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Boxcar Car Stenciling Practices

Bob Chaparro
 

Boxcar Car Stenciling Practices

I've notice in builder's photos steam and transition era boxcars have a stencil stating "New" with a month and year which appears just above the sill to the right of the Capacity, Load Limit and Light Weight data.

Boxcars that have been in service long enough to require reweighing have their original stencils replaced by station symbols and reweigh dates.

The stencil information stating when the car was built then appears above the sill to the right of the door as "BLT" with a month and year.

Is there a required specification for these stencils and their locations or is it just a matter of recommend practice?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Revenue Divisions Between Railroads

Doug Polinder
 

Alex, thanks for the post.  Some of us remember and lament the loss of the MIGN and Chief (I rode the former from Rockford to Cedar Springs).  Are you saying Chicago was a gateway for MIGN?  How did they get there?  I thought the southern gateway was Grand Rapids, interchange with CSX (also at Reed City), CR, and GTW (and AA at Cadillac).

After partial deregulation in 1980 divisions remained a subject of negotiation between the carriers.  Sometimes potential movements were never realized because one of the participating railroads was too greedy.  Sometimes there was no satisfactory intermediate point where the participants could interchange and each get an equitable share of the revenue.  I was with BN and was trying to negotiate with my counterpart at CP for a move from Seattle to Minot ND.  Turns out the only workable interchange points were Minot itself and Sumas WA, meaning one of the participants would get only a couple hundred bucks, so that move never took place.

I'm glad to hear Fred Crissey is still with us.

Doug Polinder
Poquoson VA

Re: Offered HO--Intermountain 10'0" '37 AAR undec box car kit

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

I'll take it Andy.



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-------- Original message --------
From: Andy Carlson <midcentury@...>
Date: 11/15/19 8:41 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: STMFC <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Offered HO--Intermountain 10'0" '37 AAR undec box car kit

Hello-

Found in the corner.....
I have a new, old stock (it is in the older red and white printed box), Intermountain 19037 AAR box car kit, undecorated, IMRC # 40799 with 4/5 early Drednaught end.  I am including with this purchase a new Red Caboose Murphy rectangular panel roof. Offered for $24 with free shipping to the US.

I accept checks and money orders. With a small fee PayPal is accepted. Contact me Off-List (Please) at <midcentury@...> with questions.
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

Offered HO--Intermountain 10'0" '37 AAR undec box car kit

Andy Carlson
 

Hello-

Found in the corner.....
I have a new, old stock (it is in the older red and white printed box), Intermountain 19037 AAR box car kit, undecorated, IMRC # 40799 with 4/5 early Drednaught end.  I am including with this purchase a new Red Caboose Murphy rectangular panel roof. Offered for $24 with free shipping to the US.

I accept checks and money orders. With a small fee PayPal is accepted. Contact me Off-List (Please) at <midcentury@...> with questions.
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

Re: How's Tichy doing currently, decal thickness and all?

Tony Thompson
 

Fred Jansz wrote:

speaking about PFE decals;
wish someone would print the 'inverted' UP herald as (accidentally) used on the R-30-16 (and maybe others).
fun to add to one of my Sunshine R-30-16's.

    Talk about rarities! These certainly did exist but since they contradicted the lettering drawing (and we know PFE did care about that), they were definitely unusual. But of course modelers love the rare and peculiar. Not always sure I understand why.

Tony Thompson



Re: Looking for car colors and road numbers (Tichy Flatcars)

Fred Jansz
 

That's a very realistic looking deck RJ!
Thanks for sharing your work.
Very inspiring.
Will try that too when the WP flats arrive....
Fred Jansz

Re: Red Caboose NP reefer kitbash with CVMW roof

Fran Giacoma
 

Paul and Matthew - thanks for the kind comments. My layout was featured in Issue 45 of the B&O Modeler; here is the link to it:
https://borhs.org/ModelerMag/Modeler-45-201711.pdf

I live in southern Delaware.

Fran G.

NMRA Online Photo Archive

Bill Welch
 

If there are any NMRA members here, can you please inquire with the "powers that be" why some Reporting Marks have disappeared from the "Bob Charles Collection' on their site—SRR and SP for example? There were there at one point.

http://archive.nmra.org/Collections.aspx?c=509

Second, why do they not have the Harold "Dusty" Miller and Ernest Stefan collections available online since they own the negatives? All of these collections contain Freight Car images directly related to the era of this discussion group.

Bill Welch

Re: Looking for car colors and road numbers (Tichy Flatcars)

mopacfirst
 

Thanks for posting this;  it replaces the Tichy kit advice that uses Floquil.  I had good results with the Floquil, and I've been kind of messing around with acrylics and gotten OK results, but I'm going to try these on several flatcars I currently have on the bench. 

Ron Merrick

Re: Revenue Divisions Between Railroads

Alex Huff
 

Confirming what Fred Crissey said, divisions of revenue between railroads were not governed by the ICC (at the time), they were privately negotiated between carriers.  When Michigan Northern Railway took over an ex-PRR line between Mackinaw City, MI and Grand Rapids, MI, it inherited by adoption (as required by the ICC) "all rates, routes and divisions".  This occurred on April 1, 1976, the same day Conrail started up.  Because MIGN had a connection with the Soo Line via the carferry Chief Wawatam at Mackinaw City, we had a gateway connection between the Western Territory and the Eastern Territory.  Chicago was another gateway.  After developing a fair amount of overhead traffic by declining to participate in an Ex Parte increase in freight rates during the Carter inflationary era, MIGN had to contact lots of railroads to get copies of division sheets.  Some were from a long undisturbed file apparently.  They had a musty odor and the division percent was hand written in ink in a Spencerian hand.  Partial deregulation in 1980 freed the railroads to renegotiate and/or cancel divisions.  Consolidation into the big six, BNSF, CN, CP, CSX, NS, and UP was one of the results.
Alex Huff, an incorporator of MIGN.                    

FS: Photo of Diamond Alkali Co. chlorine cylinder tank car

Bob Weston
 

Photo is an 8 X 10 B&W photo of  Diamond Alkali Co. chlorine car that carries one ton cylinders. Asking $5.00 which includes postage by media mail.I accept check or money order. If interested contact me off list at OandLE@....
Thanks!
Bob Weston

Re: Red Caboose NP reefer kitbash with CVMW roof

Paul Doggett
 

That is a very nice looking layout thanks for sharing.

Paul Doggett. England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

Re: Red Caboose NP reefer kitbash with CVMW roof

Matthew Hurst
 

Good morning,

Just saw the photos of the NP stock car in Winchester,VA. Love it. Do you live near or in the area of Winchester?  If so I would love to see your layout. 

Always like to see models of my hometown. 

Regards 

Matthew Hurst. 


On Nov 15, 2019, at 8:44 AM, Fran Giacoma <frangiacoma@...> wrote:

I pretty much went with what Andy described when I built my CV NP stock car. However, being a "good enough" model for my HO late 1956 era B&O Shenandoah Sub-division layout, I just narrowed the ends and roof, and used the rest of the kit as is. I used dimensions from a diagram of the car and photos found online. Pictures are attached including one showing it being weighed on the scale at Winchester, VA.
Fran Giacoma

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Re: Red Caboose NP reefer kitbash with CVMW roof

Fran Giacoma
 

I pretty much went with what Andy described when I built my CV NP stock car. However, being a "good enough" model for my HO late 1956 era B&O Shenandoah Sub-division layout, I just narrowed the ends and roof, and used the rest of the kit as is. I used dimensions from a diagram of the car and photos found online. Pictures are attached including one showing it being weighed on the scale at Winchester, VA.
Fran Giacoma

Re: Red Caboose NP reefer kitbash with CVMW roof

Bill Welch
 

NPHS offers corrected ends for the CV stock car.

Bill Welch

Re: How's Tichy doing currently, decal thickness and all?

Bill Welch
 

On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 01:33 AM, Fred Jansz wrote:
speaking about PFE decals;
wish someone would print the 'inverted' UP herald as (accidentally) used on the R-30-16 (and maybe others).
fun to add to one of my Sunshine R-30-16's.
cheers,
Fred Jansz
I have 3-5 photos of cars with the reversed Red and White strips. Toward the end Champ was custom printing their art work and I had them print this version for me with extras to give to a few friends. I used mine on one of the late Terry Wegman's kit-bash kits using his roof and Red Caboose body to do my 30-16. Dick Harley reminds me occasionally that the "Union Pacific" lettering is not quite correct but I can live with it. Perhaps you should approach "Musk Island" about doing version. Microscale also has the art work via Dick and they custom print decal too.

Bill Welch

Re: OMI 1930-built GATC 10,000 Gal double dome tank car

Fred Jansz
 

Hi there Garth!
please do read the whole discussion.
Short: NIPX 6 & 7 were back in the GATX pool, but 1930 built NIPX 8 was pictured by Arnt Gerritsen in 1988, so one might presume it was also among us in 1950.
NIPCo sent the car West to dump the toxic waste in the virgin Feather River.
At least, that's how it was done on my RR in those good old times!
cheerio,
Fred Jansz

Re: How's Tichy doing currently, decal thickness and all?

Fred Jansz
 

Gents,
agree with that (fonts, size and thickness).
would like to emphasize Ted's excellent PFE decal line too.

speaking about PFE decals;
wish someone would print the 'inverted' UP herald as (accidentally) used on the R-30-16 (and maybe others).
fun to add to one of my Sunshine R-30-16's.
cheers,
Fred Jansz

Re: Looking for car colors and road numbers (Tichy Flatcars)

radiodial868
 

The Airhose bracket on the SSW is rubber Hi-Techs and the DL&W is plastic Kadee with those crappy flimsy hoses replaced with black wire. 
As for the deck, that is a strong point of the Tichys. Attached is a set of images of the paint sequence.
  1. Gray solvent based primer (ModelMaster in this case).
  2. Swipes of thinned acrylic paint colors of the usual suspects: burnt & raw umbers & siennas, black, gray
  3. A thinned acrylic paint oxide or boxcar red wash
  4. Followed by a black artists oils wash
  5. Followed by good old Dullcoat.
Apologize for the bandwidth on STMFC, but never have shared this on Resin Freight Cars, because these ain't resin!
RJ Dial

Re: How's Tichy doing currently, decal thickness and all?

Tony Thompson
 

Dick Harley wrote:

Tichy PFE decals have lettering that is the wrong size and shape - some too big, some too small.  The numbers are the wrong size, and their shape is nowhere near what PFE (and SP and UP) used.  The UP medallions are the wrong shape and style.

Compare lettering to the SPH&TS painting & lettering book, or new Microscale sets 87-501 or 60-501.  Compare medallions to the book or Microscale 87-414 or MC-4021.
Tichy's PFE artwork is just not accurate - or even close. 

     Dick is exactly right. I haven't bought any Tichy PFE decals, because I rely on the "gold standard," the new Microscale sets with Dick's superb artwork, taken from PFE drawings. But I recently looked at a friend's PFE set from TIchy, and as Dick says, not even close. I have no idea what, if anything, these decals are based on, but obviously not the prototype. Caveat emptor.

Tony Thompson