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Re: Oriental Models Inc

Tom Madden
 

On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 12:20 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
Mont Switzer wrote:
Some of the surplus were sold to a dealer "out east."   If you are from Indiana "out east" is defined an anywhere east of Ohio.
     Ah, yes. When I was a kid in Southern California, a classmate in elementary school was moving away, going "back east." Her family was relocating to Denver.
Works both ways. When Gail and I lived in New Jersey and were driving to Colorado for our two week vacations, a co-worker told me that his family was going to be vacationing "out west" too. When I asked where, he said Rockford, Illinois.

Tom Madden
 


Re: Oriental Models Inc

Tony Thompson
 

Mont Switzer wrote:

Some of the surplus were sold to a dealer "out east."   If you are from Indiana "out east" is defined an anywhere east of Ohio.

     Ah, yes. When I was a kid in Southern California, a classmate in elementary school was moving away, going "back east." Her family was relocating to Denver.

Tony Thompson




Re: Oriental Models Inc

Mont Switzer
 

Jared,

 

a and stute when combined is astute.  He was a good business man.

 

Mont


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] on behalf of Mont Switzer [MSwitzer@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2020 10:03 AM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Oriental Models Inc

Andy and all,

 

This reminds me of Overland Models venture into Monon Steam.  They ran 3 variations of the Monon's 4-6-2's at the same time.  It was over a $1,000 to acquire all three.  I think some guys didn't buy one because they could not get all 3.  They therefore didn't sell well and there was a surplus. 

 

Some of the surplus were sold to a dealer "out east."   If you are from Indiana "out east" is defined an anywhere east of Ohio.

 

Overland had a method of disposing of overruns and defective models. 

1.    clobber each one with a hammer

2.    dumpster

 

I friend of mind had what looked like a half a refrigerator box full of the hammer stricken models.  He occasionally unsoldered various pieces and parts that he needed or wanted for projects.

 

Long time brass collector Tom Marsh who started and ran Overland Models as an astute business man, whether we hobbyist's liked it or not.

 

Mont Switzer 

 

Mont Switzer


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] on behalf of Andy Carlson [midcentury@...]
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2020 8:45 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Oriental Models Inc

I have a memory which is a bit different than yours.

Some importer had a batch of passenger cars made and the builder built the industry labeled"over runs" which were extra cars beyond the ordered numbers. After several years, these cars were offered to Tony and he bought them for an attractive price. I bought a few different cars for $60 each back then. Cars were nice and featured cast trucks and not the coined crap which a lot of the Japanese built passenger cars came equipped with. Over runs were a common practice is these earlier days, and the Train Shop in Santa Clara (San Jose), CA. sold many brass items which were boxed in TS boxes and labeled thusly. I did not know that Samhongsa left business from a suffered fatal law suit. I thought he simply wanted to retire. There were so many "sons of Samhongsa" Korean builders at the time. Markets are in a state of flux all the time.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


On Friday, December 18, 2020, 12:42:56 PM PST, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Anthony Wenzel

After Oriental he started a little brass importer called AWE - Anthony Wenzel Enterprises - using stolen plans
from the Shoreham Shops (around the time when Samhongsa let Lionel use someone else's plans which led to
a major lawsuit by MTH that put Sam out of business). AWE did import a nice early welded Pullman box car.



On 12/18/2020 11:30 AM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io wrote:

IIRC (debatable) the owner of OMI was T Wenzel.  T was for Tony or Tom, I can’t remember which, though I think Tony.


Re: Frt Car Model Database

Bill Keene
 

I also have been using Excel for the roster of the freight cars in the layout fleet. This spreadsheet is searchable by category and major work to be done. 

Additionally, each freight car has a record “card” similar to the CCRs — CAR CONSTRUCTION RECORD — of the Pullman Company. A PDF of this Excel based CCR form is attached. 

This specific CCR is for an ATSF Sk-3 stock car that was purchased from Clark. A very nice car and one that is the standard that all of the other stock cars in the fleet are measured by. The fields are filled in with model source—in this case Westerfield—the build data and the paint data. The bottom portion is a Service Record that includes dates that the car was shopped—RIP’d—and what work was done. The Notes section included other data and a list of future shopping such as “needs to be weathered” or other repairs noticed while operating on the layout. This could include possible improvements to details. Of course, this latter bit would not be a requirement for a Clark-Built car. 😃

Cheers & Happy Modeling,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA



On Dec 19, 2020, at 8:49 AM, Jerry Michels <gjmichels53@...> wrote:

I have used Excel for 30 years at least.  Works for me.
Jerry Michels


Re: Oriental Models Inc

Jared Harper
 

What is a stute?

Jared Harper


Re: Frt Car Model Database

Jerry Michels
 

I have used Excel for 30 years at least.  Works for me.
Jerry Michels


Re: Oriental Models Inc

Mont Switzer
 

Andy and all,

 

This reminds me of Overland Models venture into Monon Steam.  They ran 3 variations of the Monon's 4-6-2's at the same time.  It was over a $1,000 to acquire all three.  I think some guys didn't buy one because they could not get all 3.  They therefore didn't sell well and there was a surplus. 

 

Some of the surplus were sold to a dealer "out east."   If you are from Indiana "out east" is defined an anywhere east of Ohio.

 

Overland had a method of disposing of overruns and defective models. 

1.    clobber each one with a hammer

2.    dumpster

 

I friend of mind had what looked like a half a refrigerator box full of the hammer stricken models.  He occasionally unsoldered various pieces and parts that he needed or wanted for projects.

 

Long time brass collector Tom Marsh who started and ran Overland Models as an astute business man, whether we hobbyist's liked it or not.

 

Mont Switzer 

 

Mont Switzer


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] on behalf of Andy Carlson [midcentury@...]
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2020 8:45 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Oriental Models Inc

I have a memory which is a bit different than yours.

Some importer had a batch of passenger cars made and the builder built the industry labeled"over runs" which were extra cars beyond the ordered numbers. After several years, these cars were offered to Tony and he bought them for an attractive price. I bought a few different cars for $60 each back then. Cars were nice and featured cast trucks and not the coined crap which a lot of the Japanese built passenger cars came equipped with. Over runs were a common practice is these earlier days, and the Train Shop in Santa Clara (San Jose), CA. sold many brass items which were boxed in TS boxes and labeled thusly. I did not know that Samhongsa left business from a suffered fatal law suit. I thought he simply wanted to retire. There were so many "sons of Samhongsa" Korean builders at the time. Markets are in a state of flux all the time.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


On Friday, December 18, 2020, 12:42:56 PM PST, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Anthony Wenzel

After Oriental he started a little brass importer called AWE - Anthony Wenzel Enterprises - using stolen plans
from the Shoreham Shops (around the time when Samhongsa let Lionel use someone else's plans which led to
a major lawsuit by MTH that put Sam out of business). AWE did import a nice early welded Pullman box car.



On 12/18/2020 11:30 AM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io wrote:

IIRC (debatable) the owner of OMI was T Wenzel.  T was for Tony or Tom, I can’t remember which, though I think Tony.


Re: NYC gondola brake details

James Brewer
 

I use this Xuron hard wire cutter for most piano wire cuts:

https://www.micromark.com/Xuron-Hard-Wire-Cutter

Jim Brewer


Re: Calling All Chemists - Somewhat OT

Thomas Evans
 

There are a number of outfits that sell archival supplies specially developed to not harm what's stored in them.
They might be worth checking out, but their stuff isn't cheap.
Here are just a couple of random ones:

https://www.gaylord.com/c/Preservation

http://www.shopbrodart.com/library-supplies/archival-supplies/Archival-Conservation-Supplies/

I've also seen web pages dedicated to the art of archival preservation, and it might also be worth checking out some of them.
(Don't now have any examples to post)

Tom E.


Oriental Models Inc

Andy Carlson
 

I have a memory which is a bit different than yours.

Some importer had a batch of passenger cars made and the builder built the industry labeled"over runs" which were extra cars beyond the ordered numbers. After several years, these cars were offered to Tony and he bought them for an attractive price. I bought a few different cars for $60 each back then. Cars were nice and featured cast trucks and not the coined crap which a lot of the Japanese built passenger cars came equipped with. Over runs were a common practice is these earlier days, and the Train Shop in Santa Clara (San Jose), CA. sold many brass items which were boxed in TS boxes and labeled thusly. I did not know that Samhongsa left business from a suffered fatal law suit. I thought he simply wanted to retire. There were so many "sons of Samhongsa" Korean builders at the time. Markets are in a state of flux all the time.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


On Friday, December 18, 2020, 12:42:56 PM PST, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Anthony Wenzel

After Oriental he started a little brass importer called AWE - Anthony Wenzel Enterprises - using stolen plans
from the Shoreham Shops (around the time when Samhongsa let Lionel use someone else's plans which led to
a major lawsuit by MTH that put Sam out of business). AWE did import a nice early welded Pullman box car.



On 12/18/2020 11:30 AM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io wrote:

IIRC (debatable) the owner of OMI was T Wenzel.  T was for Tony or Tom, I can’t remember which, though I think Tony.

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Re: NYC gondola brake details

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

I have found the New York Central Society to be very gracious and generous in providing plans for NYC equipment. Several years ago they helped .me with the brake layout of the NYC USRA all steel box  car.  This was totally differen from.the Westerfieldi instructions and other articles.

Bill Pardie



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Re: Retainer Valves

Dave Lawler
 

Thank you Brian. Just what I needed and the price is right.

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Retainer Valves

Jack Burgess
 

Dave…

 

Here is a photo of one from a Yosemite Valley Railroad wood stock car (with KC air brakes). It measures 6” from the bottom of the nut to the top of the casting.

 

Jack Burgess

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Lawler
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2020 2:31 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Retainer Valves

 

Good day all,
Does anyone make a HO scale retainer valve casting  for one that was in common usage for our (steam era) period?
I found a bulk pack on Shapeways and I wonder if they are correct and appropriate?
The ones from Precision Scale don't look right to me??
Thank you for any advise,
Dave Lawler


Re: NYC gondola brake details

Jerry Hamsmith
 

Bill and all -

Thanks very much for the kind words regarding the train line.  However, the photo was of the one modeled by Ed Rethwisch.  He used a #70 bit and drilled the holes at a shallow angle.  I do occasionally include train lines on my models, but did not in this particular build.  Also, much of the upcoming description - the complex brake system - follows Ed's excellent modeling of the actual AB brake drawings.

Jerry Hamsmith


Re: GATX Tank Cars (1960)

George
 

Interesting.  I don't see any rails underneath these cars.

George York


Re: Oriental Models Inc

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello friends,
 
Northernscalemodels has a bunch of those PS-0 box cars from AWE and sells them VERY cheaply (for a brass car):
 
https://www.northernscale.com/WebListFreight.html
 
(I have one, too, but of course there is some work necessary. Better trucks, and the doors are poorly done, unfortunately.)
 
BTW, the abbreviation "OMI" never was used in connection with ORIENTAL LIMITED but ALWAYS with OVERLAND MODELS.
 
Many greetings
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
Gesendet: Freitag, 18. Dezember 2020 um 21:42 Uhr
Von: "Tim O'Connor" <timboconnor@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] Oriental Models Inc

Anthony Wenzel

After Oriental he started a little brass importer called AWE - Anthony Wenzel Enterprises - using stolen plans
from the Shoreham Shops (around the time when Samhongsa let Lionel use someone else's plans which led to
a major lawsuit by MTH that put Sam out of business). AWE did import a nice early welded Pullman box car.



On 12/18/2020 11:30 AM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io wrote:

IIRC (debatable) the owner of OMI was T Wenzel.  T was for Tony or Tom, I can’t remember which, though I think Tony.

 

Does anyone have contact information for him?

 

Schuyler


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: NYC gondola brake details

Dennis Storzek
 

On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 02:06 PM, David Soderblom wrote:
How do you cut the piano wire without ruining perfectly good pliers. And do you angle the end to make a “bit” out of it?
Dremel tool with an abrasive disk, same as used to grind the flat. Someone mentioned Tichy phosphor bronze wire. I never tried it, but I bet that would be stiff enough and stay sharp long enough.

Dennis


Re: Retainer Valves

Brian Carlson
 

Just announced this month. Yarmouth models. 



Brian J. Carlson 

On Dec 18, 2020, at 5:31 PM, Dave Lawler <davelawler@...> wrote:

Good day all,
Does anyone make a HO scale retainer valve casting  for one that was in common usage for our (steam era) period?
I found a bulk pack on Shapeways and I wonder if they are correct and appropriate?
The ones from Precision Scale don't look right to me??
Thank you for any advise,
Dave Lawler


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] B&O wagon top covered hoppers

proto48er
 

Elden -

Thank you very much for your reply!  (I was away from my computer yesterday, so am late in thanking you!)

I am down in south Texas.  There is a photo in a 1943 issue of Oil & Gas Journal that shows one of these covered hoppers at a petroleum refinery in Corpus Christi, Texas.  So they did come to south Texas!  It was carrying catalyst for the fluid catalytic cracking unit at the refinery.  My I&I model has the wood runningboards and is painted in accordance with Jim's painting instructions for the car number that was factory painted on it.  I had looked in vain for prototype photos of these cars (only found one of the N-31 test car).

Thanks again!!

A.T. Kott


Retainer Valves

Dave Lawler
 

Good day all,
Does anyone make a HO scale retainer valve casting  for one that was in common usage for our (steam era) period?
I found a bulk pack on Shapeways and I wonder if they are correct and appropriate?
The ones from Precision Scale don't look right to me??
Thank you for any advise,
Dave Lawler

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