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Photo: Stewart-Peck Gondola Cars

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Stewart-Peck Gondola Cars

An undated photo from the Kansas City Public Library:

https://kchistory.org/islandora/object/kchistory%3A102534?solr_nav%5Bid%5D=8b6e0f30cd8eb3736ee7&solr_nav%5Bpage%5D=52&solr_nav%5Boffset%5D=9

Click on the photo, then click again to enlarge it.

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Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Tichy low side gon

Benjamin Hom
 

Clark Propst asked:
"Saw a Tichy gon for sale. It amounts to their 40’ flat with wood sides. Is their a prototype for this?"

Fenton Wells replied:
"B&O,PRR and SR had these but not sure the cars are identical to the Tichy car."

They are not.  The Tichy model is neither PRR nor B&O.


"Westerfield makes the PRR car I think F&C makes the B&O car but not sure."

To clarify, Westerfield offers PRR Class GRA kits in HO and Funaro offers PRR Class GR kits in HO and S; Funaro once offered B&O Class O-15 composite gons in HO but no longer lists this kit.  Funaro offers other composite gon kits.  However, none of these prototypes are close to the Tichy model in question.


Ben Hom

Re: Tichy low side gon

O Fenton Wells
 

Here is my version of the Southern car


On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 12:08 PM O Fenton Wells via groups.io <srrfan1401=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
B&O,PRR and SR had these but not sure the cars are identical to the Tichy car.  Westerfield makes the PRR car I think F&C makes the B&O car but not sure

On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 11:55 AM Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:
Saw a Tichy gon for sale. It amounts to their 40’ flat with wood sides. Is their a prototype for this?
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa



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Re: Tichy low side gon

Kenneth Montero
 

Clark,

Tichy offers the kit with Atlantic Coast Line decals - kit no. 4040.

 It is near the bottom of his opening page.

Ken Montero

On June 21, 2020 at 11:55 AM Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:

Saw a Tichy gon for sale. It amounts to their 40’ flat with wood sides. Is their a prototype for this?
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

 

Re: Tichy low side gon

O Fenton Wells
 

B&O,PRR and SR had these but not sure the cars are identical to the Tichy car.  Westerfield makes the PRR car I think F&C makes the B&O car but not sure


On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 11:55 AM Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:
Saw a Tichy gon for sale. It amounts to their 40’ flat with wood sides. Is their a prototype for this?
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa



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910-420-8106
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Re: More Burro Cranes

Bob Miller
 

Garth,

 

I’ll offer a couple of Burro crane photos from the yard in Saginaw, Michigan taken at different times.

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2020 6:41 AM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] More Burro Cranes

 

Friends,

 

Since we're discussing Burro cranes, I offer five more cranes for you to contemplate. I think these are all the rest that I have, certainly all that I have in digitized format.

 

Buckingham Branch Railroad no #. This one looks like a Model 30, and was probably derelict when I found it. Photographed at Dillwyn, Virginia.

 

Buckingham Branch Railroad no #. This is probably a Model 40. Note how the boom folds. Also at Dillwyn, Virginia.

 

Western Pacific no #. According to diagrams I have, the Western Pacific owned three Model 15s: B64, B65 and B66.. This was found in Stockton, California. Note the very interesting wheeled crane behind the Burro.

 

Western Pacific no #. I only have a partial shot of this crane at Oakland, but it seems to also be a Model 15. The boxcar was the real object of my interest.

 

Union Pacific BC-25, at Glenwood Springs (shot through an Amtrak window, sorry). This might be an ex-D&RGW machine.

 

Yours Aye,

 

 

Garth Groff  🦆

 

Tichy low side gon

Clark Propst
 

Saw a Tichy gon for sale. It amounts to their 40’ flat with wood sides. Is their a prototype for this?
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

Re: silver SAL box cars

bigfourroad
 

Tony
I frequently refer to Paul Faulk's Color Guide to Seaboard Freight and Passenger equipment.  He says the SAL's policy was to paint boxcars according to their equipment and intended use. The silver cars were beer cars with insulated roofs as class XMI and the last series of PS-1's was built in 1952 carrying numbers 25000 to 25499.  Of these 47 had the roof insulation and red lettering and many were assigned to Tampa where there was a large brewery (cover and page 46 of Faulk's book available form SCLHS and other sources.) Caution as there were also gray cars in this builders lot that had Evans loaders for appliance service. The first PS-1's were ordered in 1948 starting with 24000 - 24499 and included gray cars assigned to bleached pulp service.  The next order was in 1951 for series 24500-24999. Sorry I can't bracket it tighter for you now it might be a matter of actually copying a prototype photo. Chris Rooney

Dunbar Molasses tank cars

Richard Townsend
 

For those enamored with the fleet of Dunbar Molasses and Syrup Company tank cars we saw recently, Tangent has just announced 8,000 gallon tank cars with that lettering. https://www.tangentscalemodels.com/general-american-8000-gallon-1917-design-radial-course-tank-car/

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR

Re: Oxide red

William Hirt
 

I wrote about this a few weeks ago. You can still get the real thing - Floquil Oxide Red - if that is the match you need.

<http://www.narrowgaugemodeling.com/floquil-paint/>

And yes, they are unopened bottles and they sell at the last retail price that Floquil sold at.

I opened a bottle I bought recently from them a few days ago and the paint was fine.

Bill Hirt

On 6/20/2020 8:10 PM, Brian Carlson via groups.io wrote:
The MRH paint mapping guide suggests Vallejo Scarlet Red 72.712 for floquil oxide red.

Scarlet red looks very very red. Has anyone actually used this color and can offer an opinion before I buy a bottle.

Brian J. Carlson

Re: Oxide red

Lester Breuer
 

Brian the MRH color chart for Floquil Oxide Red is suggesting Vallejo Game Air 72.712 as a close match and not exact.  I have not used Vallejo Game Air so can not comment.  However, MRH also suggests Model Master 4882 as a match.  For the Model Master 4882 match I use Vallejo Model Color Saddle Brown 70.940 or I use a mix of Model Color Black Red 70.859, 50%  and Flat Yellow 70.953, 50%

Hope this helps.
Lester Breuer

Re: Photo: Vegetarian Meat Reefer - Cudahy 5177

San Antonio & San Francisco
 

The 1914-16 car has the reporting marks of C.R.L and is marked Cudahy Refrigerator Line.

The 1890s car has the reporting marks of C.P.R.L and is marked Cudahy Produce Refrigerator Line.

Take from actual photographs of both.

Levi

Re: Photo: Vegetarian Meat Reefer - Cudahy 5177

San Antonio & San Francisco
 

Prior to 1911:

Cudahy Refrigerator Line:   C.R.L
Cudahy Produce Refrigerator Line:   C.P.R.L
Cudahy Oil Tank Line:  C.O.T.L.
Cudahy Stock Express:  C.S.E.
John Cudahy Packing Company:   J.C.P.Co.
Cudahy Milwaukee Refrigerator Line:  C.M.R.L.

Levi


Verified through ORER and actual railroad car pictures.

how do you paint trucks of early freight cars?

Ray Hutchison
 

We know that different roads painted the car trucks in different ways, but I am wondering how we know what those colors are / should be?  In some instances the information is pretty stable (Great Northern had trucks painted same color as the cars) and in some instances you can tell from photographs (the Fowler Son & Co. reefer below was part of discussion a couple of weeks ago, the wheels were painted same color as the body).  Is there any listing of this information that I could be looking at?  I am specifically looking for information about trucks for the 36' Yakima Valley Apple truss rod reefers, which were part of the Northern Refrigerator Car Co.


More Burro Cranes

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Friends,

Since we're discussing Burro cranes, I offer five more cranes for you to contemplate. I think these are all the rest that I have, certainly all that I have in digitized format.

Buckingham Branch Railroad no #. This one looks like a Model 30, and was probably derelict when I found it. Photographed at Dillwyn, Virginia.

Buckingham Branch Railroad no #. This is probably a Model 40. Note how the boom folds. Also at Dillwyn, Virginia.

Western Pacific no #. According to diagrams I have, the Western Pacific owned three Model 15s: B64, B65 and B66.. This was found in Stockton, California. Note the very interesting wheeled crane behind the Burro.

Western Pacific no #. I only have a partial shot of this crane at Oakland, but it seems to also be a Model 15. The boxcar was the real object of my interest.

Union Pacific BC-25, at Glenwood Springs (shot through an Amtrak window, sorry). This might be an ex-D&RGW machine.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

LIFE LINE OF THE NATION AMERICAN RAILROADS IN WWII Carl Dudley 70892

Paul Doggett
 

Plenty of freight cars on this film
Paul Doggett England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

https://youtu.be/THN9x1FNahQ

Re: Oxide red

Jim Hayes
 

I do most of my on-line shopping at Burbank Hobby. Their Vallajo paint is also $2.99. I use only Vallejo so I can use my spray booth inside with just an open window. My spray booth does have a good filter and exhaust fan.
By the way, I'm looking for a CP boxcar red, not CN.

Jim

Re: Oxide red

Ken Adams
 

I am not too sure about some of the equivalent colors indicated in the MRH Acrylic guide. Some do not agree with what I see when I actually use the paint.  Also Vallejo is introducing new colors all the time. The 70.814 Burnt Red seems to be a recent addition (at least with an English color name) I now use as a reasonable brushable substitute for TruColor 211  SP Freight Car Red 1940-1960 and Star Brand SP-UP Freight Car Red. A gloss coat of Future over the matte of Model Color application really shows how close they are.   Vallejo color charts don't seem too accurate in my browser's rendering so I have to guess and experiment a bit.

If you have to buy Vallejo mail order from Amazon, it can be much quite expensive. I found Sprue Brothers to be a better price at  USD 2.99 for most bottles. Factor in shipping charges and I don't know what would be charged shipped to Canada.

I don't airbrush so I use the Vallejo Model Color line a lot. Properly hand brushed on a primed surface it is as good a finish as I used to get with an airbrush. In addition to the basic Model Color line ( the 70.nnn series) there are other specialty lines such as Panzer Aces that have a log of good colors for weathering and building colors in addition to military modeling. I wound up buying a lot of 71.080 Model Air Rust color when Micro-mark was selling it as Freight Car Red. I haven't used it except as a hand brush on rust wash for weathering.

Have you looked at the Tamiya rattle can reds. Their Oxide Red Fine Primer works as the right color for a finish coat of FCR for some railroads.  You might also look at their rattle can Red-Brown and Dull Red colors. Their cans have a very fine spray and the paint properly applied will equal an airbrush look.
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Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek

Re: Oxide red

Jim Hayes
 

While we're talking Vallejo, can anyone recommend a Valejo paint for Canadian boxcar red?

Jim

Re: silver SAL box cars

Ed Hawkins
 



On Jun 20, 2020, at 8:16 PM, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:

I'm sure there is someone on the list who can tell me when Seaboard starting painting some box cars silver, such as the Kadee PS-1 that is out there (could be after the time frame of this list). I would appreciate the help.

Tony,
I don’t know the earliest date when the silver paint began use. All I have to go by is a color photo of S.A.L. 25348 painted silver with red stencils done at JAX. 9-59. Hope this helps. 
Regards,
Ed Hawkins