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Re: Coupler Mounting Screws

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I’ve not bought new Kadees in some time, but quite a while ago, I bought some brass 2-56 screws from McMaster-Carr that have a very flat head, < 1/16” thick.  They are slotted head, unfortunately, but I don’t think this thin a head COULD be done in a cross-point version.

 

They were not expensive at all, and M-C service meant that I had them in my hand second day later.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Wayne Cohen
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2020 1:05 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Coupler Mounting Screws

 

In the distant past, I tried Kadee’s 2-56 Delrin screws to mount couplers.  Many of the heads snapped at off in normal use and I quit using them. Slot or Phillips head - same results

The 2-56 screws Kadee is now supplying with #178 (and other?) couplers have a slightly wider and flatter appearing head.  Have any of you tried them?  If so, how have they worked out?

Thanks,

Wayne Cohen


Re: Pullman Standard cushioned underframe question for PS-1 cars

Tim O'Connor
 


Thank you Ike! But any chance of seeing a higher resolution drawing? I have the book on 50 foot Southern
box cars but missed out on the 40 foot cars.



On 7/7/2020 9:15 PM, George Eichelberger wrote:
Although the Southern did not buy any, P-S provided information on their 40’ CUF cars, including the tests using one or two WP cars (the first with CUF?). Their first load was a shipment of boxed wine from CA to the east coast. The P-S/WP report on the trip was very successful with little or no damage to the shipment.

SF-1485 (from P-S dwg 532-F-56-A) dated 4-3-59, shows the CUF underframe arrangement.

Ike

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Rails and Hoists for Spools of Rayon

tmkprr1954
 

I found I had left off the X29Bs which had 34 cars equipped to handle Rayon Spools, so the total is 68 cars equipped this way on the PRR.

Tom Kane
Modeling PRR in 1954 (ish)
PRRT&HS 8188
Purcelleville, VA


Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Tony Thompson
 

R J Dial wrote:

I've seen pics of BAR and B&M boxcars in LA and Seattle. Stuck in my mind as always wondered what would be shipped from corner to corner of the US like that. They may have been WWII photos, but can't recall for sure.

     You're assuming they were loaded by the home road and sent to the West Coast. More likely they were loaded SOMEWHERE in the U.S. and sent there. For example, the car in Seattle might have come from LA or Houston. Car Service Rules would not encourage westward movements of those cars, of course, but after WW II, the AAR surveys found that only about 2/3 of car movements were in accord with those Rules, so there is a lot of scope for "exceptions," though they really are not even exceptions.

Tony Thompson




Re: Coupler Mounting Screws

Benjamin Hom
 

Wayne Cohen wrote:
"In the distant past, I tried Kadee’s 2-56 Delrin screws to mount couplers.  Many of the heads snapped off in normal use and I quit using them. Slot or Phillips head - same results."

Slot or Phillips is irrelevant - why use plastic screws if electrical shorts are not an issue?  Use metal screws instead.


Ben Hom


Coupler Mounting Screws

Wayne Cohen
 
Edited

In the distant past, I tried Kadee’s 2-56 Delrin screws to mount couplers.  Many of the heads snapped off in normal use and I quit using them. Slot or Phillips head - same results

The 2-56 screws Kadee is now supplying with #178 (and other?) couplers have a slightly wider and flatter appearing head.  Have any of you tried them?  If so, how have they worked out?

Thanks,

Wayne Cohen


Rails and Hoists for Spools of Rayon

tmkprr1954
 

Good Day,
I recently acquired my first ORER (January 1953) and set out to put the PRR section into a spreadsheet.
I found that 31 boxcars (X31A and X37A & B) had a note that they were equipped with "Rails and Hoists for Spools of Rayon".
Does anyone on the list have any references to the users of these specially equipped cars or pictures of the equipment?
I will review the other major carriers to see if there are equivalently equipped cars.

Not a large quantity o cars, but it caught my eye!

Regards,

Tom Kane
Modeling PRR in 1954 (ish)
PRRT&HS 8188
Purcelleville, VA


Photo: Carbon Black Car?

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Carbon Black Car?

A 1955 photo from the Oklahoma Historical Society:

https://gateway.okhistory.org/ark:/67531/metadc193102/?q=train

Click on the photo to enlarge it and use the Zoom button to enlarge it further.

The covered hopper appears to be a carbon black car.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: SOO Boxcar

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: SOO Boxcar

An undated photo from the Oklahoma Historical Society:

https://gateway.okhistory.org/ark:/67531/metadc1120289/?q=railroad

Click on the photo to enlarge it and use the Zoom button to enlarge it further.

Possible car number is 40388.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: MP End-Door Boxcar 45396

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: MP End-Door Boxcar 45396

A 1955 photo from the Oklahoma Historical Society:

https://gateway.okhistory.org/ark:/67531/metadc221689/?q=train

Click on the photo to enlarge it and use the Zoom button to enlarge it further.

Couplers included, trucks optional.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Richard Townsend
 

Quite true. But to stimulate RJ's imagination, a couple of possibilities are specialty mechanical equipment of some kind, made only by a manufacturer in New England, or specialty paper made only in a New England paper mill.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Carlson via groups.io <prrk41361@...>
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Sent: Wed, Jul 8, 2020 8:47 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

A B&M boxcar in Seattle or LA doesn’t mean the contents were from an industry on the B&M.

Boxcars were quite free roaming as has been discussed on the list for years.  

