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Re: Extreme Tank Car Modeling

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Bruce,

Just last week I posted two views of a tank car that exploded on the B&O.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 12:24 PM Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
Folks,

With respect to "extreme tank car modeling", I am looking for photos of steam era oil or gasoline tank cars that have wrecked, burnt, and possibly ruptured, for a modeling idea.

Regards,
Bruce

Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


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Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 11:15 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: UTLX 95870 - For Extreme Tank Car Modeling
 
Bob,

I suspect that the tank cars were carrying LPG or a similar flammable gas, not oil.  Oil burns, gas explodes, and the piece of shrapnel on this UTLX ICC 105 pressure tank car was likely the wrapper on another similar car that exploded.  Here's a You Tube video of a modern 33,000 gallon LPG tank car that caught fire and exploded in the 1980s as a result of a derailment:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-tUQTw_Vtk

Todd Sullivan


Re: Extreme Tank Car Modeling

Tony Thompson
 

Bruce Smith wrote:

With respect to "extreme tank car modeling", I am looking for photos of steam era oil or gasoline tank cars that have wrecked, burnt, and possibly ruptured, for a modeling idea.

  Here's one for ya, an event that happened when a car was steam cleaned, and the manway closed tight while the car was hot.

Tony Thompson






Re: Question - Fees For Refrigerator Cars

Tony Thompson
 

Bob Chaparro wrote:

Question - Fees For Refrigerator Cars
I was told that railroads did not pay per diem for having a private company's refrigerator car (PFE, SFRD, FGEX) on their tracks. Instead, the railroad paid the company a mileage charge, whether the car was empty or not.
If this is true, what incentive did a railroad have for getting a refrigerator car back to the owner in a timely manner?

      The mileage charge was eventually replaced (I think in the early 1970s) with a conventional per diem. 
       You are right, Bob, that return incentives were small, but remember, per diem was small too. Most railroads did not regard it as a terribly big deal, except at interchange yards where cars could be dumped on the connecting railroad before midnight.
       All major reefer operators had agents in big cities to keep in contact with yardmasters and remind them to get those empties home. A PFE manager I interviewed said such an agent would call daily, with a list of the PFE cars in each yard in his territory. PFE, getting paid mileage loaded or empty, and often facing tight car supply in their loading territory, could not possibly have cared less about westbound loads.

Tony Thompson




Re: Question - Fees For Refrigerator Cars

Ken Adams
 

We also could charge a destination carrier for detention for holding a car over the time allowed in the tariff. It was up to the destination carrier to deal with the consignee over the cause of detention. In the case of delay by the carrier, it was their responsibility for reimbursing PFE for the detention costs and any damage to equipment.  The worst case I can vaguely remember was 10 300,000 series mechanical cars loaded with meat that were lost on the Penn Central for 3 months. The cars were eventually found on a side track in a yard near Philadelphia.  The refrigeration units had long run out of fuel and the contents of the cars had rotted. PC was at the time I believe in bankruptcy and there was a major legal fight over the cost of cleaning the cars which included burning the cars to eliminate the contents and interior insulation. They were returned to PFE as burned out hulks to be rebuilt. 
--
Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek


Re: Looking for tips on transferring Clover House dry transfers to decal paper

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi Doug, Steve, List Members,
 
It has also been my experience that burnishing 'squishes' the lettering somewhat, leading to distortion of the lettering on the final surface.
 
Thus I try to walk a fine line - burnish with just enough pressure to get good transfer, but not so much that you distort the fine lettering
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2020 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Looking for tips on transferring Clover House dry transfers to decal paper

Make sure you have an edge square to the lettering, so you can line up the carrier (ie paper) properly. Use a piece of Scotch tape to tape the carrier to the model, this will keep it from shifting as you rub and it will allow you to lift to view progress and be able to lay back down if not all the transfer is complete.

 

You can use a variety of things to burnish with. A soft lead pencil works, but don’t use a sharp one that might poke the carrier paper. Woodland Scenics made a large soft plastic tool that works well for large images, but is not real good for small areas or crevices in the surface. A piece of soft strip wood, like balsa, can be used.

 

Make sure you cover the complete transfer when burnishing. But don’t over do it. I like to use a pencil because then I can where I have burnished and where I have missed. Too much burnishing will cause the transfer to stick to the carrier paper instead of the model. Rub enough to get the transfer to stick to the model surface. Once the entire transfer is stuck, you can remove the carrier paper, then you can switch to a non stick carrier and press harder with a final burnishing.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

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Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 11:47 AM
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>; ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Looking for tips on transferring Clover House dry transfers to decal paper

 

I have always struggled with using dry transfer products.  What kind of tips can anyone offer as to making successful transfers of the Clover House lettering to decal paper?  Proper burnishing techniques, etc.?

 

Thanks in advance,

Steve Hile


Re: Question - Fees For Refrigerator Cars

Ken Adams
 

Bob,

I worked for PFE in the Auditors office 1970-73 and one of of my jobs was tracking car movements for missing per diem and mileage payments from railroads so I am not sure that statement is correct. I don't recall if we tracked SP-UP time and mileage but any other hauling railroad participating in a movement whether empty or load owed PFE mileage and per diem.  I also did part of the the final valuation calculations for ice cars being retired as we wound down ice protective service in 1973. 
--
Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek


Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
Apparently, Boston & Maine boxcars made it to Florida, even at this early date!
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


ACL ventilated boxcar in the yellow paint scheme

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
ACL ventilated boxcar in the yellow paint scheme
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus  Schlund
 


Re: Trucks?

Tim O'Connor
 

Dennis

I agree, but it's the very first example of this type of Andrews truck I've ever seen - or at least, recall ever seeing.

(Can't trust my memory these days.)


On 7/7/2020 9:48 AM, Dennis Storzek wrote:
Not Vulcan, rather some sort of Andrews patent truck. Vulcan trucks had the end of the sideframe encircle the journal box, which fit in the resulting slot, and retained by a horizontal bolt through a lug on the sideframe directly behind the journal lid hinge. I'm not seeing this lug, nor does the sideframe extend far enough to encircle the outer side of the journal box. Meanwhile, although the poor quality of the photo makes it hard to see, I think I'm seeing vertical bolts alongside the journal boxes. Those are the spotting feature of the Andrews design. Andrews trucks don't have to have the horizontal strap to the bottom of the journal; some had the strap drop at a 45 deg. angle from a bracket cast on the sideframe, as here.

Dennis Storzek

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Extreme Tank Car Modeling

Matt Goodman
 

On Jul 7, 2020, at 12:24 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Folks,

With respect to "extreme tank car modeling", I am looking for photos of steam era oil or gasoline tank cars that have wrecked, burnt, and possibly ruptured, for a modeling idea.

Regards,
Bruce

Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Todd Sullivan via groups.io<sullivant41@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 11:15 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: UTLX 95870 - For Extreme Tank Car Modeling
 
Bob,

I suspect that the tank cars were carrying LPG or a similar flammable gas, not oil.  Oil burns, gas explodes, and the piece of shrapnel on this UTLX ICC 105 pressure tank car was likely the wrapper on another similar car that exploded.  Here's a You Tube video of a modern 33,000 gallon LPG tank car that caught fire and exploded in the 1980s as a result of a derailment:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-tUQTw_Vtk 

Todd Sullivan


Question - Fees For Refrigerator Cars

Bob Chaparro
 

Question - Fees For Refrigerator Cars

I was told that railroads did not pay per diem for having a private company's refrigerator car (PFE, SFRD, FGEX) on their tracks. Instead, the railroad paid the company a mileage charge, whether the car was empty or not.

If this is true, what incentive did a railroad have for getting a refrigerator car back to the owner in a timely manner?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


What kind of Brake Setup is this?

Kemal Mumcu
 

Hi,

I'm building a TH&B 36' boxcar and these cars have a particular kind of brake gear I haven't seen before. K brakes were being used on the underframe and this strange brakewheel brace on the B end. Interestingly, there was no brake wheel platform to speak of. Brakewheel shaft also looks square.

Anyone know the name of this setup?

Colin Meikle


Re: Photo: V-1 Weapon On MP Flat Car 8171

Richard Wilkens
 

As this is a photo from a newspaper archives that doctoring is typical for newspapers of that period. This gave a stronger contrast to the photos when printed. You will see the edges of the truck side frame has been done as well as the missile cradle.

Richard Wilkens


Re: Looking for tips on transferring Clover House dry transfers to decal paper

Douglas Harding
 

Make sure you have an edge square to the lettering, so you can line up the carrier (ie paper) properly. Use a piece of Scotch tape to tape the carrier to the model, this will keep it from shifting as you rub and it will allow you to lift to view progress and be able to lay back down if not all the transfer is complete.

 

You can use a variety of things to burnish with. A soft lead pencil works, but don’t use a sharp one that might poke the carrier paper. Woodland Scenics made a large soft plastic tool that works well for large images, but is not real good for small areas or crevices in the surface. A piece of soft strip wood, like balsa, can be used.

 

Make sure you cover the complete transfer when burnishing. But don’t over do it. I like to use a pencil because then I can where I have burnished and where I have missed. Too much burnishing will cause the transfer to stick to the carrier paper instead of the model. Rub enough to get the transfer to stick to the model surface. Once the entire transfer is stuck, you can remove the carrier paper, then you can switch to a non stick carrier and press harder with a final burnishing.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve and Barb Hile
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 11:47 AM
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>; ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Looking for tips on transferring Clover House dry transfers to decal paper

 

I have always struggled with using dry transfer products.  What kind of tips can anyone offer as to making successful transfers of the Clover House lettering to decal paper?  Proper burnishing techniques, etc.?

 

Thanks in advance,

Steve Hile


Re: Looking for tips on transferring Clover House dry transfers to decal paper

Lester Breuer
 

I have transferred Clover House dry transfers to decal paper many times.  I just lay the dry transfer carrier sheet on the decal paper on a flat firm surface ( I have a plate glass surface on my workbench which also acts as a surface plate) and use a nylon burnisher to go over dry transfers to transfer the dry transfer to the decal paper. When all desired transfer is made I cover the applied dry transfered lettering with the plain wax sheet enclosed with the dry transfers and again go lightly over the lettering with the nylon burnisher. When complete I cover the transferred lettering with MicroScale Liquid Decal Film.  Let dry for 20 minutes plus and you have a decal ready to apply. 

It also helps if the carrier sheet is used in a warm rather than cold environment.   Some individuals ( I do not as a norm) warm the dry transfer carrier sheet via light bulb.   

I personally do not like the metal burnisher tips as I have found they do not work as well as the nylon to transfer for me.

Lester Breuer


Looking for tips on transferring Clover House dry transfers to decal paper

Steve and Barb Hile
 

I have always struggled with using dry transfer products.  What kind of tips can anyone offer as to making successful transfers of the Clover House lettering to decal paper?  Proper burnishing techniques, etc.?

 

Thanks in advance,

Steve Hile


Re: Photo: FGEX 36330 At Rock Island Yard

Steve and Barb Hile
 

I can’t help but notice the RI car on the end of the line, to the right.

 

 

In the mid 1920’s the RI rebuilt a number of older wood framed cars with new steel center sills and bolsters, with truss rods to complete the underframe.  Some of the later cars were completed with early inverted Dreadnaught ends.  Many served through WWII, but were nearly all gone by 1950.  They were numbered in the 152xxx series, but this one may have already been assigned to a work equipment 95xxx number.

 

Steve Hile

 

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Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 10:45 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: FGEX 36330 At Rock Island Yard

 

Photo: FGEX 36330 At Rock Island Yard

A circa 1945 photo from the Oklahoma Historical Society:

https://gateway.okhistory.org/ark:/67531/metadc1116212/?q=railroad

Click on the photo to enlarge it and use the Zoom button to enlarge it further.

Description: "Photograph of the Rock Island Railroad Marshalling Yard on the east side of downtown Oklahoma City. Photo taken by Meyers Photo Shop, c. 1945."

There are a lot of freight cars in the photo but only FGEX 36330 is easily identified.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Extreme Tank Car Modeling

Bruce Smith
 

Folks,

With respect to "extreme tank car modeling", I am looking for photos of steam era oil or gasoline tank cars that have wrecked, burnt, and possibly ruptured, for a modeling idea.

Regards,
Bruce

Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Todd Sullivan via groups.io <sullivant41@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 11:15 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: UTLX 95870 - For Extreme Tank Car Modeling
 
Bob,

I suspect that the tank cars were carrying LPG or a similar flammable gas, not oil.  Oil burns, gas explodes, and the piece of shrapnel on this UTLX ICC 105 pressure tank car was likely the wrapper on another similar car that exploded.  Here's a You Tube video of a modern 33,000 gallon LPG tank car that caught fire and exploded in the 1980s as a result of a derailment:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-tUQTw_Vtk

Todd Sullivan


Re: Re :PACIFIC ELECTRIC BOXCAR BRAKE ARRANGEMENT

radiodial868
 

Huh, I like my version the best. Rare that happens! (to me that is). The proto connector rod had a bigger hook like mine does, and the chain was a more pronounced that Jason's molded chain.  I actually got the auxiliary lever correct that moved the linkage to the outside sill. (Note: the slightly bent brake shaft was corrected later).
Bill Pardie, thanks for bringing this back up and making my day.
--
-------------------
RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Re: Photo: V-1 Weapon On MP Flat Car 8171

Bruce Smith
 

The photo looks "doctored", either by airbrush, or dodging, or both. I'm not sure exactly why, other than to perhaps fake the background? The war is over (date is dec 5, 1945) but now we're keeping secrets from the Soviets, and others...

Note that there is a gun on the flat behind the V-1 that appears to be a german "flak 88".

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 10:41 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: V-1 Weapon On MP Flat Car 8171
 

Photo: V-1 Weapon On MP Flat Car 8171

A 1945 photo from the Oklahoma Historical Society:

https://gateway.okhistory.org/ark:/67531/metadc262590/?q=train

Click on the photo to enlarge it and use the Zoom button to enlarge it further.

With more of these the Missouri Pacific could have held off the Union Pacific for several more years.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA