with 10% gloss added and the thin-film decals nestled in quickly with diluted Solvaset, then full-strength Solvaset on the 2nd application.  The car was oversprayed with Rustoleum Frosted Clear, when weathering applied in multiple layers on top of that.  No clear coat was applied after dusting simply because the coating obliterates the powders.

 

These cars were used to haul plasterboard (“sheet rock”) and the loads were wrapped in Gold Bond orange and white sheets.  I’m planning to create this load and present it to the B&O Modeler staff as a follow up article.

 

Jim King

http://smokymountainmodelworks.com/

 

Clean Lading Only - Definition?

Bob Chaparro
 

Is there an official definition for the term, "Clean Lading Only"?
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA

Re: early CBQ cars

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Thanks Rupert for your excellent insights!!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

From: Rupert Gamlen
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 10:22 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] early CBQ cars
 

Claus

Thanks for this link but I think it may be too old for some members.

Box car 26519 was built by Wells & French in 1891 (26503-26753), while 26259 behind it (if that is the correct number) was built the same year by Missouri Car & Foundry (26003-26502). Both were 34’ cars, and I think the light panel at the top of the side doors announces that they were equipped with air brakes. Both cars would be placed in class XM-3 when the company introduced classes in 1910-11.

The Burlington Route herald on the side of 26259 has the initials “CB&QRR” underneath, a practice which disappeared about the end of the century. Other companies within the Burlington group used the same herald but with their own initials.

The car to the left beyond the gondola (listed as a “coal car” up to 1905) is a Chicago & Iowa box car probably built in about 1880, with an inside length of 27’ 5
½”. The company was leased to the Burlington on 1 January 1892 but the equipment was no longer listed in ORER’s by March 1894, which may help date the photo. The cars were renumbered variously as CB&Q 9564-9958 and the last one of this group survived until 1912.

If anyone can more accurately date the end use of company initials under the Burlington Route herald, I would be grateful to hear from them.

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Friday, 24 April 2020 11:19 am
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] early CBQ cars

 

Today's Test

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Please ignore testing Earthlink - Groups linkage
 
Steve Hile

Re: Photo: WP Boxcar 20807

Bob Webber
 

The fun part is - there were 7 variations of WP paint & lettering rendered for these.   And...the paint & lettering designs were done by the Passenger Car department, not freight (as "normal" efforts were.  

This is likely because most freight cars were rendered by the railroad - they didn't give the manufacturer an option in the design. 

In this case, there is
  • "Western Pacific Worthy Progressive" (with the W & P used once in a stacked slogan)- style B
  • "Floats Like a Feather" (feather on right side) - Style A
  • "Worthy Progressive" on the left and a LARGE WP herald on the right - Style E
  • A stripe & feather - with only reporting marks - no other wording - Style D
  • A stripe, no feather, just reporting marks - Style F
  • "Floats Like a Feather - with a LARGE feather over both left & Right sides - Style C - Closest to the photo (note slogan difference)
  • "Floats Like A Feather" - with a LARGE feather, and "Western Pacific in said feather - Style G (reporting marks on the right)

All rendered by the Engineering Department; Color & Design Division; Passenger Car Division; Pullman-Standard Car Manufacturing Co.

Unfortunately - the images were b/w photos of what are likely color drawings - there is no way to really tell which is freight car red, orange, aluminum, aluminum with orange stripe, etc. 

One of these days, I'll have to look for the drawings C&D 7-3411-51

And..yes, Tony - a lot - almost as many as Overnight SP cars, Big Boys, Fs, B&O docksiders, AT&SF boxcars & cabooses, etc. 


At 08:08 AM 4/24/2020, Fred Jansz wrote:
Didn't know this was an experimental car.
As far as I know WP 20801-20820 was a regular 1951 PS-1 order with an experimental WP paint scheme.
Fred Jansz

Bob Webber

Re: Photo: WP Boxcar 20807

Tim O'Connor
 

You're correct, Fred - standard PS-1 underframe. Chrysler trucks.

Microscale makes decals. Get out the airbrush ! :-)

Ross Dando makes the shock absorber part in resin for the Chrysler trucks.

On 4/24/2020 9:08 AM, Fred Jansz wrote:
Didn't know this was an experimental car.
As far as I know WP 20801-20820 was a regular 1951 PS-1 order with an experimental WP paint scheme.
Fred Jansz
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*

Re: Weight Of An Industrial Boiler?

Charles Peck
 

What we do not know, and do not NEED to know is the operating purpose of 
these boilers.  If they are building heating boilers, they likely operate at 
15 to 30 PSI.  If they are power boilers, they possibly operate at 100 to 
200 PSI.  There would be a major difference in the thickness of materials 
used and thus difference in weight.  
You may well decide that yours are heating boilers and are a fairly light load.
Chuck Peck

On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 7:14 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Weight Of An Industrial Boiler?

I have an HO scale Birchfield industrial fire tube boiler to use as a flat car or gondola load. It is a 3D printed model:

https://multiscale.digital/collections/ho-1-87/products/ho-scale-birchfield-industrial-fire-tube-boiler-flatcar-load

This is a very large boiler. It scales out at roughly 18 feet long, 13 feet high and 8 feet wide.

This photo shows as many as two of these large boilers and two smaller ones on a fifty-ton flat car:

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/15644/rec/1807

Out of curiosity, what would one of these larger boilers weight?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Photo: WP Boxcar 20807

Brian Carlson
 

Shoot. That’s what I get for posting before I’m fully awake. Fred you’re right these just had compartmentizers. I got them confused with the 1954 cars with the cushion under frame. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Apr 24, 2020, at 9:08 AM, Fred Jansz <fred@...> wrote:

Didn't know this was an experimental car.
As far as I know WP 20801-20820 was a regular 1951 PS-1 order with an experimental WP paint scheme.
Fred Jansz

Re: For Sale Sunshine Models Vinegar Tankcar Kit

Dennis Storzek
 

The vinegar car has been sold.

Dennis Storzek

Re: former VGN cars?

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello Dan,
 
don't know if it was there (but I believe), but I remember the story of using some of these cars for scrap iron movements. Someone said that the cars in that service were WAY overloaded - wich is easy to believe comparing the densitiy of scrap steel and that of coal, for which they originally were designed. Such a car FULLY loaded with scrap steel probabaly weighed in excess of 200 tons, and it has been stated that occasionally a car just broke in half at the short way from scrap loading to plant...
 
Johannes, sad that none of these cars has been preserved
 
Gesendet: Freitag, 24. April 2020 um 15:26 Uhr
Von: "Daniel A. Mitchell" <danmitch@...>
An: "main@realstmfc.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] former VGN cars?
A few of the big ex VGN “Battleship” gons ended up at Northwestern Steel & Wire in Rockford, IL. They were there in the early 1980’s at least, still showing some VGN lettering, being used for scrap iron movements within the plant, and terribly beat-up. They were being moved about by a bunch of ex GTW 0-8-0 and 2-8-2 steam locos, also in terrible shape.
 
Dan Mitchell
==========
 

On Apr 23, 2020, at 7:08 PM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:
 
Hi List Members,
 
Are the six axle gons former VGN cars? If so, they are far from home.
 
 
More information can be found at the link below...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund

Re: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] Resin Car Works update

O Fenton Wells
 

Always enjoy your blogs, thanks for sharing 
Fenton 


On Apr 24, 2020, at 7:26 AM, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:


Bill Welch's PDF on Archer surface detail decals can be accessed via the RCW blog Helpful Links page. The latest blog post covers the info, plus an update on the Sunshine Models kit archive website progress.

Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy

Re: former VGN cars?

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

A few of the big ex VGN “Battleship” gons ended up at Northwestern Steel & Wire in Rockford, IL. They were there in the early 1980’s at least, still showing some VGN lettering, being used for scrap iron movements within the plant, and terribly beat-up. They were being moved about by a bunch of ex GTW 0-8-0 and 2-8-2 steam locos, also in terrible shape.

Dan Mitchell
==========

On Apr 23, 2020, at 7:08 PM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:

Hi List Members,
 
Are the six axle gons former VGN cars? If so, they are far from home.
 
 
More information can be found at the link below...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund

Re: boxcars can be lined up on two tracks

Richard McQuade
 

What a great shot! Thanks, James. It is interesting to see how the cars are spread out. Looks like not all might be 40' cars. The shed where I worked was built after WW2 so all of our cars were coupled together in a continuous string and were over 99% CPR cars - all 40' steel cars.
The other interesting item about this is the roofing material used on the freight shed. This is the second shot I've seen of a large shed with tarpaper roofing. Photos in the Vancouver BC public library collection show the same material being used on the main CPR Vancouver freight shed in 1915.
Richard

Re: Photo: WP Boxcar 20807

Fred Jansz
 

Didn't know this was an experimental car.
As far as I know WP 20801-20820 was a regular 1951 PS-1 order with an experimental WP paint scheme.
Fred Jansz

For Sale Sunshine Models Vinegar Tankcar Kit

Dennis Storzek
 

The title says it all. I have one Sunshine Models Kit No. 60.2 Standard Brands Vinegar Tankcar with Red Decals, unbuilt, new in box for sale. I'd like $45 plus shipping and take Paypal. PLEASE REPLY OFF LIST to destorzek@.... First e-mail I receive gets it.

Dennis Storzek

Re: Photo: WP Boxcar 20807

Brian Carlson
 

Kadee has stated several times are not doing those cars and the other cars with the experimental features because they’d have to tool a new underframe. Maybe in time they will change their mind.

Brian J. Carlson 

On Apr 24, 2020, at 3:56 AM, Fred Jansz <fred@...> wrote:

Yes, and not one of them is 100% prototipical...
Asked Kadee several times , but was ignored as usual.
Fred Jansz

Re: P2k "Time Saver" kits

Dennis Storzek
 

Thanks to all that replied, both on and off list. It looks like the partial assembly fell short of moving these kits into the "easy build" category, so I think I'll stick with describing them as "partially assembled" and leave it at that.

Dennis Storzek

Resin Car Works update

Eric Hansmann
 

Bill Welch's PDF on Archer surface detail decals can be accessed via the RCW blog Helpful Links page. The latest blog post covers the info, plus an update on the Sunshine Models kit archive website progress.

Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy

Re: Weight Of An Industrial Boiler?

vapeurchapelon
 

Bob,
 
having built and repaired lots of (steam locomotive) boilers a long time ago, I wouldn't say these boilers are very large. Even by allowing a certain surcharge to the wall thickness (don't know the operating pressure) I would estimate around 15 tons for the larger type, 20 tons at the most, and less than half of that for the smaller type.
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
Gesendet: Freitag, 24. April 2020 um 05:06 Uhr
Von: "Bob Chaparro via groups.io" <chiefbobbb@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] Weight Of An Industrial Boiler?
You are correct and thanks for catching that. A second set of eyes always helps.

The dimensions I listed are calculated from the Multi Scale website so the boilers in the photo, which are on their website, are smaller that the scale of the model.

Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA