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Re: Precision Scale retainer valve

O Fenton Wells
 

Precision Scale Retainer valves are HO-3263 in Brass and HO 31796 in plastic
Fenton Wells

On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 8:51 AM Fred Jansz <fred@...> wrote:
Hi all,
here and there I read about a Precision Scale retainer valve being the ultimate part to use next to a brake wheel and housing on our precious HO-scale cars.
However, I can't find exactly which part number it is, brass and plastic are used in various topics
Plus in my old PSC catalogue these are parts for tenders...
Can anyone supply the part number please?
I'm modeliing 1950, so mostly AB brake and some K's.
Thanks & regards, Fred Jansz



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Re: MEC Pine Tree Green

Lester Breuer
 

Bill I am looking at Scalecoat, Vallejo and Model Master color charts only and photos on the Internet.  I have not painted an MEC car ; however, based on charts a very dark green so I would start with the following:

Vallejo  - Model Color Black Green 70.890

Model Master - Russsin Armor 4807

Polly Scale -  still available on eBay if you still would like to use

Lester Breuer

Precision Scale retainer valve

Fred Jansz
 

Hi all,
here and there I read about a Precision Scale retainer valve being the ultimate part to use next to a brake wheel and housing on our precious HO-scale cars.
However, I can't find exactly which part number it is, brass and plastic are used in various topics
Plus in my old PSC catalogue these are parts for tenders...
Can anyone supply the part number please?
I'm modeliing 1950, so mostly AB brake and some K's.
Thanks & regards, Fred Jansz

Re: MEC Pine Tree Green

Bill Welch
 

On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 10:37 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:
Bill:  
 
I have used Scalecoat I for many years and still swear by it.  The trick that I finally learned to preserve the paint is to seal the bottle with plastic wrap before replacing the cap.  Storing the bottle upside down helps even more.  They then last indefinitely.
 
Bill Pardie
 
Thanks Bill but be aware I am talking about Scale Coat II, different paint from Scale Coat I.
Bill Welch
 

Re: ADHESIVE PROBLEM

Tony Thompson
 

I would try canopy glue.
Tony Thompson 


On Oct 17, 2019, at 10:09 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:



I am probably stretching the limits of this group but do not caboose come under freight cars?  To push things further I am completing the conversion of a Harriman Southern Pacific coach to a caboose.

I have encountered a problem with the American Limited diaphrams.  I have used their gray diaphrams in the past with great success.  First this project I have black units.  The plastic parts seem th be a very slick plastic that is resistant to Testors liquid plastic cement.  Has anyone has a similar experience and what was the solution?

Thanks in advance for any help.

Hope to see many of you in Lysle.

Bill Pardie


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Re: ADHESIVE PROBLEM

Dennis Storzek
 

On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 02:08 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:
The plastic parts seem the be a very slick plastic that is resistant to Testors liquid plastic cement. 
I've done extensive modification to some American Limited diaphragms some years ago (don't recall if they were gray or black) and was able to use solvent cement, but I suspect they are ABS and the acrylic component is pretty resistant to Testors cement. I very likely used Tenax, which is methylene chloride, which is the preferred solvent for acrylic fabrication and also happens to work with styrene. Tenax is no longer sold, but we just had a long discussion on one of these lists about alternatives.

Dennis Storzek

Re: Suggestions For Wire Load Ties

Nelson Moyer
 

Dan, you are right, a few wipes of lacquer thinner won’t remove the insulation, however, you are also wrong, soaking wire in lacquer thinner for several hours does soften the insulation, and then it is easily removed .

 

Nelson Moyer.

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Daniel A. Mitchell
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Suggestions For Wire Load Ties

 

The plastic insulation (sometimes nylon) of many kinds of “magnet wire” is NOT removable by lacquer thinner … or much of anything else either. However heating the wire to near red-heat (candle or lighter) will char the coating, making it easily removable with solvents or mild abrasion (sandpaper).

 

Dan Mitchell

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On Oct 17, 2019, at 8:56 AM, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:

 

That works, but you can remove the lacquer insulation from magnet wire with a few wipes of lacquer thinner and do the same thing. The large array of wire diameters available as magnet wire give you more control of scale sizes.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

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For very small diameter wire without any insulating coating strip the insulation off of stranded wire used in decoder installations. This should accept chemical blackening.

Mark Vinski 

 


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Re: MEC Pine Tree Green

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Bill:  

I have used Scalecoat I for many years and still swear by it.  The trick that I finally learned to preserve the paint is to seal the bottle with plastic wrap before replacing the cap.  Storing the bottle upside down helps even more.  They then last indefinitely.

Bill Pardie



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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] MEC Pine Tree Green

I have one of these to paint also. I am usually "All Acrylic" but in this case I plan to use Scale Coat II in their Spray can option. Ordinary I would use my airbrush but with Scalecoat II I have had VERY poor experience with their paint going bad once it opened. I recently used their spray can Clinchfield gray on two GP-7's and was very happy with the way the paint went on and how the spray can functioned. For a single project like this using the spray can is worth it I think.
https://www.minutemanscalemodels.com/product-p/21296.htm

Bill Welch

Re: MEC Pine Tree Green

Bill Welch
 

I have one of these to paint also. I am usually "All Acrylic" but in this case I plan to use Scale Coat II in their Spray can option. Ordinary I would use my airbrush but with Scalecoat II I have had VERY poor experience with their paint going bad once it opened. I recently used their spray can Clinchfield gray on two GP-7's and was very happy with the way the paint went on and how the spray can functioned. For a single project like this using the spray can is worth it I think.
https://www.minutemanscalemodels.com/product-p/21296.htm

Bill Welch

Re: ADHESIVE PROBLEM

Jack Burgess
 

Bill…

 

Cypox would most likely work (I have some) but I would try canopy glue first.

 

Jack Burgess

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of WILLIAM PARDIE
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2019 2:09 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] ADHESIVE PROBLEM

 

 

I am probably stretching the limits of this group but do not caboose come under freight cars?  To push things further I am completing the conversion of a Harriman Southern Pacific coach to a caboose.

 

I have encountered a problem with the American Limited diaphrams.  I have used their gray diaphrams in the past with great success.  First this project I have black units.  The plastic parts seem th be a very slick plastic that is resistant to Testors liquid plastic cement.  Has anyone has a similar experience and what was the solution?

 

Thanks in advance for any help.

 

Hope to see many of you in Lysle.

 

Bill Pardie

 

 

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Re: MEC Pine Tree Green

Rich Gibson
 

Tru Color TCP-102 MEC Pine Green

Rich Gibson
Golden, CO

Re: Modeling USRE rebuild of Columbus & Greenville 3703

mel perry
 

nice marrying of the ends
mel perry

On Thu, Oct 17, 2019, 9:45 AM Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:

I think my question about USRE rebuilding business awhile was prompted by a model I built many years ago of a Columbus & Greenville rebuilt steel boxcar based on a photo I saw in the Henderson Boxcar Book #1 published I think in the early 1990’s. This may have been my first kit-bash effort and as I was looking at it recently I decided I wanted to go back and make some improvements, mainly taking off the oversize rivets—really NBW’s—and replacing them with harvested rivets (or maybe Tichy’s .020 rivets).

The base model is an Athearn boxcar. The ends are Westerfield’s Murphy ends and Detail Associates Dreadnaught ends spliced together. I think the Youngstown doors are also Westerfield. The steel running board may be Detail Associates or Overland as this model dates from the mid-1990’s before there were other options.

I used Accuflex (long gone now) GN green applied with the Binks Wren “B” I had purchased as a lad. The decals are mostly Walthers while the USRE Map decal is from a Microscale minical for some sort coil car if my memory is correct.

I know the paint scheme was being used by 1957 because the C&G used it on the Pullman PS-1 boxcars they purchased that year. I suspect this rebuild dates from sometime in the 1960’s but in my “Ya’ll” universe it was reweighed in 1954 which coincidentally is when USRE started its business, a fact I did not know when I did the reweigh decals but I like the synchronicity.

I cannot find my Henderson book but Tim O’Conner sent me another prototype photo gleaned from the internet.

Bill Welch

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Re: ADHESIVE PROBLEM

mel perry
 

try cypox, works on engineering plastics,
not cheap, follow instructions to the
letter
mel perry

On Thu, Oct 17, 2019, 2:09 PM WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:

I am probably stretching the limits of this group but do not caboose come under freight cars?  To push things further I am completing the conversion of a Harriman Southern Pacific coach to a caboose.

I have encountered a problem with the American Limited diaphrams.  I have used their gray diaphrams in the past with great success.  First this project I have black units.  The plastic parts seem th be a very slick plastic that is resistant to Testors liquid plastic cement.  Has anyone has a similar experience and what was the solution?

Thanks in advance for any help.

Hope to see many of you in Lysle.

Bill Pardie


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Re: L. C. L. Corporation & Containers

Bob Webber
 

Pullman was building containers prior to 1931, they also built containers to ship Oldsmobiles - containers had heavy duty casters to move them without the need for fork lifts.

They also had "Container box cars" which held 4 containers in 1935

There is a drawing from 1931 for "Application of skids and containers to 40' 6" flat car'. 5 Containers.

NKP had "container cars" built in this era that look like simple Gondolas (in the general arrangement drawings) (1939)

What is interesting is that many container associated drawings are in the Passenger files - not the freight. The same thing happened with items built in 1918 (naval rifle gun carriages, gun cars, etc.).


At 03:01 PM 10/17/2019, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:

L. C. L. Corporation

This 1930s photo of an early containers on a flat car led me to look into the L. C. L. Corporation:
Bob Webber

ADHESIVE PROBLEM

WILLIAM PARDIE
 


I am probably stretching the limits of this group but do not caboose come under freight cars?  To push things further I am completing the conversion of a Harriman Southern Pacific coach to a caboose.

I have encountered a problem with the American Limited diaphrams.  I have used their gray diaphrams in the past with great success.  First this project I have black units.  The plastic parts seem th be a very slick plastic that is resistant to Testors liquid plastic cement.  Has anyone has a similar experience and what was the solution?

Thanks in advance for any help.

Hope to see many of you in Lysle.

Bill Pardie


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Re: Swift Reefers

Tony Thompson
 

No, CSRM only has ORERs from about 1897 onward (it began in 1885 IIRC), and are missing occasional issues to about 1970, then spotty. But for this list, a superb collection. 
Tony Thompson 


On Oct 17, 2019, at 6:46 PM, Dave Parker via Groups.Io <spottab@...> wrote:

Hi Steve:
 
I have what you have, but the Swift pages from the 1920s are on my to-do list for my next visit to the CSRM.  Or maybe somebody beats me to it.

I also need some select pages from 1920s-30s Rules of Interchange.  I have not yet inquired, but I am wondering if CSRM staff would be willing to scan or photocopy select pages from a document (with a clearly spelled out request)?  I did get a complete employee timetable from them, but haven't yet asked for a targeted copy job.

And, yes, they do have every ORER ever published (AFAIK).

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L. C. L. Corporation (Revised)

Bob Chaparro
 

L. C. L. Corporation

This 1930s photo of an early containers on a flat car led me to look into the L. C. L. Corporation:

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-09-27-19/DLW_container_use_RailwayMotorTrucking_MechAdCommittee_FedCoordTrans_12-27-1935_2.jpg

The notes next to the individual container photo indicate the company provided containers to the railroads dating to the early 1920s with nearly 1,600 eventually in service on the New York Central, Lehigh Valley and B&O Railroads.

Here are two additional (but poor quality) photos from the Smithsonian Institution showing the containers in use:

https://ids.si.edu/ids/dynamic?container.fullpage&id=NMAH-AC1170-0000001

https://ids.si.edu/ids/dynamic?container.fullpage&id=NMAH-AC1170-0000002

A 1936 report of Mechanical Advisory Committee to the Office of Federal Coordinator of Transportation indicated the L.C.L. Corporation had both merchandise and bulk containers in service.

A post on the on-line Train Magazine website quoted this text from the 1940 book, Transpiration:

"A railroad freight container is a metal weather-proof, theft-proof box in which two to seven tons of freight (depending on the kind of freight) can be placed. The container is of such size as to form a definite sub-division of the surface area and the capacity of a railroad flat car. It can be transported upon a motor truck chassis. The container being a sub-division of a car's loaded capacity, the contents of the container can be given freight rates that are less than the standard l.c.l. rates per hundred pounds, but higher than carload rates. The container provides an improved service by simplifying the transfer and handling of package freight and by reducing the packing requirements. For those shippers who can make regular shipment of l.c.l. freight of considerable volume, and for freight forwarders who can combine several shippers' packages consigned to a common destination, the container has real advantage.

The use of freight car containers is not rapidly increasing, because satisfactory arrangements have not been made for the interchange of containers among connecting railroads, and a standard type of container has not been adopted by the railroads. The general inauguration of container car facilities and services and the interchange of containers by connecting carriers would require a larger investment in equipment than present traffic conditions seem to warrant.

Some railroads, the New York Central, the Lehigh Valley, the Reading, the Baltimore and Ohio, lease containers from the L.C.L. Corporation which designs, builds and leases equipment. The largest user of containers is the Pennsylvania Railroad, which has between four and five thousand of the approximately eleven thousand containers used by all railroads. While all of the Pennsylvania Railroad's freight containers can be employed in coordinated rail and motor service only one-eighth are so used, the other seven-eighths being loaded and unloaded at station platform. This station-to-station use of containers eliminates the sending of l.c.l. freight from the receiving stations to a transfer freight house for classification and consolidation by stations of destination. Freight not carried in containers may sometimes also be rehandled at transfer freight houses en route, with the consequent delays....

Originally rates upon freight shipped in containers were made upon a straight line rate per container per mile transported. These rates were found to disrupt the class rates upon goods shipped in regular services and were held to be unjustly discriminatory by the Interstate Commerce Commission in 1931. The freight rates established by the railroads upon merchandise shipments transported in containers are based upon the third class rates applicable upon the net weight of the freight in the containers subject to a minimum charge equal to the third class rate upon 4000 pounds.

In no case, however, may the rates applicable to shipments in containers be less than: (1) the highest carload class rates applicable to any article in the container; (2) the class rate next lower than that specified for any article in the container as an any quantity rate; or (3) the rate applicable to the highest rated commodity in the container applied to the entire contents of the container, when articles referred to in the first two alternatives are loaded in the same container."

This information is from a 2013 University of Michigan doctorial dissertation, "The Shipping Container and the Globalization of American Infrastructure" by Matthew W. Heins:

"The New York Central’s containers were smaller than those Fitch had put into use, being 7’-2½” wide, 9’-3½” long and 8’-2½” high. (Some other sizes were also built, for more specialized purposes.) Hence two or three containers could be carried on a flatbed truck, or on a truck’s flatbed trailer, though probably in some cases only one was actually hauled. Evidently the container’s dimensions were not oriented to the truck (as was the case with Fitch’s container and later with the postwar container), but to the ideal volume for LCL cargo. The container was of steel construction, weighed 2,600 pounds, and could hold 7,000 pounds of freight. When traveling by rail the containers were carried in low side gondola cars whose walls, along with various attachments, kept them in place. The New York Central initiated the operation in 1921, and soon founded the L.C.L. Corporation to take charge of the containers. Over the 1920s the business expanded as several other railroads—especially those that interchanged with the New York Central—began using the containers, as did many freight forwarders and consolidators. While the container was most commonly used for general merchandise, it also found a niche in carrying mail shipments. Special containers were designed for certain types of bulk goods like bricks, cement, lime and coal, as well as milk, produce and meat. Originally transfers between modes were done by crane, but later versions of the container had short legs attached so they could be handled by lift trucks. By the mid-1930s nearly 4,000 containers were in use.

