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Re: Photo: Buffalo. Rochester & Pittsburgh Ry Box Car

mark_landgraf
 

Bob

There were full size MCB couplers used on standard Gage equipment as well as 3/4 size that were popular with narrow Gage in intra-plant rr's. 

The full size MCB couplers were somewhat smaller than today's couplers. Tonnage wasn't as heavy back then. 

The coupler pocket is the same as a current day draft gear pocket. 

The coupler pocket appears to part of a full width car end casting. Whereas more modern car design attaches the coupler draft gear to the center sill. 

Mark


On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 4:42 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io
<chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Photo: Buffalo. Rochester & Pittsburgh Ry Box Car

In the lower right hand corner of this 1909 boxcar is a stencil that reads "M. C. B.

Pocket Coupler". Is "M.C.B" Master Car Builders and what is a pocket coupler?

https://trovestar.com/images/Collections/0/gallery/tsg_45971_1_1.jpg

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: WP conversion

Rich C
 

It will look great when you give it The Doggett Weathering magic

On Saturday, December 7, 2019, 07:48:23 AM CST, Paul Doggett via Groups.Io <paul.doggett2472@...> wrote:


Hi guys

The Accurail conversion is ready for painting and decals for WP I have left the original roof as Tony Thompson reckons some got steel roofs at some stage. The kit bashing is not perfect as I reckon it’s slightly to high but will be a reasonable stand in.


Paul Doggett.  England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿


Re: Stencil: Heavy Repairs

mel perry
 

what is interesting, is the "don't load"
(if that), one would assume that this
car should have been red tagged?
mel perry

On Sun, Dec 8, 2019, 3:07 PM Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Stencil: Heavy Repairs

This is Illinois Central refrigerator car 93347. This car was built in 1916.

A stencil above the sill and to the left of the door reads, "Heavy Repairs McComb 9-28-25":

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-12-08-19/X4319.jpg

A stencil under the reporting marks indicates the car was reweighed the following month, probably very soon after the heavy repairs.

I can't say that I've seen a "Heavy Repairs" stencil before. Was this a common practice at some point or just an Illinois Central practice?

Two other interesting marks include a white dot and a circle with a X on the sill under the door.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Stencil: Heavy Repairs

Bob Chaparro
 

Stencil: Heavy Repairs

This is Illinois Central refrigerator car 93347. This car was built in 1916.

A stencil above the sill and to the left of the door reads, "Heavy Repairs McComb 9-28-25":

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-12-08-19/X4319.jpg

A stencil under the reporting marks indicates the car was reweighed the following month, probably very soon after the heavy repairs.

I can't say that I've seen a "Heavy Repairs" stencil before. Was this a common practice at some point or just an Illinois Central practice?

Two other interesting marks include a white dot and a circle with a X on the sill under the door.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

State of Maine 1932 ARA

Gene Deimling
 

When did the Bangor and Aroostook start applying the three color State of Maine scheme to their 1932 ARA boxcars?


Thanks
Gene Deimling 
--
Gene Deimling
El Dorado Hills, CA

Re: RI 264000 lettering

mopacfirst
 

Interesting that the truck on RI 40921 is a style in which the lower truss members join the journal box near its bottom edge rather than higher up as on later double truss cast sideframes.  There is an HO truck made by Roundhouse that resembles this, which I've used under other 20s-built cars.

Ron Merrick

Re: Questions For The Group: Ladders & Grab Irons

Eric Lombard
 

UP 171918.jpg
UP 125035.jpg
Hello Bob and Everyone...

I see no one provides definitive information about this interesting question. Perhaps because no such rule occurred. I will take a stab at a non-definitive and inferential answer in support of that position. This claim is based on active survivors originally built or rebuilt with grabs instead of ladders and still in service after 1964. My box car database coughs up 111 series with grabs instead of ladders still active on 12-1964 (and later). These cars are clearly on their way out to the scrapyard having been originally built prior to 12-1944 but many also were rebuilt after that date but not in a way that changed the grabs. In 10-1966 a running board and full ladders were banned on all new cars, and on 1/1/1971 cars with running boards were banned in interchange. Yes, in this period there were still a few cars with grabs still in service. For example: In 1-1971, 30 in UP 180000-182346, B-50-17 (steel sheathed, grabs) were in service. These cars were rebuilt from 125900-127899, B-50-13 (wood DS, grabs) and 171500-172999, A-50-7 (wood DS, grabs) in 1935-36. The B-50-13 and A-50-7 were built 1922, so in 1971 the underframes on the B-50-17 heroes were nearing 50 years old. There are many stories like this and my data at 111 series presents an undercount since many series are yet to be traced out to their final extinction since I tend to loose interest about 1960.

Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL
UP 180931 (2).JPG


On Sat, Dec 7, 2019 at 2:38 PM Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Questions For The Group: Ladders & Grab Irons

Was there a point in time at which full-length ladders became mandatory for rolling stock in interchange service, thereby replacing individual grab irons for car roof access?

Would this have been an AAR , Master Car Builders or Federal rule?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Photo: Buffalo. Rochester & Pittsburgh Ry Box Car

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Buffalo. Rochester & Pittsburgh Ry Box Car

In the lower right hand corner of this 1909 boxcar is a stencil that reads "M. C. B.

Pocket Coupler". Is "M.C.B" Master Car Builders and what is a pocket coupler?

https://trovestar.com/images/Collections/0/gallery/tsg_45971_1_1.jpg

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: RI 264000 lettering

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Here are a couple of examples of the plain block lettering that replaced the RR Roman versions on cars repainted, although a lot of cars probably didn't ever get this scheme.  The 40xxx series were renumbered for hide service.
 
Steve Hile



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Schleigh Mike via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2019 12:22 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] RI 264000 lettering

The decals in my kit appear to be for earlier times, perhaps the 'as built' version.  I, and perhaps Ron, would like a source for the the late 1950s Rock Island lettering style.

Mike Schleigh, still in frosty Grove City, Penna.



On Sunday, December 8, 2019, 12:43:34 PM EST, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:


What is wrong with the decals that come with the kit?

Bill Welch

Re: Made a start (WP SS boxcar)

mel perry
 

no seams?
thsnks
mel perry

On Sun, Dec 8, 2019, 12:36 PM Fred Jansz <fred@...> wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]

Hi Paul,

the roof consists of overlapping steel sheets, nothing more (no battens like the Accurail car has).
10 sheets of 3’5” and 2 of 3’-3 7/16"
This never changed.

cheers,
Fred

Re: Made a start (WP SS boxcar)

Fred Jansz
 
Edited

Hi Paul,

the roof consists of overlapping steel sheets, nothing more (no battens like the Accurail car has).
10 sheets of 3’5” and 2 of 3’-3 7/16"
This never changed.

cheers,
Fred

Re: Made a start (WP SS boxcar)

Fred Jansz
 

Claus,

PLASTER CAR
WHEN EMPTY
RETURN TO GERLACH

COLLAPSIBLE BULK HEADS

best regards,
Fred Jansz

Re: RI 264000 lettering

mopacfirst
 

The only thing 'wrong' with the decals that come with the kit is that they're for the original build.  More often than not, that's the situation I find myself in, as a late 50s modeler.

I will no doubt cobble the lettering together from Microscale 87-19 since I happen to have several of those.  Not sure yet about the dimensional data but I think I have enough decals from the Gothic style dimensional data Microscale set.

Thanks, Norm, for posting that shot of a hide car, that's exactly what I thought the car should look like.  Mine will probably be a hide car also, since my railroad serves the Wichita stock yards / packing house complex, and that's where I saw one of these about 1970 but I can't come up with a photo of it.

Ron Merrick

Re: RI 264000 lettering

Schleigh Mike
 

The decals in my kit appear to be for earlier times, perhaps the 'as built' version.  I, and perhaps Ron, would like a source for the the late 1950s Rock Island lettering style.

Mike Schleigh, still in frosty Grove City, Penna.



On Sunday, December 8, 2019, 12:43:34 PM EST, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:


What is wrong with the decals that come with the kit?

Bill Welch

Re: Made a start (WP SS boxcar)

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
Can anyone read the small writing on the door below the herald?
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

From: radiodial868
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2019 10:01 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Made a start (WP SS boxcar)
 
We've discussed the Single Sheath boxcars over on the WP Modelers FB site a couple of times. Bill Kennedy has decals that cover the 26000 series with the proper medallion. Here is an image of the cars in Plaster service that covers the roof a little better (but not perfectly). I keep playing with doing the Accurail conversion, but the more details I find out about the prototype, the more I keep going back to Sketch-up and playing with making parts to make a pattern master for Andrew Dahm to cast. It's doable - if I could just get the time. Such a common lament...
RJ Dial
Burlingame, CA

Re: Another "What do I do with this" quiz

Eric Hansmann
 

It took me awhile to find the product number on the Accurail site. Here’s what Clark bought, but as a data only with dark paint.

http://www.accurail.com/accurail/ART/4500/4512.JPG

 

Check out this February 1993 Richard Hendrickson article to see what is possible.

http://original.trainlife.com/magazines/pages/144/10388/february-1993-page-14

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Clark Propst
Sent: Sunday, December 8, 2019 9:36 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Another "What do I do with this" quiz

 

I a weak moment I picked up an Accurail box car at the mall show yesterday. It's box number is 4498 It's described as a 'Data Only - DK'. I thought it might work for the CL mini-kit, only noticing the steel door, but it has too many side posts. Besides the 3 posts on either side of the door which is corrugated steel it has 7/8 Murphy ends. 
The quiz part is: What can I make this car "Fairly" accurately?
Thanks lot for your advise,
CW Propst

Another "What do I do with this" quiz

David
 

Out of the box, it's good for the Canadian Pacific cars it was modeled after. Light modifications will get you DM&N 3300-3399.

David Thompson

Re: RI 264000 lettering

Bill Welch
 

What is wrong with the decals that come with the kit?

Bill Welch

Re: RI 264000 lettering

Schleigh Mike
 

Hello Ron & Group!

I have a Jay Williams print of RI 40400, no date but reweighed 10-62.  The lettering style is that 'block' style that came to the Rock late in the 1950s.  There is no herald on the right.  That series of car numbers was created about that time for hide service and the 40400 is so labeled.  This car is modeled by Rocket Express RI-2 (double door, fixed ends).

Hope this helps.

Regards from frosty Grove City in western Penna.

Mike Schleigh

On Sunday, December 8, 2019, 11:31:25 AM EST, mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote:


I have a RI 264000 series single-sheathed double door box (Rocket Express) almost ready to paint.  I'm looking for the lettering style from the mid-late 50s, either as a general service car or as a hide car.  There are plenty of photos on line of RI 264070, freshly restored to its as-built paint scheme, but none in-service late in life.

I can assume that, beyond the reporting marks and data, that there probably would not have been a herald or ROCK ISLAND lettering on the car.  Is this likely?  And reporting marks - Roman or gothic?

Ron Merrick

Re: RI 264000 lettering

Norm Buckhart
 

Ron - this could have been renumbered but may be what you are looking for.  norm buckhart

On Dec 8, 2019, at 8:31 AM, mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote:

I have a RI 264000 series single-sheathed double door box (Rocket Express) almost ready to paint.  I'm looking for the lettering style from the mid-late 50s, either as a general service car or as a hide car.  There are plenty of photos on line of RI 264070, freshly restored to its as-built paint scheme, but none in-service late in life.

I can assume that, beyond the reporting marks and data, that there probably would not have been a herald or ROCK ISLAND lettering on the car.  Is this likely?  And reporting marks - Roman or gothic?

Ron Merrick