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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Boxcar With Roof Hatches

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Jeff, and all;

A fertilizer sludge car was, unfortunately, exactly what it sounds like: an old car on its last legs, converted to haul liquid feces waste from the fertilizer process, lined and coated inside with tar, with roof hatches and bottom outlets. I remember a few of these from my childhood, rolling by, dripping profusely, and driving me away from trackside.

The box car version of an offal car, with a different, but equally vile aroma.

Just the thing for a layout, with "Real Smell technology".

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jeffrey White
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 12:31 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Boxcar With Roof Hatches

The IC had fertilizer sludge cars (I have no idea what fertilizer sludge is) they converted from SS boxcars they acquired from the Tennessee Coal and Iron Railroad. I haven't got a photo but the diagram sheet says 4 roof hatches and plywood lining.

Jeff White

Alma, IL


On 10/30/2019 9:16 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:


Bob

A quick scan of the hard drive shows ACL, ATSF, BAR, BN, CN, CG, CP, D&H, DTI, EL, GN,
HS, LV, MILW, MONON, MP, N&W, NS, OAR, PC, PRR, RI, SAL, SCL, SOU, TH&B, UP, and WABASH
all had box cars with roof hatches.

And that's not a complete list. Tony mentioned the SP, too.

Tim



On 10/30/2019 5:51 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:


Boxcar With Roof Hatches

I've seen a few photos of boxcars with roof hatches for loading such commodities as aluminum dross, cement, various clays, lime and spent grain.

All of the photos I've seen are associated with shippers in the Southeast and Midwest.

Would such boxcars have served shippers in the Southwest to any degree?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Boxcar With Roof Hatches

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Gang;

I looked through my materials and only found two instances on the PRR:

X29K sub-class with round roof hatches; apparently in loose flour service, and,

X31A small number of random cars in coal tar chip service, like the attached I modeled.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jeffrey White
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 12:31 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Boxcar With Roof Hatches

The IC had fertilizer sludge cars (I have no idea what fertilizer sludge is) they converted from SS boxcars they acquired from the Tennessee Coal and Iron Railroad. I haven't got a photo but the diagram sheet says 4 roof hatches and plywood lining.

Jeff White

Alma, IL


On 10/30/2019 9:16 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:


Bob

A quick scan of the hard drive shows ACL, ATSF, BAR, BN, CN, CG, CP, D&H, DTI, EL, GN,
HS, LV, MILW, MONON, MP, N&W, NS, OAR, PC, PRR, RI, SAL, SCL, SOU, TH&B, UP, and WABASH
all had box cars with roof hatches.

And that's not a complete list. Tony mentioned the SP, too.

Tim



On 10/30/2019 5:51 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:


Boxcar With Roof Hatches

I've seen a few photos of boxcars with roof hatches for loading such commodities as aluminum dross, cement, various clays, lime and spent grain.

All of the photos I've seen are associated with shippers in the Southeast and Midwest.

Would such boxcars have served shippers in the Southwest to any degree?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: Boxcar With Roof Hatches

Jeffrey White
 

The IC had fertilizer sludge cars (I have no idea what fertilizer sludge is) they converted from SS boxcars they acquired from the Tennessee Coal and Iron Railroad.  I haven't got a photo but the diagram sheet says 4 roof hatches and plywood lining.

Jeff White

Alma, IL

On 10/30/2019 9:16 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
Bob

A quick scan of the hard drive shows ACL, ATSF, BAR, BN, CN, CG, CP, D&H, DTI, EL, GN,
HS, LV, MILW, MONON, MP, N&W, NS, OAR, PC, PRR, RI, SAL, SCL, SOU, TH&B, UP, and WABASH
all had box cars with roof hatches.

And that's not a complete list. Tony mentioned the SP, too.

Tim



On 10/30/2019 5:51 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:

Boxcar With Roof Hatches

I've seen a few photos of boxcars with roof hatches for loading such commodities as aluminum dross, cement, various clays, lime and spent grain.

All of the photos I've seen are associated with shippers in the Southeast and Midwest.

Would such boxcars have served shippers in the Southwest to any degree?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: Boxcar With Roof Hatches

mopacfirst
 

Add T&P, for maybe 5 cars.

Ron Merrick

Re: Boxcar With Roof Hatches

Craig Wilson
 

Beyond the scope of this list but . . . these cars relate to the subject line and the cars have built dates prior to 1960.

In 1965 Canadian National modified 40-foot boxcars with roof hatches for potash loading (Melville Sask).  These cars were routed to smaller co-ops and elevators (including in the US) that could not handle the larger 100-ton covered hoppers.  The rectangular hatches were underneath the running boards second panel in from the ends.

CN 440000-440199:  10-0 IH cars, NSC-2 ends, rectangular panel roof, 6-foot doors, blt 1945
Photo on p. 6 of Canadian Rail Car Pictorial, Vol 2 A, by Richard Yaremko

CN 442000-442099:  10-6 IH cars, NSC-3 ends, combination roof*, 8-foot doors, blt 1957
Photo on p. 26 of Canadian Rail Car Pictorial, Vol 2 A, by Richard Yaremko
*Interesting looking roof:  center panels NSC style (look like PS bowtie panels), second panel in from the ends rectangular shape and have hatches under the running board, outermost panels blank.  Elgin Car Shops (Yarmouth) makes a model of the unmodified version of this car.

Captions in the books indicate that these car were in service 1965-1990.

Craig Wilson

Re: There's the OMI Wabash steel dd car...eh NOT

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Fred this car was converted from the double  door auto car.  I have both cars.  The Overland car was well done except for the underframe.  After Lysle last year I drove down to the Monticello Rail Museum where they had an auto car.  Wouldn't you know that my camera battery was dead when I got there.  Did get some photos on my phone.

I questioned the single door version a few years ago on this list and got a great photo from  one of the members.

I have more information at home but am currently having my morning coffee in San Francisco.  Will be home on the weekend if you need any more information.

Bill Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Fred Jansz <fred@...>
Date: 10/31/19 8:04 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] There's the OMI Wabash steel dd car...eh NOT

Received my OMI 'Wabash' steel dd boxcar today...NOT.
This 'wooden' ss beauty was in the box.
It reminds me of something, but not a steel Wabash dd car.
Any idea what it might be?
regards
Fred Jansz

Re: There's the OMI Wabash steel dd car...eh NOT

Fred Jansz
 

Thank you Ben! It's a 76000-series car indeed.
According to BT, OMI made a few variations, probably the previous owner grabbed the wrong box.
Now let's see if I can score that steel dd car too!
regards
Fred Jansz
(© picture Brasstrains)

Re: New Manufacturer

Jon Miller
 

On 10/30/2019 7:10 AM, Michael Gross wrote:
Among them, a styrene version of the ATSF Bx 11 — Bx 13 single sheathed box car series.

Now that would be a winner!

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
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SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
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Re: Chicagoland RPM Handouts

Donald B. Valentine
 

Are these supposed to be downloadable so they can be printed if desired? If so that does not seem to be working.

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: There's the OMI Wabash steel dd car...eh NOT

Paul Doggett
 

Definitely not SP 

Paul Doggett 


On 31 Oct 2019, at 15:04, Fred Jansz <fred@...> wrote:

Received my OMI 'Wabash' steel dd boxcar today...NOT.
This 'wooden' ss beauty was in the box.
It reminds me of something, but not a steel Wabash dd car.
Any idea what it might be?
regards
Fred Jansz

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Re: There's the OMI Wabash steel dd car...eh NOT

Benjamin Hom
 

Fred Jansz asked:
"Received my OMI 'Wabash' steel dd boxcar today...NOT.  This 'wooden' SS beauty was in the box.  It reminds me of something, but not a steel Wabash DD car.  Any idea what it might be?"

Notes from Chet French, posted on the Steam Era Freight Cars website:
" In 1941, the Wabash converted 239 of the 46000 series auto cars to 6' door cars and numbered them 76000-76238.  The roster showed 93 car remaining as of July 1, 1957.  They looked similar to the 74000 series 6' door cars converted from the 40000 series auto cars."


Ben Hom

Re: There's the OMI Wabash steel dd car...eh NOT

Joseph
 

Looks SPish.   Maybe a B-50-??   5-5-5 ends tho....
Joe Binish 

On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 10:05 AM Fred Jansz <fred@...> wrote:
Received my OMI 'Wabash' steel dd boxcar today...NOT.
This 'wooden' ss beauty was in the box.
It reminds me of something, but not a steel Wabash dd car.
Any idea what it might be?
regards
Fred Jansz

There's the OMI Wabash steel dd car...eh NOT

Fred Jansz
 

Received my OMI 'Wabash' steel dd boxcar today...NOT.
This 'wooden' ss beauty was in the box.
It reminds me of something, but not a steel Wabash dd car.
Any idea what it might be?
regards
Fred Jansz

Re: Boxcar With Roof Hatches

Armand Premo
 

Can we also add those with hopper bottoms.Armand Premo

On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 6:57 AM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:
B&O converted some of their USRA single-sheathed boxcars with roof hatches in the late 1920s.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On October 30, 2019 at 8:16 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Bob

A quick scan of the hard drive shows ACL, ATSF, BAR, BN, CN, CG, CP, D&H, DTI, EL, GN,
HS, LV, MILW, MONON, MP, N&W, NS, OAR, PC, PRR, RI, SAL, SCL, SOU, TH&B, UP, and WABASH
all had box cars with roof hatches.

And that's not a complete list. Tony mentioned the SP, too.

Tim



On 10/30/2019 5:51 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:

Boxcar With Roof Hatches

I've seen a few photos of boxcars with roof hatches for loading such commodities as aluminum dross, cement, various clays, lime and spent grain.

All of the photos I've seen are associated with shippers in the Southeast and Midwest.

Would such boxcars have served shippers in the Southwest to any degree?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

 

Re: RPM Chicagoland summary

Lester Breuer
 

Thank You Eric for your time and effort to take and create the 120 photo gallery.  Well done.
Lester Breuer

Chicagoland RPM Handouts

gtws00
 

Mike Skibbe provided a link to the 2019 Chicagland RPM Handouts


Thanks to Mike and his crew for an excellent event

George Toman

Re: OPEN LOAD TIE DOWNS

Todd Horton
 

The CG cars didn’t get roof hatches till after the 1963 takeover by Southern, well past the era of this group’s time era.   


On Oct 30, 2019, at 10:40 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE <pardiew001@...> wrote:



In a discussion last week magnet wire was mentioned as a good candidate for tie downs on open loads  Does anyone have a source for small quantities for this item?  The spools that I see would last till the next milainium.

Bill Pardie


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Date: 10/30/19 7:16 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Boxcar With Roof Hatches

Bob

A quick scan of the hard drive shows ACL, ATSF, BAR, BN, CN, CG, CP, D&H, DTI, EL, GN,
HS, LV, MILW, MONON, MP, N&W, NS, OAR, PC, PRR, RI, SAL, SCL, SOU, TH&B, UP, and WABASH
all had box cars with roof hatches.

And that's not a complete list. Tony mentioned the SP, too.

Tim



On 10/30/2019 5:51 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:

Boxcar With Roof Hatches

I've seen a few photos of boxcars with roof hatches for loading such commodities as aluminum dross, cement, various clays, lime and spent grain.

All of the photos I've seen are associated with shippers in the Southeast and Midwest.

Would such boxcars have served shippers in the Southwest to any degree?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Boxcar With Roof Hatches

Eric Hansmann
 

B&O converted some of their USRA single-sheathed boxcars with roof hatches in the late 1920s.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On October 30, 2019 at 8:16 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Bob

A quick scan of the hard drive shows ACL, ATSF, BAR, BN, CN, CG, CP, D&H, DTI, EL, GN,
HS, LV, MILW, MONON, MP, N&W, NS, OAR, PC, PRR, RI, SAL, SCL, SOU, TH&B, UP, and WABASH
all had box cars with roof hatches.

And that's not a complete list. Tony mentioned the SP, too.

Tim



On 10/30/2019 5:51 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:

Boxcar With Roof Hatches

I've seen a few photos of boxcars with roof hatches for loading such commodities as aluminum dross, cement, various clays, lime and spent grain.

All of the photos I've seen are associated with shippers in the Southeast and Midwest.

Would such boxcars have served shippers in the Southwest to any degree?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

 

Re: Boxcar With Roof Hatches

Donald B. Valentine
 

And the Central Vermont can be added to that list as well for a very small number of 40 ft. boxcars that had
roof hatches added for grain shipment.

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: Wabash auto boxcar

Fred Jansz
 

Thanks for the hint Eric.
Not exactly the same car, but will do fine I suppose.
best regards,
Fred Jansz