The New York Central’s great rival, the Pennsylvania Railroad, was taking note of these events, and started using containers of its own in 1928. In the following year the Pennsylvania Railroad created the Keystone Container Car Company to manage its containers, and by the mid-1930s over 3,000 containers were circulating through its system. These containers had almost the same capacity as those of the New York Central, but the dimensions and fittings differed slightly and so the two systems were incompatible. The Pennsylvania Railroad’s containers were held on flatcars rather than gondola cars, and in fact generally only moved by train, rarely being transferred to trucks. At depots they were loaded and unloaded more or less as a boxcar would be. So the system actually was not intermodal—its goal was essentially to convert a railcar into a series of modules amenable to LCL cargo and protected from damage or theft. However, the containers were shifted between flatcars in the course of being routed to their destinations. This was perhaps the most interesting aspect of the operation: containers were routed through a central hub, a terminal in Enola, Pennsylvania, where each was switched from its incoming train to the appropriate outgoing train to its destination.

The New York Central and Pennsylvania Railroad were the most important users of containers in this period, but others also adopted and used containers of roughly comparable size. The future of containerization however did not lie with these small containers, but rather with larger units of the type pioneered by Benjamin Fitch, containers of a design and size tied principally to the truck. Essentially such a container was like a truck body with the wheels, cab and engine stripped away. The spatial character of trucking during this period determined that this type of container would be about fifteen to twenty feet long."

More can be found in this article by William T. Hoops: “The L. C. L. Merchandise Container,” Railway Age, Vol. 84, No. 8 (February 25, 1928):

https://tinyurl.com/yy68dlos (Go To Page 499)

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

MEC Pine Tree Green

Bill McClure
 

Long time lurker; longer time modeler.

I am completing a Speedwitch #KC107.2, MEC ARA boxcar. The instructions call for Floquil/Polyscale MEC Pine Tree Green. No longer having access to either, I have moved on to Vallejo and Model Master.

Has anyone a thought about a reasonable match in those lines of paint. I don't even have a color photo to reference.

Many thanks,
Bill McClure

Re: Modeling USRE rebuild of Columbus & Greenville 3703

Tim O'Connor
 


What a cool model! Bill, I'll never forget your first trip to Naperville and you laid
out a couple of dozen beautiful, amazing kitbashed models! I love the ends on this one.



On 10/17/2019 12:45 PM, Bill Welch wrote:

I think my question about USRE rebuilding business awhile was prompted by a model I built many years ago of a Columbus & Greenville rebuilt steel boxcar based on a photo I saw in the Henderson Boxcar Book #1 published I think in the early 1990’s. This may have been my first kit-bash effort and as I was looking at it recently I decided I wanted to go back and make some improvements, mainly taking off the oversize rivets—really NBW’s—and replacing them with harvested rivets (or maybe Tichy’s .020 rivets).

The base model is an Athearn boxcar. The ends are Westerfield’s Murphy ends and Detail Associates Dreadnaught ends spliced together. I think the Youngstown doors are also Westerfield. The steel running board may be Detail Associates or Overland as this model dates from the mid-1990’s before there were other options.

I used Accuflex (long gone now) GN green applied with the Binks Wren “B” I had purchased as a lad. The decals are mostly Walthers while the USRE Map decal is from a Microscale minical for some sort coil car if my memory is correct.

I know the paint scheme was being used by 1957 because the C&G used it on the Pullman PS-1 boxcars they purchased that year. I suspect this rebuild dates from sometime in the 1960’s but in my “Ya’ll” universe it was reweighed in 1954 which coincidentally is when USRE started its business, a fact I did not know when I did the reweigh decals but I like the synchronicity.

I cannot find my Henderson book but Tim O’Conner sent me another prototype photo gleaned from the internet.

Bill Welch

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Re: Swift Reefers

O Fenton Wells
 

You might look at Westfields CD's of ORER's
Fenton

On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 1:01 PM Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:
As I plunge further into the maelstrom that is the Swift reefer fleet, I wonder if anyone has copies of the Swift pages from an ORER in the early 1920's, say 21-24, and from on in the late 1920's, preferably 1929 that they are willing to share.  I have copies for 25, 26 with quantities and 30 where the quantities go "dark."  The quantities don't reappear until around 1943.
 
Thanks in advance,
Steve Hile
 
 



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