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Rivetology & Improving an Older Model of C&G #3703

Bill Welch
 

Awhile back I posted photos of Columbus & Greenville #3703, a model of a rebuilt steel boxcar I kitbashed over two decades ago. Photos can be very revealing and as I looked at the photos I could see how far I have come in terms of recognizing details and that I have developed some pretty good modeling skills. Further there are products now available that can help me (and all of us) build better models. With that in mind I decided to see what I could do to improve this model.

Back in the day the only thing I could think of to serve for the many rivets of various sizes along the sill were the Detail Associates Nut/Bolt/Washer parts. I knew they were much too big but could not think of anything else. Now I knew how to more accurately represent the various sizes needed on the model’s Sill and to hold the ladders in place.

First however look at the two photos comparing three different rivets. From L to R are an Athearn Boxcar rivet, Athearn Gondola Rivet, and a Tichy .20 Rivet, their smallest. The Boxcar rivet is the one I harvest most of the time. For C&G 3703 I only used these on the sill step mounting straps. I decided the other rivets should be a little larger as they would encounter more stress given their position so I harvested rivets from the Athearn gondola. For the ladders attachment brackets I used the small Tichy rivets to model the bolt heads. I was able to remove the Detail Associates NBW heads pretty easily and managed to salvage many of them to be recycled on other models.

One of the things I do to help me see the top curved side of the Athearn rivets is to run a Silver Sharpie over them before I harvest them. Some of this silver can be seen in the photos.

As I proceeded I realized thanks to Archer rivet decals, I could now place a line rivets on the two side sheets to the right of the door where the original door track was. The ones I used are very close to the size and spacing already on the car. I paused for a minute after applying and said to myself: “This looks really good.” Then I decided to try to play a visual trick and applied lengths of Archer’s smallest Aircraft Panel Line decals to delineate the missing bottom edges of the side sheets. It will be interesting to see what this area looks like when it gets painted.

I am pretty sure I painted this model with Accuflex Burlington Great Northern Green so I will use the same color from Badger’s Modelflex line of paints.

Bill Welch

Re: Photo: Trainload of Maytag Washers

 

Very cool.  I wonder how much production that represents from the factory, a week?

Mike Aufderheide

Re: Plant identity

Paul Woods
 

I concur; I have enough of it around my house to recognise it pretty quick.

Regards
Paul Woods

Whangarei, NZ
NYCSHS #7172

Re: Photo: Chalk Marks On Boxcar

Bob Chaparro
 

Keeley Cans & Hoses

This message was posted by "MontourMan" on Train Orders.com on 09/26/16. It was in response to a question about hoses over the truck bearings on a UP locomotive tender.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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Keeley was a name that railroaders picked up to use referring to the treatment of hotboxes. See the attached Wikipedia link:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keeley_Institute

We have several portable "Keeley Cans" that the Burlington made, that have light chains to secure it to the freight car body.

Attached to it was a long rubber hose with a regulating valve to control water flow to the hot bearing.

This was to allow the car to be moved to the nearest set off point for proper repair.

These cans are marked "Burlington" and I have never seen anything like it from any other railroad.

Photo: Trainload of Maytag Washers

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Trainload of Maytag Washers

This is link to a 1935 publicity photo from the collection of the University of Utah:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s6tj0x2j

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Photos: Railroad Yard At Ogden, Utah

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: PFE Reefer With Load Of Pecan Pieces

Bob Chaparro
 

PFE Reefer With Load Of Pecan Pieces

This is link to a 1927 photo from the collection of the University of Utah:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s6jq397q

The stenciling on the barrels appears to say they contain pecan pieces. The captions says the load is pecans.

In any case, this is another example of a non-perishable load shipped in a refrigerator car.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet

Re: Photo: Tank Cars At Refinery

Thomas Evans
 

Notice that the lettering is completely invisible - no doubt obliterated by dirt & grime - Tom

Re: Plant identity

Perry Scheuerman
 

I am pretty sure the brown plant is curly dock. The plant itself is deep green, just the seed head turns dark brown. 

Perry Scheuerman

On Dec 1, 2019, at 6:56 PM, Jared Harper <harperandbrown@...> wrote:


I am trying to identify a plant that seems to grow widely in  the Flint Hills area of Kansas.  I have attached a photo that shows  this rusty brown colored plant.  The photo was taken in May.  Does anyong know the name of the plant?

