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Re: What is This Tank Body?

lrkdbn
 

I think it might be an old SP O-50-4 fuel oil car from about 1905,those were large (12,000 gal) and both the small dome and the "fore and aft" elbow safety valves would fit. I also think it is a radial course tank
rather than insulated.-can't see any lip around the end.
As for modeling,I think I'd look at Tony Thompson's SP freight cars book vol.5,p.247 for starters.
I think these cars were written up in the trade literature when they were built also.
Larry King

Re: K4 Decals

Brad Andonian
 

I have purchased many sets in O and remain pleased.    I have also found the owner very receptive to ideas for new sets.   I encourage you to support him and offer suggestions.

Brad Andonian 

Re: Tangent GATC 8,000 Gallon 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Car

Steve and Barb Hile
 

I suspect that I have done this exercise a time or two before.  There is much more detail in the UTLX book.  Personally, I am drawn to model 1952, so it is good to have both the UTLX record and the 1955 Tank Car Tariff to make comparisons.

 

In round numbers in 1952, UTLX rostered about 41,000 tank cars.  The listings below account for about 38,000 of those and don’t include very small, very large or multi-compartment cars.

 

10,000 gallon Class X-3                   10,561

8000 gallon Class X-3                       1923

6500 gallon Class X-3                       3838

10,000 gallon Class X                          972

8000 gallon Class X                           3156

6,500 gallon Class X                            605

10,000 gallon Class X-4                     493

11,000 gallon Class X-5-300           5302

11,000 gallon Class X-5-400             391                       Total UTLX design cars   27,241 cars

10,000 gallon Class Z                        3431

8000 gallon Class Z                           6761

11,000 gallon Class Z-5-300             382                       Total non-UTLX design cars          10,574 cars          Total      37,815 cars

 

The only HO models of the UTLX design cars were/are the resin kits from Sunshine Models and, more recently, from Resin Car Works.

 

UTLX purchased, new, at least 1000 of the 8000 gallon GATC designed cars (the Tangent car) and certainly acquired others of these through second hand purchases in the 1930’s.  They also purchased, new, some from Standard Tank Car Company, both 8000 and 10,000 gallon cars.  (Southern Car and Foundry underframe, but need horizontally riveted tanks.)

 

Second hand 8000 and 10,000 gallon ACF tank cars (the P2k models) were also added to the fleet during the 1930’s

 

Mostly in the rush to expand the roster of high pressure tank cars following WWII, UTLX also purchased ACF designed Z-5-300’s, like the Kadee car.

 

Steve Hile

 

 

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Tangent GATC 8,000 Gallon 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Car

 

From all of Elden's research here in the archives, wouldn't GATX be more common than UTLX on these General American cars? I have more UTLX than I should, thanks to the P2K offerings, and not enough GATX which was the largest fleet circa my 1953. I have GATX decals coming from Black Cat.
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Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL

Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] PRR X26C with both Superior door and 'Stanray' diagonal panel roof

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Ben;

 

Those facts are correct, and folks have stopped arguing about it.  I did the research.

 

They didn’t generally get switched around, but in rebuilds, like when they rebuilt X26C to X26F, it could happen.

 

I don’t have all my photos handy, but I have photos of cars with different doors from as-built.  Even more common are gon end switch outs.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

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Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] PRR X26C with both Superior door and 'Stanray' diagonal panel roof

 

I am wondering whether this variation is possible?

I believe from looking at Keystone Modeler, that the 106260-107259 series that had Superior doors were equipped with rectangular panel roofs, and the final 500, 107260-107749 were the ones with the diagonal panel roofs, but could the doors be switched around between the sub-types? 
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Ben Scanlon
Tottenham, England

Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Tangent GATC 8, 000 Gallon 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Car

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Guys;

 

In that timeframe, GATX and UTLX had fleets numbering ~50-55k, both the largest on the roads.   SHPX was a distant third, then NATX.

 

We had been hurting for GATC prototypes before Dave did his highly welcome models.  We still need an X-3, but also more GATX models.

 

More 8k 103’s, more acid cars, an 8k X-3, some more insulated 103’s, and we’d all be happy campers.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

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Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Tangent GATC 8, 000 Gallon 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Car

 

From all of Elden's research here in the archives, wouldn't GATX be more common than UTLX on these General American cars? I have more UTLX than I should, thanks to the P2K offerings, and not enough GATX which was the largest fleet circa my 1953. I have GATX decals coming from Black Cat.
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Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL

Re: What is This Tank Body?

Todd Sullivan
 

Hi Tom,

I think this tank car body is from an insulated pressure tank car.  The 'dome' is pretty small for a tank of this size, and pressure cars (Athearn 'chemical' tank car and offerings by Atlas and Kadee as 11,000 gallon cars) have small domes.  The stepped appearance of the exterior of the tank makes it look like a radial course shell, but insulated pressure cars had the same appearance due to the jacketing that was over the insulation. The third reason I think it is an ICC 105 (insulated pressure car) is that the diameter is larger than most 10,000 gallon uninsulated cars, and certainly larger than smaller sizes of uninsulated cars.

Todd Sullivan.

Re: Central Vermont boxcars

Dave Parker
 

Not new, but I can't speak to what might have happened in later years.

The CV's 1929 cars were all XAs, only nominally similar to the CN cars because of the Dreadnaught ends, but with much narrower truss panels.
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Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA

Re: ATSF Mineral Brown

BRIAN PAUL EHNI
 

After receiving a purple Chateau Martin wine car, instead of the magenta they actually used, I want to lay eyes on anything coming from Intermountain. I will not pre-order anything except undecorated kits.


Thanks!
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Brian Ehni

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of ottokroutil via groups.io
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF Mineral Brown

Yes, clearly there were variations over time and place. My original question was in part a reaction to the recent release by Intermountain of Bx-37’s in N scale. Nicely done models, but...
Well, see pics below. Both are IM cars. If I’m the company rep asked to use my judgment, what do I do?
Regards, Otto

Re: ATSF Mineral Brown

Nelson Moyer
 

All the more reason to avoid Intermountain RTR and build resin, where you paint it yourself. Let the unwashed masses support their business model.

Nelson Moyer

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF Mineral Brown

Yes, clearly there were variations over time and place. My original question was in part a reaction to the recent release by Intermountain of Bx-37’s in N scale. Nicely done models, but...
Well, see pics below. Both are IM cars. If I’m the company rep asked to use my judgment, what do I do?
Regards, Otto

Central Vermont boxcars

George Courtney
 

Did the Central Vermont receive any of Canadian National's 1929 boxcars with OB sides and Dreadnaught ends?  

Thanks,
George Courtney

Re: K4 Decals

Roger Huber
 

Lars,

Thanks!

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Saturday, May 30, 2020, 06:56:15 PM CDT, lars svanevik <lars.svanevik@...> wrote:


Roger,

You can find his catalog at k4 pacific when you google it.

Lars.

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] K4 Decals
 
Craig,

Where do you find his catalogue?

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Saturday, May 30, 2020, 04:26:37 PM CDT, Craig Wilson <agecompanyphotog@...> wrote:


I've bought a few sets to check them out for accuracy of sizes and styles.  Mixed report there although I noticed on his latest list that he had revised one set (for Ann Arbor RR cabooses) which I had critiqued as having the incorrect size compass heralds

The greatest advantage to these sets is that they can be obtained in a variety of sizes (scales) providing heralds, etc. for specific applications not available elsewhere.  The photo attached is a case in point.  I needed a very small DT&I  compass herald with the "Connections" slogan for use on the HO scale flatcars in the photo.  The K4 set for DT&I gondolas with coil hoods has two different sizes of the heralds (one for the sides of the gondola, another for the hoods themselves).  The HO decals are both too large to use on the flatcars but by purchasing the N-SCALE set I got the smaller compass heralds needed for the project.

His catalogue is worth perusing for that if nothing else.  Judge for yourself whether the decals are/are not too opaque when you look at the photo.  I thinks they look ok on these models.  They are quite thin and delicate and care must be used when applying them.

Craig Wilson

Re: K4 Decals

Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Roger, et al.,
 
I tried “k4 pacific” without success, but “k4 pacific decals” did the trick.  The website’s at: https://k4decals.com/.
 
Pax,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 

From: lars svanevik
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 7:55 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] K4 Decals
 
Roger,
 
You can find his catalog at k4 pacific when you google it.
 
Lars.

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] K4 Decals
 
Craig,
 
Where do you find his catalogue?
 
Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works
 
 
On Saturday, May 30, 2020, 04:26:37 PM CDT, Craig Wilson <agecompanyphotog@...> wrote:
 
 
I've bought a few sets to check them out for accuracy of sizes and styles.  Mixed report there although I noticed on his latest list that he had revised one set (for Ann Arbor RR cabooses) which I had critiqued as having the incorrect size compass heralds
 
The greatest advantage to these sets is that they can be obtained in a variety of sizes (scales) providing heralds, etc. for specific applications not available elsewhere.  The photo attached is a case in point.  I needed a very small DT&I  compass herald with the "Connections" slogan for use on the HO scale flatcars in the photo.  The K4 set for DT&I gondolas with coil hoods has two different sizes of the heralds (one for the sides of the gondola, another for the hoods themselves).  The HO decals are both too large to use on the flatcars but by purchasing the N-SCALE set I got the smaller compass heralds needed for the project.
 
His catalogue is worth perusing for that if nothing else.  Judge for yourself whether the decals are/are not too opaque when you look at the photo.  I thinks they look ok on these models.  They are quite thin and delicate and care must be used when applying them.
 
Craig Wilson
 

What is This Tank Body?

Tom Lawler
 

Hi Everyone,

My apologies for the poor photo. What are opinions on this tank body? It appears to be a radial course body and quite large capacity. More importantly if you wanted to model the body what might be used for the project?

Thank you for any assistance.

Regards,

Tom



Tom

Re: ATSF Mineral Brown

ottokroutil
 

Yes, clearly there were variations over time and place. My original question was in part a reaction to the recent release by Intermountain of Bx-37’s in N scale. Nicely done models, but...
Well, see pics below. Both are IM cars. If I’m the company rep asked to use my judgment, what do I do?
Regards, Otto

Re: K4 Decals

lars svanevik
 

Roger,

You can find his catalog at k4 pacific when you google it.

Lars.


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Roger Huber via groups.io <trainpainter@...>
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 4:24 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] K4 Decals
 
Craig,

Where do you find his catalogue?

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Saturday, May 30, 2020, 04:26:37 PM CDT, Craig Wilson <agecompanyphotog@...> wrote:


I've bought a few sets to check them out for accuracy of sizes and styles.  Mixed report there although I noticed on his latest list that he had revised one set (for Ann Arbor RR cabooses) which I had critiqued as having the incorrect size compass heralds

The greatest advantage to these sets is that they can be obtained in a variety of sizes (scales) providing heralds, etc. for specific applications not available elsewhere.  The photo attached is a case in point.  I needed a very small DT&I  compass herald with the "Connections" slogan for use on the HO scale flatcars in the photo.  The K4 set for DT&I gondolas with coil hoods has two different sizes of the heralds (one for the sides of the gondola, another for the hoods themselves).  The HO decals are both too large to use on the flatcars but by purchasing the N-SCALE set I got the smaller compass heralds needed for the project.

His catalogue is worth perusing for that if nothing else.  Judge for yourself whether the decals are/are not too opaque when you look at the photo.  I thinks they look ok on these models.  They are quite thin and delicate and care must be used when applying them.

Craig Wilson

Re: PRR X26C with both Superior door and 'Stanray' diagonal panel roof

brianleppert@att.net
 

I don't think Youngstown and Superior doors are interchangeable, as they use different door tracks.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV

Re: K4 Decals

Roger Huber
 

Craig,

Where do you find his catalogue?

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Saturday, May 30, 2020, 04:26:37 PM CDT, Craig Wilson <agecompanyphotog@...> wrote:


I've bought a few sets to check them out for accuracy of sizes and styles.  Mixed report there although I noticed on his latest list that he had revised one set (for Ann Arbor RR cabooses) which I had critiqued as having the incorrect size compass heralds

The greatest advantage to these sets is that they can be obtained in a variety of sizes (scales) providing heralds, etc. for specific applications not available elsewhere.  The photo attached is a case in point.  I needed a very small DT&I  compass herald with the "Connections" slogan for use on the HO scale flatcars in the photo.  The K4 set for DT&I gondolas with coil hoods has two different sizes of the heralds (one for the sides of the gondola, another for the hoods themselves).  The HO decals are both too large to use on the flatcars but by purchasing the N-SCALE set I got the smaller compass heralds needed for the project.

His catalogue is worth perusing for that if nothing else.  Judge for yourself whether the decals are/are not too opaque when you look at the photo.  I thinks they look ok on these models.  They are quite thin and delicate and care must be used when applying them.

Craig Wilson

Re: K4 Decals

O Fenton Wells
 

John I probably did.  Thanks


On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 5:26 PM Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
Fenton,

So... opaque is good... perhaps you mean transparent? 😉

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn AL


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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] K4 Decals
 
I've bought them but not used them yet.  When I asked the same question the answers I received was that the white is a bit opaque.
Fenton

On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 3:13 PM John Riddell <riddellj@...> wrote:
Has anyone had any experience with decals by K4 Decals ?

https://k4decals.com/

John Riddell



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Re: Tangent GATC 8,000 Gallon 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Car

Bill Welch
 

Dan Kohlberg offers General American decals for Tangent's 8K welded tank car: http://www.icgdecals.com/ga29.htm

I have the car but cannot find the decal I bought. . .

Bill Welch

Re: Tangent GATC 8,000 Gallon 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Car

Brian Carlson
 

Probbably do gatx in the future. 
I too have too many UTLX ACF cars.

Too bad that rumored X-3 from Exxactrail newer happened.  

Brian J. Carlson 

On May 30, 2020, at 6:34 PM, pennsylvania1954 <stevehprr@...> wrote:

From all of Elden's research here in the archives, wouldn't GATX be more common than UTLX on these General American cars? I have more UTLX than I should, thanks to the P2K offerings, and not enough GATX which was the largest fleet circa my 1953. I have GATX decals coming from Black Cat.
--
Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL