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Re: Trucks?

Todd Sullivan
 

Hi Clark,

It looks like a hybrid design between an Andrews (separate journal box castings) and a full cast steel sideframe truck.  I have no idea who might have made it, but I think I have seen one or two similar designs in other freight car photos.  The top part of the sideframe is pretty thick over the journals, reminiscent of the Andrews designs.

Todd Sullivan


Re: fire truck delivered in Oregon on a PRR end-door box car

espee4441
 

Tony,

I'll be the first to comment on that Seaboard car to confirm your accurate suspicion. I was pleasantly surprised to see it and simultaneously astounded because 28 years later I was walking those same spots in Roseburg as a teen. Would come down from nearby Glide for the weekend and railfan. Heck, maybe that same fire truck was still around but most likely in a local field or smaller community as back up since they have second lives in one such capacity or another. 

That Seaboard car gives me an excuse to get one if it's available. I have about 15 of the P2K 50 footers so far that work for this era. Anything remotely close in HO for SAL? I can't get the link to work now to see if it's a 40 or 50 in length. Bowser and Accurail have 40 feet versions and Branchline does a PS1 in 50 but that's not it in the photo.

Tony Pawley


Re: fire truck delivered in Oregon on a PRR end-door box car

Lee
 

thats not an american la france engine, at least not a full out version. ALF made bodies on commercial chassis which this looks to be. Possibly a Chevy or Ford? 


Re: Shipping sugar cane by rail...

akerboomk
 

RE: How unloaded?

 

Having just read thru the Magor Car Corp book by Ed Kaminski [so now I must be an expert, never having seen a sugar cane car before)  ;-)] – looks like side dump to me?

 

Ken

 


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Ken Akerboom


Re: NP steel boxcar

Douglas Harding
 

Looks more like they are unloading the car. The car is sitting next to lumber sheds, and the load appears to be bags which are to big to be cement or plaster. Nor does the bag sag in the middle, indicating it is lot heavy. It could be bags of vermiculite, used in insulation, which would be shipped in a NP boxcar as the main mine was in Montana. A lumber yard in Florida would be receiving bags of vermiculite, not shipping it out. The forklift does not have pallet, but rather it appears the employees simply laid some planks on the forks to make a platform for holding the sacks. Once the fork is loaded, they will drive it to the storage building and unload the sacks into the building, out of any weather. All done by hand.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] NP steel boxcar

 

Hi List Members,

 

NP steel boxcar with "Dantzler Lumber & Export Company employee loading a North Pacific Railway car - Jacksonville, Florida"

 

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 

 


NP steel boxcar

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
NP steel boxcar with "Dantzler Lumber & Export Company employee loading a North Pacific Railway car - Jacksonville, Florida"
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 


Re: fire truck delivered in Oregon on a PRR end-door box car

Todd Sullivan
 

Bruce,

I was fairly sure I would get that wrong, as I was being lazy and not looking up the classes.  My apologies ... and my thanks for correcting me and the information!

Todd Sullivan


Trucks?

Clark Propst
 

Can anyone tell me about the trucks under this car?
CW Propst


Re: fire truck delivered in Oregon on a PRR end-door box car

Bruce Smith
 

William,

X30 - definitely not. The car was in dedicated service and had a "When Empty Return To.." stencil.
X31/32/33 - it depends, although a back haul was not out of the question.

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] fire truck delivered in Oregon on a PRR end-door box car
 
Great photo, thanks. I have a print of Seattle’s electric buses ( replacing the trolleys) being unloaded from an east coast end door box car. I’m sure the manufacturer was in the East. I wondered if they would try to find a load of wood to fill the empty on it’s way back East. Anyway, a great picture, thanks again. Bill S


On Jul 6, 2020, at 5:59 PM, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:


Claus Schlund wrote:

Hi List Members,
A fire truck delivered in Oregon on a PRR end-door box car in 1959
 

    Now I breathlessly await the first list member to respond with, "Gee, what's a Seaboard box car doing in Oregon?" Luckily Ben Hom already answered the part about the Pennsy car.

Tony Thompson




Re: fire truck delivered in Oregon on a PRR end-door box car

Bruce Smith
 

Todd,

You meant X33, not X32, I'm sure ;)  The X32 did not have an end door. None of the X31 subclasses had an end door either. IIRC, the X30 was PRR's first end door car.

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] fire truck delivered in Oregon on a PRR end-door box car
 
And most of those fire trucks came from the American LaFrance plant on the east side of Elmira, NY on the PRR's Elmira Branch.  Since the plant was on the Erie RR main line, the manufacturer had to drive the fire trucks over a couple of blocks to a siding on the PRR to load them using a ramp.  Big fire trucks (hook and ladders) needed the X30 auto boxcar because of their length, but smaller trucks such as pumpers could use the PRR's X31 and X32 classes of end door boxcars.  BTW, Elmira was also home to Ward LaFrance, another fire truck manufacturer.  Their plant a bit west of the city center was serviced either by the Erie or the DL&W.

Todd Sullivan


Re: Shipping sugar cane by rail...

George Eichelberger
 

The sides are hinged at the top, the unloading track tips, the cane falls out.

There are still many miles of sugar cane trackage around Lake Okeechobee. A short line operates on the ex-FEC branch to South Bay, the ex-ACL line down from Sebring and the US Sugar Co trackage at Bryant. The South Central Florida Railroad's modern shop is rebuilding one of the USSC, ex FEC 4-6-2 for operation. There are trains running constantly during the harvest.

Ike


Re: Shipping sugar cane by rail...

csxt5555
 

Those are sugar cane cars.   Bagasse isn’t hauled but used as fuel in the boilers.  Yes it is on a very tight schedule from the time it is burned till grinding is 8 hrs.  We dump the cars on their side to unload them.  That’s the way it’s been done for years and years.  The oldest car I’ve seen in service this last season was 1926.  I’m sure it’s possible that some of those cars pictured have been rebuilt and are still in service. 

-Kevin




On Jul 6, 2020, at 9:13 PM, erieblt2 <williamfsmith22@...> wrote:

Growing up in Hawaii I know that from the moment the cane is cut it’s on a very tight schedule to get to the crushers quickly(quality issue). I’m guessing the train is only hauling cane, and racing to the mill. Big cars! How unloaded? 


On Jul 6, 2020, at 6:07 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Claus

Could this be BAGASSE rather than fresh sugar cane? I have usually heard this type of freight car
called a bagasse car.

Tim O"Connor



On 7/6/2020 6:51 PM, Claus Schlund wrote:
Hi List Members,
 
Shipping sugar cane by rail...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Shipping sugar cane by rail...

erieblt2
 

Growing up in Hawaii I know that from the moment the cane is cut it’s on a very tight schedule to get to the crushers quickly(quality issue). I’m guessing the train is only hauling cane, and racing to the mill. Big cars! How unloaded? 


On Jul 6, 2020, at 6:07 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Claus

Could this be BAGASSE rather than fresh sugar cane? I have usually heard this type of freight car
called a bagasse car.

Tim O"Connor



On 7/6/2020 6:51 PM, Claus Schlund wrote:
Hi List Members,
 
Shipping sugar cane by rail...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Shipping sugar cane by rail...

Tim O'Connor
 

Claus

Could this be BAGASSE rather than fresh sugar cane? I have usually heard this type of freight car
called a bagasse car.

Tim O"Connor



On 7/6/2020 6:51 PM, Claus Schlund wrote:
Hi List Members,
 
Shipping sugar cane by rail...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: fire truck delivered in Oregon on a PRR end-door box car

erieblt2
 

Great photo, thanks. I have a print of Seattle’s electric buses ( replacing the trolleys) being unloaded from an east coast end door box car. I’m sure the manufacturer was in the East. I wondered if they would try to find a load of wood to fill the empty on it’s way back East. Anyway, a great picture, thanks again. Bill S


On Jul 6, 2020, at 5:59 PM, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:


Claus Schlund wrote:

Hi List Members,
A fire truck delivered in Oregon on a PRR end-door box car in 1959
 

    Now I breathlessly await the first list member to respond with, "Gee, what's a Seaboard box car doing in Oregon?" Luckily Ben Hom already answered the part about the Pennsy car.

Tony Thompson




Re: fire truck delivered in Oregon on a PRR end-door box car

Tony Thompson
 

Claus Schlund wrote:

Hi List Members,
A fire truck delivered in Oregon on a PRR end-door box car in 1959
 

    Now I breathlessly await the first list member to respond with, "Gee, what's a Seaboard box car doing in Oregon?" Luckily Ben Hom already answered the part about the Pennsy car.

Tony Thompson




Re: fire truck delivered in Oregon on a PRR end-door box car

Todd Sullivan
 

And most of those fire trucks came from the American LaFrance plant on the east side of Elmira, NY on the PRR's Elmira Branch.  Since the plant was on the Erie RR main line, the manufacturer had to drive the fire trucks over a couple of blocks to a siding on the PRR to load them using a ramp.  Big fire trucks (hook and ladders) needed the X30 auto boxcar because of their length, but smaller trucks such as pumpers could use the PRR's X31 and X32 classes of end door boxcars.  BTW, Elmira was also home to Ward LaFrance, another fire truck manufacturer.  Their plant a bit west of the city center was serviced either by the Erie or the DL&W.

Todd Sullivan


Re: fire truck delivered in Oregon on a PRR end-door box car

Benjamin Hom
 

Claus Schlund wrote:
"A fire truck delivered in Oregon on a PRR end-door box car in 1959
https://umpquavalleymuseums.pastperfectonline.com/photo/6CF55703-0E42-4B74-84BC-157750359719 

Not just any PRR end-door boxcar - PRR 59861, the single Class X30 70 ft 6 in IL boxcar, built September 1931 and survived into Penn Central hauling fire apparatus.  Basically a Class X28 automobile boxcar on steroids with end doors.  

Ben Hom


fire truck delivered in Oregon on a PRR end-door box car

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
A fire truck delivered in Oregon on a PRR end-door box car in 1959
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: Re :PACIFIC ELECTRIC BOXCAR BRAKE ARRANGEMENT

Curt Fortenberry
 

I built the Sunshine PE boxcar kit (#17 series), there were parts in
there for the PE arrangement.

Curt Fortenberry