Thanks!

Jared  Harper
Athens, GA
<Wild flowers.jpg>

Re: Photo: Tank Cars At Refinery

Bruce Smith
 

Bill,

That is a UTL car but not the frameless "Van Dyke" or, if you wish to be more accurate "Type V" car. Rather, close examination of the car will show that it has a frame, so this is the UTL "Type X" car that the Roundhouse olde time tank car is somewhat loosely based on.

You are, of course, completely correct about the brake wheel being a characteristic of this generation of UTL built cars.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Daniels via Groups.Io <billinsf@...>
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 6:49 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Tank Cars At Refinery
 
Steve, that was the typical arrangement on the Ban Dyke tankcars. Some still exist on the Cumbes & Toltec, albeit narrow gauged.

Bill Daniels
Santa Rosa California 


On Dec 1, 2019, at 4:39 PM, Steve Wolcott <swolcott@...> wrote:

Interesting brakewheel arrangement on that tank car.  Haven't seen that before.  
Steve Wolcott

Re: Plant identity

Thomas Birkett
 

Looks like what we call sumac on Oklahoma
Tom Birkett, Bartlesville



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Plant identity

Jared Harper
 

I am trying to identify a plant that seems to grow widely in  the Flint Hills area of Kansas.  I have attached a photo that shows  this rusty brown colored plant.  The photo was taken in May.  Does anyong know the name of the plant?

Thanks!

Jared  Harper
Athens, GA

Re: Photo: Tank Cars At Refinery

Bill Daniels <billinsf@...>
 

Steve, that was the typical arrangement on the Ban Dyke tankcars. Some still exist on the Cumbes & Toltec, albeit narrow gauged.

Bill Daniels
Santa Rosa California 


On Dec 1, 2019, at 4:39 PM, Steve Wolcott <swolcott@...> wrote:

Interesting brakewheel arrangement on that tank car.  Haven't seen that before.  
Steve Wolcott

Re: Photo: Salt Lake, Garfield & Western Railway Tank Car & Boxcar

mikefrommontanan
 

Not a SLG&W afficionado, but suspecting that car just came from a dealer and was merely receiving fresh lettering, notice the body paint was not renewed.  Then again there are exposure dark spots around the "Saltaire" emblem.  Was Scotchbrite (or equivalent adhesive system) lettering (not just stripes or emblems) in use by the end of our (STMFC) time?

Looks close to the Accurail car, but appearing to be 10' IH. so.........


Michael Seitz

Missoula MT

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Re: Photo: Tank Cars At Refinery

Steve Wolcott
 

Interesting brakewheel arrangement on that tank car.  Haven't seen that before.  
Steve Wolcott

Re: Photo: D&RGW Gondola With Load Of Mine Cars

Bill Daniels <billinsf@...>
 

You might notice that the “W” on the road name was added later. The D&RG absorbed the RGW shortly before and became the D&RGW. On the end reporting mark, the “W” is much whiter than the rest of the reporting mark.

Bill Daniels
Santa Rosa, California

Re: Photo: Salt Lake, Garfield & Western Railway Tank Car & Boxcar

Charles Peck
 

I would guess the simple explanation is that he was paid by the hour.
Chuck Peck

On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 5:24 PM mel perry <clipper841@...> wrote:
or had alot of free time
:-)
mel perry


On Sun, Dec 1, 2019, 2:17 PM mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote:
Either that sign painter made off like a bandit, or he owed the railroad a big favor.

Ron Merrick

Re: Photo: Salt Lake, Garfield & Western Railway Tank Car & Boxcar

mel perry
 

or had alot of free time
:-)
mel perry


On Sun, Dec 1, 2019, 2:17 PM mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote:
Either that sign painter made off like a bandit, or he owed the railroad a big favor.

Ron Merrick

Re: Photo: Salt Lake, Garfield & Western Railway Tank Car & Boxcar

mopacfirst
 

Either that sign painter made off like a bandit, or he owed the railroad a big favor.

Ron Merrick

Re: CN bcr

Clark Propst
 

Bill Welch
9:08am   
There are a few photos on Fallen Flags site


Thanks Bill! The F&C drawings do show the end board. Your attachments answered the door issue. 
CW Propst