Brian J. Carlson 

On Jul 8, 2020, at 10:59 AM, radiodial868 <radiodial57@...> wrote:

I've seen pics of BAR and B&M boxcars in LA and Seattle. Stuck in my mind as always wondered what would be shipped from corner to corner of the US like that. They may have been WWII photos, but can't recall for sure.
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RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Re: a string of SAL stock cars

Andy Miller
 

I can’t see the roof, but from the foto these cars seem very similar to PRR K8s – Pratt truss sides and horizontally slatted doors.   For many years PRR was a major stock holder in the SAL, so it may not be a coincidence. For HO SAL modelers, F&C makes a K8.

 

Regards,

 

Andy Miller

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 8:27 PM
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] a string of SAL stock cars

 

Hi List Members,

 

Image of a string of SAL stock cars, SAL 7904 closest to camera, in 1940

 

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 


Re: Photo: Bailed Cotton On Flat Cars

Bob Chaparro
 

Tony Long commented, "That first car is a CRI&P car that might be from  Peninsular Car Co. with CRI&P designed swing motion trucks.

Notice that telegraph poles are painted white on the upper and not the bottom."
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Brian Carlson
 

Not intending to be rude. 

go to the search box on Groups.io ad start with "Gilbert-Nelson"

You can branch off from there. 

Brian Carlson 


Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Rick Naylor
 

That is much more healpful, I have followed this group for many years and I would have only known to search for routing. But I'll look at the other listings as well.


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bruce Smith <smithbf@...>
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 11:02 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida
 
Rick,

The thing is, it has been discussed repeatedly so it is all over the archives… not in just one location. For starters, if you want to try to find the information, search “Boxcar distribution” or “Nelson Gilbert”. Pull up a chair and a beverage…

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

On Jul 8, 2020, at 10:56 AM, Rick Naylor <thehobbystop@...> wrote:

I think it is more helpful to guide new members to the discussion rather than be so rude as to tell someone it was discussed years ago, and not tell them where!


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Brian Carlson via groups.io<prrk41361@...>
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 10:47 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida
 
A B&M boxcar in Seattle or LA doesn’t mean the contents were from an industry on the B&M.

Boxcars were quite free roaming as has been discussed on the list for years.  

Brian J. Carlson 

On Jul 8, 2020, at 10:59 AM, radiodial868 <radiodial57@...> wrote:

I've seen pics of BAR and B&M boxcars in LA and Seattle. Stuck in my mind as always wondered what would be shipped from corner to corner of the US like that. They may have been WWII photos, but can't recall for sure.
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RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Re: fixing yellowed decals

Rick Naylor
 

Try Crystal Clear sold in Walmart and Lumber supply. Decal carrier is Lacquer and an over coat of new lacquer should un-yellow the decal. If it is a Walthers it is usually the paper.


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Rob & Bev Manley <robev1630@...>
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 1:09 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] fixing yellowed decals
 
Tim, 
This is an old vintage plastic modeler trick. Once again we learn from our military brothers.


Rob Manley
"Better modeling through personal embarrassment"


On Tuesday, July 7, 2020, 04:24:17 PM CDT, John Sykes III via groups.io <johnsykesiii@...> wrote:


Sometimes it works and other times, it makes things worse.  Instead of yellow, it turns the decal brown.  This is an attempted fix of last resort.  Probably has to do with the formula of the lacquer in the decal backing.

-- John


Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Bruce Smith
 

Rick,

The thing is, it has been discussed repeatedly so it is all over the archives… not in just one location. For starters, if you want to try to find the information, search “Boxcar distribution” or “Nelson Gilbert”. Pull up a chair and a beverage…

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

On Jul 8, 2020, at 10:56 AM, Rick Naylor <thehobbystop@...> wrote:

I think it is more helpful to guide new members to the discussion rather than be so rude as to tell someone it was discussed years ago, and not tell them where!


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Brian Carlson via groups.io<prrk41361@...>
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 10:47 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida
 
A B&M boxcar in Seattle or LA doesn’t mean the contents were from an industry on the B&M.

Boxcars were quite free roaming as has been discussed on the list for years.  

Brian J. Carlson 

On Jul 8, 2020, at 10:59 AM, radiodial868 <radiodial57@...> wrote:

I've seen pics of BAR and B&M boxcars in LA and Seattle. Stuck in my mind as always wondered what would be shipped from corner to corner of the US like that. They may have been WWII photos, but can't recall for sure.
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RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Dave Parker
 

On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 08:47 AM, Brian Carlson wrote:
Boxcars were quite free roaming as has been discussed on the list for years.  
I would agree with that statement if you added the caveat "From WWII onward,....".

We've discussed this as well, i.e., the onset of national pooling during the war, and the subsequent relevance of the Gilbert-Nelson approach to fleet composition.
 
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Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Rick Naylor
 

I think it is more helpful to guide new members to the discussion rather than be so rude as to tell someone it was discussed years ago, and not tell them where!


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Brian Carlson via groups.io <prrk41361@...>
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 10:47 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida
 
A B&M boxcar in Seattle or LA doesn’t mean the contents were from an industry on the B&M.

Boxcars were quite free roaming as has been discussed on the list for years.  

Brian J. Carlson 

On Jul 8, 2020, at 10:59 AM, radiodial868 <radiodial57@...> wrote:

I've seen pics of BAR and B&M boxcars in LA and Seattle. Stuck in my mind as always wondered what would be shipped from corner to corner of the US like that. They may have been WWII photos, but can't recall for sure.
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RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Brian Carlson
 

A B&M boxcar in Seattle or LA doesn’t mean the contents were from an industry on the B&M.

Boxcars were quite free roaming as has been discussed on the list for years.  

Brian J. Carlson 

On Jul 8, 2020, at 10:59 AM, radiodial868 <radiodial57@...> wrote:

I've seen pics of BAR and B&M boxcars in LA and Seattle. Stuck in my mind as always wondered what would be shipped from corner to corner of the US like that. They may have been WWII photos, but can't recall for sure.
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RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA