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Re: Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

radiodial868
 

I've seen pics of BAR and B&M boxcars in LA and Seattle. Stuck in my mind as always wondered what would be shipped from corner to corner of the US like that. They may have been WWII photos, but can't recall for sure.
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RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Re: Pullman Standard cushioned underframe question for PS-1 cars

George Eichelberger
 

Brent:

Thanks for the feedback!

To post or email a drawing, I convert the hi res tiff we make in the scan to a jpg to limit its size. If you cannot read the small dimensions on the jpg version, let me know and I’ll post the full size tiff version where folks can get to it.

Because the Southern was such a big P-S customer, and SRHA has virtually all of the Southern and CofG drawings, on hard copy and microfilm, we have many different freight and passenger car drawings from P-S, ACF, etc. In addition to the drawings, the archives also contain specs, engineering and mech dept files on the cars’ purchased and many (!) builders and in-service photos.

The SRHA archives also contain the ACL/SALHS ACL, SAL, SCL, CRR microfilm. Larry Goolsby obtained the entire CSX microfilm collection several years ago, because of lack of space in their archives at Rockt Mt., NC depot, they reside in the SRHA archives at TVRM in Chattanooga. The PRR, B&O/C&O and L&N decks have been sent to those historical groups.

Ike


On Jul 8, 2020, at 5:29 AM, Brent Greer <studegator@...> wrote:

Thanks Ike !

Brent 

Dr. J. Brent Greer

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That didn't work, I'll try to upload the drawing here...

Ike


Re: An image of ACL ventilated boxcars

David Wiggs
 

A buddy of mine built the car from ACL blueprints, so I assume he was correct in building the screen door on the left.  The attached photo also shows it on the left, with the solid door closing the doorway.  BTW, he is the curator at the Hamlet Museum in the old SAL depot and was one of those who constructed the new diarama of the Silver Meteor in 2-rail O-Scale.  A photo he provided is attached; a very nice job indeed.
 
 


Re: Pullman Standard cushioned underframe question for PS-1 cars

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Tim and Friends,

Actually there were two different underframes applied to WP 1952 and 1953, apparently for evaluation.

I have the general arrangement drawing in the book FREIGHT CAR DIAGRAMS, BOXCAR, WESTERN PACIFIC RAILROAD CO. (a reprint of WP general arrangement drawings published by the Feather River Railroad Museum at Portola many years ago). Just the diagram for 1952 is included. It is a general diagram used also for their 7' PS-1 cars, though the dimensions given are for 1952 which had a 6' door. The length over end sills was 40' 8 1/4". The length over the strikers was 43' 3", giving a 15 3/8" extension of the underframe. No data on the underframe itself is given. This car was initially leased from Pullman, but was purchased by the WP in 1960.

WP 1953 was also leased from Pullman, but was later wrecked (thus it is not in the diagram book cited above). A black-and-white photo is found on page 72 of Patrick C. Dorin's WESTERN PACIFIC LOCOMOTIVES AND CARS [v. 1]. It shows solid orange sides, black lettering, and a silver feather taking up most of the car side to the left of the door. Presumably 1952 used the same paint scheme, and this scheme seems only to have been used for these two cars (a similar scheme with a silver feather all the way across the car was used for a small number of 50' single-door PS-1s, also with cushion underframes).

WP 1952 and 1953 were the only WP 40' PS-1 boxcars with 6' doors. 

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆



On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 5:13 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

I will guess that it's the same 10" cushioning applied to a tiny number of Western Pacific box cars (e.g. WP 1953).

These really early cushion underframes have not been documented much in the hobby literature. The cars were built
before the SP-SRI "Hydracushion" design, or the Pullman "Hydroframe", or Evans, or other cushioned underframe designs.

I modeled the WP car with an extended coupler pocket. :-)   What else is there to do when there is no drawing?

Tim O'


On 7/7/2020 5:01 PM, Brent Greer wrote:

Friend Jim Brewer recently shared some information on various lots of PS-1 boxcars ordered by the Norfolk and Western.  One of these was for a group of only 5 cars, identified in the data as PS Lot 8160D  for five cars with the cushioned under frames.  The N&W car number series is 53995-53999 and the only information on the diagram is "sliding sill 10" rubber cushion."   My question for the knowledgeable experts in our group is "What type of cushioned under frames were these?"   Did PS have their own proprietary system, or was this something like a Duryea under frame?   And of course, I am interested in how best to model this under frame.


Any and all help appreciated,

Brent


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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Re: Pullman Standard cushioned underframe question for PS-1 cars

Brent Greer
 

Thanks Ike !

Brent 

Dr. J. Brent Greer


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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Pullman Standard cushioned underframe question for PS-1 cars
 
That didn't work, I'll try to upload the drawing here...

Ike


Re: fixing yellowed decals

Rob & Bev Manley
 

Tim, 
This is an old vintage plastic modeler trick. Once again we learn from our military brothers.


Rob Manley
"Better modeling through personal embarrassment"


On Tuesday, July 7, 2020, 04:24:17 PM CDT, John Sykes III via groups.io <johnsykesiii@...> wrote:


Sometimes it works and other times, it makes things worse.  Instead of yellow, it turns the decal brown.  This is an attempted fix of last resort.  Probably has to do with the formula of the lacquer in the decal backing.

-- John


Re: An image of ACL ventilated boxcars

Dennis Storzek
 

I think a better way to phrase the question would be: "What determined whether the solid door was on the right or left?" Examples of both exist, but I've never paid enough attention to determine whether certain roads had a preference, or if it varied over time.

Dennis Storzek


Re: N&W B-5 Boxcars 48000-48999 and 49500-49999

william darnaby
 

Thank you, Jeff.  That is more information than I had before and it narrows it down.  The instructions have only one photo of a 49500 series car and the handbrake is in profile.  Clearly not Ajax but I am thinking Equipco.

Bill Darnaby

On Monday, July 6, 2020, 02:20:37 PM CDT, Jeff Coleman <traininsp@...> wrote:


Bill

The B-5 were equipped with Ajax, Equipco & Universal Hand Brakes but I don't have car numbers.

Jeff Coleman

Virus-free. www.avg.com

On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 2:06 PM william darnaby <wdarnaby@...> wrote:
Does anybody on the list know the breakdown of handbrake type on these cars?  The photos available to me show some Ajax but I see others that I cannot make out.

Thanks,
Bill Darnaby



Re: An image of ACL ventilated boxcars

Benjamin Hom
 

Ray Hutchison asked:
"Looking at a number of early photographs, what would determine whether the door would open to the right (which we think of as being correct) or opened to the left as shown here)?"

Note that there are two doors but only one 6 ft opening; the usage of the car would determine which door was used.  The ventilator door would be used if the car was running as a ventilated boxcar; the solid door would be used if the car was running as a general service boxcar.  Additionally, the vents on the end could be closed for general boxcar service.


Ben Hom


Re: An image of ACL ventilated boxcars

Ray Hutchison
 

very nice model.  looking at a number of early photographs, what would determine whether the door would open to the right (which we think of as being correct) or opened to the left as shown here)?


On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 8:31 PM David Wiggs <bigwiggs@...> wrote:
Here's a shot on my 2-rail O-Scale RR of an ACL watermelon car.
 
davo in Orlando


Re: An image of ACL ventilated boxcars

David Wiggs
 

Here's a shot on my 2-rail O-Scale RR of an ACL watermelon car.
 
davo in Orlando


Re: Pullman Standard cushioned underframe question for PS-1 cars

George Eichelberger
 

That didn't work, I'll try to upload the drawing here...

Ike


Re: Pullman Standard cushioned underframe question for PS-1 cars

George Eichelberger
 

Although the Southern did not buy any, P-S provided information on their 40’ CUF cars, including the tests using one or two WP cars (the first with CUF?). Their first load was a shipment of boxed wine from CA to the east coast. The P-S/WP report on the trip was very successful with little or no damage to the shipment.

SF-1485 (from P-S dwg 532-F-56-A) dated 4-3-59, shows the CUF underframe arrangement.

Ike

 


Various scenes showing multiple freight cars in Florida

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Loading boxcars in Florida circa 1950

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
Loading boxcars in Florida circa 1950
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


a string of SAL stock cars

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
Image of a string of SAL stock cars, SAL 7904 closest to camera, in 1940
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


SAL 28812 - a ventilated box

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
Image of SAL 28812 - a ventilated box - in 1951
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


early Union Tank Line car

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
A pretty early Union Tank Line car (lettered UTL) in Florida
 
 
Wish we had a clearer view of the tank car!
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 


Nice view of L&N twin hoppers

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
Nice view of L&N 86920 (looks to me to be a USRA design twin hopper) and L&N 85058 (a twin hopper of different design) in 1942.
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


L&N 25972 composite gon in Jacksonville FL

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
Image of L&N 25972 composite gon in Jacksonville FL
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund