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Re: Westerfield NB box car

Mont Switzer
 

Clark and all,

 

Agreed.  Cement just didn’t get shipped long distances so the cars that hauled it tended to stay close.  Due to lots of cement dust it also became pretty obvious what service they were in.

 

As ready-mix plants popped up all over the country after WWII at least one cement maker shipped it in bulk (covered hoppers) to a central point where it was unloaded into silos and then into trucks for delivery to final destination as needed.  Mitchell, Indiana, and Anderson, IN are about 120 miles apart.

 

Some ready-mix concrete plants were large enough to be served directly by rail, but most small plants got it by truck.  This was very seasonal commodity, also.

 

Pneumatic trailers (“air cans”) made final delivery of cement delivery by truck practical.  Those trailers looked like the covered hoppers hauling cement.

 

Montford L. Switzer

President

Switzer Tank Lines, Inc.

Fall Creek Leasing, LLC.

mswitzer@...

(765) 836-2914

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Clark Propst
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 11:08 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Westerfield NB box car

 

With two cement plants within 30 miles and two more twice that distance, a lumber yard on the branch would have to get a great deal on that product  ;  ))
CW Propst

On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 11:54 AM, Gary Roe wrote:

If you saw a Hannibal Connecting car on your branch line, it would most likely be loaded with bagged cement.

 

gary roe

quincy, illinois

Re: Photo: Freight Yard At The West Bottoms

Mont Switzer
 

The MM cover shot was taken at CNW, Proviso, IL, I believe.  There were a couple of Monon wood boxcars in the shot.  This is all SLSF and a wonderful photo just the same.

 

Mont

 

Montford L. Switzer

President

Switzer Tank Lines, Inc.

Fall Creek Leasing, LLC.

mswitzer@...

(765) 836-2914

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 1:19 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Freight Yard At The West Bottoms

 

Photo: Freight Yard At The West Bottoms

A 1932 photo from the Kansas City Public Library:

https://pendergastkc.org/collection/9130/20003568/west-bottoms-kersey-coates-drive/30274

Caption: "An autochrome photograph of the West Bottoms and Kansas City Stock Yards as seen looking west from Kersey Coates Drive at its intersection with Beardsley Road, just north of 17th Street. This vantage point shows the St. Louis & San Francisco Railroad in the foreground and the Kansas City Live Stock Exchange Building in the left background."

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Westerfield NB box car

Barry Bennett
 

If you have access to the Vancouver Archive photos you will note that both the NB and the HC reached that city, so not so unlikely to appear in Propst country as presumed.

Barry Bennett, UK.

On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 at 03:14, Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:
Rob and Todd, the kit came with several doors including a corrugated one. I have some Speedwitch NYC decal leftovers I think I can patch something together. I have RP Cyc 21 out. I'll built it as an NYC car tomorrow. Thanks all!
CW Propst

Re: Norfolk and Western H2a split side triples

Jeff Coleman
 

The first 4000, 15500-19499 were built in 1949.

Jeff Coleman

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 12:00 AM Brad Andonian via Groups.Io <cereshill=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
N&W split side h2a

I have found conflicting dates on the actual build dates of these cars.    Yoder has 52/53 but I think that was the rebuild date...  Can anyone please pass me the correct dates?

Thanks,

Norfolk and Western H2a split side triples

Brad Andonian
 

N&W split side h2a

I have found conflicting dates on the actual build dates of these cars.    Yoder has 52/53 but I think that was the rebuild date...  Can anyone please pass me the correct dates?

Thanks,

Re: Westerfield NB box car

Clark Propst
 

Rob and Todd, the kit came with several doors including a corrugated one. I have some Speedwitch NYC decal leftovers I think I can patch something together. I have RP Cyc 21 out. I'll built it as an NYC car tomorrow. Thanks all!
CW Propst

Re: Westerfield NB box car

Clark Propst
 

With two cement plants within 30 miles and two more twice that distance, a lumber yard on the branch would have to get a great deal on that product  ;  ))
CW Propst


On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 11:54 AM, Gary Roe wrote:
If you saw a Hannibal Connecting car on your branch line, it would most likely be loaded with bagged cement.
 
gary roe
quincy, illinois

Re: Flattening resin parts

Jesus Pe�a
 

Eric,

I would like to share a different technique using heat and a vacuum along with a steel plate. 

Hopefully the pictures will tell the story 

Hope this helps 

Jesus Peña 
Concord, California 









On Friday, March 20, 2020, 8:51 AM, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

I recently had to flatten a few parts for a resin boxcar kit. I've posted an outline of the process on my blog.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

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Jesus Peña
Concord,California

Re: To quote Robert Duvall from "Apocalypse Now," . . .

Scott
 

Do you put the chain and rod from the hand brake on after you paint it so the chain doesn't get clogged up with paint?  How do you glue back there?

Scott McDonald 

Re: Bob's Photos

Bill Welch
 

Rich, two groups:

—3200–3449 41-foot GS gons
—17000–17149 low side gons as done by ERTL

Bill Welch

Re: Bob's Photos

Rich Gibson
 

Which MEC gons do you need photos of? I might be able to help you out.
Rich Gibson
Golden, CO

Tennessee Central Decals

Allan Smith
 

Some time ago I purchased a Resin HO kit that had Tennessee Central Decals with it. I have no use for those decals.
I deleted the messages about TC decals and can no longer recover them. Whom ever was asking if you would contact me off list, I would be willing to sell them.


Al Smith
Sonora CA

Smithal9@...

Re: Westerfield NB box car

Todd Sullivan
 

Clark,

I must have 5-6 of the Westerfield NYC kits in my stash.  If you want a 'corrugated' door, contact me off list at sullivant41 ATT yahoo DOT com.

Todd Sullivan

Re: PRR F34 flat

Dave Boss
 

Hello Bruce
                     Thank you so much for the photo of the brass car. Now we're getting some where. I was a bit confused at first about the placement of the brake equipment. I have never seen a car equipped with a duel brake arrangement. What I was really confused with was the arrangement of the brake lever assembly. From what I have found in my instructions F&C doesn't really explain their installation. The photo of the brass car you so graciously, provided however does clearly show the arrangement of the brake levers on the span bolsters. This really helps me with understanding their installation. Now I can move forward. A BIG thanks again. I would also like to thank all the rest of the group for their help as well.

Good Day to all
Dave

On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 12:13 PM Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
Dave,

Looking at the very same resources that you say are not helpful, here's what I have figured out...

1) Brake cylinder - one brake cylinder is mounted to each span bolster so that when looking at the car side-on, the cylinder shows on the left span bolster. If you look at the photo of 470202 from the Hagley, you can see it sticking out behind the left wheel of the right truck of the left bolster, pointed at the end of the car. Above that, you can see what looks an air tank of some sort? maybe?  I can't see any evidence of this in any other sources. Note that, as I said, the cylinder appears lower than Chuck's mount because its centerline is below that of the wheels and the bottom of the span bolster. That makes sense, since there was undoubtedly brake rigging under the span bolster, as you can see by the rodding under the bolster in the photo of 470202

2) Between the trucks on the right hand span bolster you can see the AB brake valve. That appears to be affixed to the body of the car. You can, in part tell that by looking at my TKM article about the decks. Looking at the deck pattern, you can see that, as you stand at the end of the car, the pattern of tie-down holes is interrupted on both the end deck panel and one panel in on the left side by bolts or rivets. The two bolts/rivets on the second panel in are, I presume, are the location of the mounts for the AB valve. 

3) The 4 bolts on the end deck panels are for the two air tanks, as shown in the F&C instructions, with the shorter tank outboard of the longer tank.

4) The retainer is on the side of the car at the right end.

5) Both sides are identical.

For more resources, here's an old brass Westside car posted by John Sethian
I have no idea what is going on with what looks like a K brake reservoir on the body... that should be an AB valve, but the rest of it seems to follow my surmises... including brake rigging under the span bolsters!

Regards,
Bruce 
Bruce Smith
Auburn, Al


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Dave Boss <daveboss1976@...>
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 11:59 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR F34 flat
 
Bruce
           Thank you for your response. I have referenced the TKM articles. Unfortunately they do not show any of the duel brake arrangements. F&C is very vague on their instructions. I referenced my 1940 car builder cyclopedia as well with no luck. I'm not going to super detail the underside as it is not visible. However some of the brake detail is visible in some photos, but not clear enough to see how they are arranged. I have no idea how to arrange the brake components parts onto the span bolsters? There are no indications on them to show as to were the parts mite go. F&C just states install them when you get to this point. You mentioned the PRRT&HS flat car book do you know if the book provides any kind of brake arrangement for the cars? If I knew the book listed them I would look for a copy as I don't currently own one. I believe the society has sold them out.

          On another note I did find out that the D&H version of this car that I posted a question on a while back is the same car as a NYC car. They showed up in my 1953 car builders cyclopedia. Both were built 1951.

Good Day
Dave

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 1:50 PM Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
Dave,

Some resources:
TKM 104 - http://www.prrths.com/newprr_files/newPRRKeystoneModeler.htm  this is an article by Chuck Cover kit bashing the Bachmann car, but it will show you gross brake locations. 

TKM 108 - My article on etched decks. Not much about brakes here, but if you look at the deck drawings, you can see the mounting bolts for what I believe is the AB valve.

The PRRT&HS flat car book - http://www.prrths.com/estore/index_books.html
Sadly, the shots in that book are mostly dark about the underbody.


Based on looking at the photos online (above) it looks like Chuck has his cylinder mounted too high on the bolster and he needs to add a reservoir to the bolster.

And, of course, you need a full set of brake hardware on each end.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Dave Boss <daveboss1976@...>
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 12:20 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] PRR F34 flat
 
Hello Guy's
                   I'm currently building a F&C PRR F34 flat car. The instructions are very vague about the placement of brake components. If anyone has any info on the placement of the brake parts I would deeply appreciate this as I'm at a stand still with this car. I know some of the parts are to be installed on the span bolsters but I'm not sure of their placement. Thank's

Good Day
Dave

Re: Westerfield NB box car

Rob M.
 

Clark,

To turn the car into the standard NYC car you’d need to replace the N&B’s 3-panel door with the reinforcement plate with the standard NYC three panel door or an appropriate NYC Youngstown replacement door.  The only other modifications N&B made to the standard NYC cars were a protective plate over the pipe bracket which would be as simple as finding a standard AB pipe bracket replacement.

The N&B had few online industries other than Atlas Cement so seeing the car out your way would be almost as rare as us seeing a Mason City and Clear Lake car in Northampton PA.   :-)  (Other than during WWII when N&B cars were free roaming)

Rob Mondichak 

Re: Westerfield NB box car

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Clark,

Both the HC and the N&B were chiefly cement carriers, so having their cars on your Iowa railroad would be like sending the proverbial "coals to Newcastle". I won't say it couldn't happen, but it would be a very rare event.

In my 1958 ORER, both lines have the same senior officers, and their business address was 1517 Frick Bldg., Pittsburg, PA. This perhaps accounts for having nearly identical boxcars.

Although it says nothing about the railroads, here is a Wikipedia page on the Frick Bldg. with some interesting bits of history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frick_Building .

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 2:37 PM Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:
I won a Westerfield NB box car as a door prize at CCB. Started on the kit this morning. Beautiful one piece body model BTW. Chances of seeing one of these cars around here are slim to none.There's plenty of info on NYC cars in the history sheets supplied. Don't know just how close this model is to them, but I'm guess it's the same.  I model 48-50 so I'm guessing  the NYC roofs were replaced? The Hannibal Connecting had the same cars as the NB. 'Might' be a better chance of seeing one of those here? Can I do a NYC car with a flat panel roof and three panel door?
Thanks, 
CW Propst

Re: To quote Robert Duvall from "Apocalypse Now," . . .

O Fenton Wells
 

Fantazmagorical Mr. Welch, Just say'in
Fenton

On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 2:25 PM Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:
. . . "I love the smell of Microscale's Micro Sole and Micro Set in the morning." For example here is my kit-bashed Missouri-Kansas-Texas Company Shops 1943-built War Emergency boxcar. It was primed with Badger;s Stynylrez Neutral Yellow Primer and then painted with Badger's M-K-T Yellow. Decals are from Speedwitch Media. I am very happy with the way this has turned out. I am especially digging the klassic klassy "Klasing" handbrake gear and brake wheel.

Bill Welch



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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
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Re: WTB: Tennessee Central Boxcar Decals

Allen Cain
 

At this point the project is a blank canvas in need of information.

He initiated this at my request and I think that he would cover any era that he has the info for so if you want to send it to me I can forward it to him.


Either files or links but please do it soon before he gets started.

Or send it direct to him at the email I provided.

Allen Cain

Re: Westerfield NB box car

Bill Welch
 

Based on interpreting the photos I have examined, I do not think the HB or HC cars received new roofs.

Bill Welch

Re: Bob's Photos

Bill Welch
 

Just spoke to Bob and ask him to look for photos for two groups on Maine Central gondolas, two groups of Central Vermont SS boxcars and two groups of Grand Truck Western SS boxcars. He appreciates our business.

Bill Welch