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Re: ERDX Reefers

Armand Premo
 

Thank you very much.Armand Premo

On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 12:54 AM B. L. Griffith <conductorblg@...> wrote:

Pick up a copy of Merchants Despatch, It’s History and Equipment by Roger C Hinman, 2011, Signature Press.  296 pages.  
 
The book explains the Eastern Refrigerator Despatch (ERDX) fleet well, but because the book is arranged somewhat chronologically, as well as by equipment, the references are spread throughout the chapters.  



Re: ERDX Reefers

B. L. Griffith
 

Pick up a copy of Merchants Despatch, It’s History and Equipment by Roger C Hinman, 2011, Signature Press.  296 pages.  
 
The book explains the Eastern Refrigerator Despatch (ERDX) fleet well, but because the book is arranged somewhat chronologically, as well as by equipment, the references are spread throughout the chapters.  



TIDX 1648 GATC tank car

David
 


TIDX 1648 GATC tank car

David
 

I looked through the AC&F lot list, and these were the orders specifically labeled as Type 25, 25A, or 26.

Type 25
lot 9892    5  AC&F Co. 10/21/24  10000g
lot 10008  15  Standard Oil Co. of New Jersey 3/21/25 10000g

Type 25A
lot 43   1  Western Paper Makers Chemical Co. 7/30/25  8000g
lot 54   5  Rossville Co. 8/25/25
lot 77  11  Ulen & Co. (AC&F Export Co.) 9/24/25  6000g

Type 26
lot  84 125  Tidal Refining Co. 10/3/25  8000g
lot 109   1  American Extract Co. 11/30/25  8600g
lot 120  15  Pan American Petroleum Co. 12/10/25  (50T)
lot 159   2  Manctels Herold Co. 1/8/26  8000g
lot 190  12  Pan American Petroleum Co. 2/5/26  10000g
lot 223   5  Spencer Kellogg & Sons 3/30/26  6000g
lot 280   5  Rossville Co. 7/2/26
lot 283   4  Dow Chemical Co. 7/9/26  10000g
lot 292   5  Cities Service Tank Line Co. 7/28/26  8000g
lot 322   2  Incandescent Lamp Dept. of General Electric Co. 9/11/26  8000g
lot 419 200  Tidal Refining Co. 1/18/27  8000g
lot 433   4  Dow Chemical Co. 2/8/27  10000g
lot 486   6  Roxana Petroleum Corp. 4/29/27  8000g
lot 487   6  Roxana Petroleum Corp. 4/29/27  10000g
lot 525 100  Cities Service Tank Line 8/15/27  8000g
lot 571  15  Chicago Tank Car 11/30/27  8000g

David Thompson


Re: Photo: PRR Flatcar 47068 With Grader Load

al_brown03
 

Thanks everyone! A 40-footer it is.

AL B.


Re: Photo: PRR Flatcar 47068 With Grader Load

Mont Switzer
 

Al,

When I was building D-8's I talked to a guy who owned one or two of them.   I concluded from the conversation that a 70T flat would not handle 2 of them. 

I've googled other CAT models and base data was pretty complete.  Many CAT model designations remained consistent over the years. 

You can buy  pre and post CAT touch up paint at many farm/fleet stores.  The color changed around 1970 when they took the lead out of their paint. 

Mont Switzer 



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-------- Original message --------
From: al_brown03 <abrown@...>
Date: 7/2/20 4:32 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: PRR Flatcar 47068 With Grader Load

I haven't loaded my pretty little Artitec D7 onto a flatcar yet, because I'm not sure what car is appropriate: 40-foot? 50-foot? 40-ton? 50-ton? 70-ton?

TIA,

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


ERDX Reefers

Armand Premo
 

Seeking  information as to types and operation Armand Premo


Re: B&O Tank Car Explosion

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Ben,

Here are the photos on resend.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 10:53 AM Ben Sullivan <ben.sullivan75@...> wrote:
The links appear for me as broken. When I click, it downloads a .TIF to my machine. That may be the issue; the Groups.io page trying to handle a .TIF instead of .JPG. Maybe convert them and re-attach? 

--
Ben Sullivan
Brookeville, MD


Re: Photo: Flat Car Load - Identity Of Items

Nelson Moyer
 

I missed the photo under discussion, but the mod to the USRA GS-15 class was to remove 18 in. from the bottom of the sides on the first few cars, then 15 in. on the rest of those modified. The result was that the V at the bottom side sill was no longer a V, having been truncated. The Walthers model is a pretty good version of the original GS-15, but it would have to be modified for my era, and I haven’t wanted to take a razor saw to it just yet.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Charlie Vlk
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2020 2:29 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Flat Car Load - Identity Of Items

 

Rob-

I don’t think this is a rebuilding any of a CB&Q USRA GS gondola.

While it is true that their own 40’ composite gondolas were similar and may have been inspired by some of the features of the USRA cars, I do not believe that they were to resemble the Q design cars.

The car in question looks like a GS -8 class car which is having the very lower part of the diagonals replaced where they connect to the vertical members (probably due to having rusted out).   The USRA have verticals extend a small amount beyond the side sill and both verticals and diagonals are directly attached to the frame.   Also note the characteristic GS-8 pulling loop plate in front of the nearest vertical. 

Charlie Vlk

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rob & Bev Manley
Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2020 12:39 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Flat Car Load - Identity Of Items

 

Bob,

Upon close examination the gondola on the right is a CB&Q rebuild of an USRA GS gondola. I am building one or two of these from IM's kits. These were Mineral Red used in revenue coal service as well as Light Orange for MOW service.

Thanks for your research.

 

 

Rob Manley

"Better modeling through personal embarrassment"

 

 

On Thursday, July 2, 2020, 11:46:38 AM CDT, Jim Betz <jimbetz@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi guys,
  The photo is identified as being of cars on a repair track.  Not sure if that is correct or
not - the guy with the portable welding set up could be using it to secure tie downs?
  I like this photo - very much - because it shows so much activity around this cut of
cars.  There are guys working on most of them down the line - but it does not look
like much is happening to the cars on the track to the right.  I also like it because the
date is more 'useful' to me since it is later than the spate of early pictures we've
been seeing lately.  Don't take that as meaning that I don't look at them all - I'm
just saying that I spend more time studying photos from my chosen era.
  There are no less than 6 workers who are focused directly on that flat car!
One of them appears to be sitting in the seat of the one on the far right - but I
guess he could be standing on the deck of the car.- or is that just a hat on top
of something (the one behind the steering wheel).  Speaking of hats I note
that "everybody is wearing a hat" - it was not a balmy day in Galesburg (but
also not cold enough for them to be wearing coats).
                                                                                                                - Jim


TIDX 1648 GATC tank car

David
 

David, what's the spotting feature you noticed?
The diameter and length of the tank for its nominal capacity, and the tank saddle construction are characteristic of mid-20s AC&F practice. The lack of side sills makes it a 25 or 26. The photo in question is hard to make a definitive statement on, but 26 was by far the less rare variety.

David Thompson


Re: Photo: PRR Flatcar 47068 With Grader Load

Bruce Smith
 

Al,

1938-
Length 160 in (410 cm)
Width 97 in (250 cm)
Height 96 in (240 cm)
Weight 31,870 lb (14,460 kg)

One will easily fit on a 40 foot, 40-ton flat. Two can probably fit.

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of al_brown03 <abrown@...>
Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2020 3:32 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: PRR Flatcar 47068 With Grader Load
 
I haven't loaded my pretty little Artitec D7 onto a flatcar yet, because I'm not sure what car is appropriate: 40-foot? 50-foot? 40-ton? 50-ton? 70-ton?

TIA,

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Carbon Black drawings?

Bud Rindfleisch
 

Can anyone point me to plans or drawings for a carbon black hopper? Asking for a friend who wants to scratchbuild one in S scale.
     Thanks in advance,
      Bud Rindfleisch


SUBSHINE TANK CARS

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

_._,_._,_

When complete they make up into pretty darn good cars.  My cars but not my work.

Bill Pardie


Re: Photo: PRR Flatcar 47068 With Grader Load

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

The Artitec model Cat D7 is a WWII vintage machine. With minor modifications it is typical of such crawlers made from the 1930s to 1950’s. Of course they lasted much longer, and some are still around. Such early model Cat D7, similar to the Artitec model, weighs about 12 tons. Add a couple more for the blade and winch … perhaps 16 tons max. Thus any common flatcar can carry one, and most could carry two.

The D7’s larger stablemate, the D8, is in the 18-20 ton range depending on accessories. The GHQ Cat D8 is also a WWII vintage machine.

Modern D7 crawlers are larger and heavier, and look different.

Dan Mitchell
==========

On Jul 2, 2020, at 4:15 PM, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

A nice summary of the Artitec Cat D7 Kit construction was authored by George Toman and posted on the Resin Car Works blog in January 2019. 

The post illustrates the kit quality and should give any reader a solid start on building one. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Jul 2, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Daniel A. Mitchell <danmitch@...> wrote:

I agree that Artitec models are “pricey”, but compared to what? Their product is of far better quality than most of their competition. The only comparable items I can think of are a few soft-metal kits that also are not cheap, and some (perhaps even better) investment-cast brass models that are about four times pricier yet!

Example: Classic Construction Models 1:87 Cat D11R Carrydozer Track-Type Tractor at $410!  That’s right, over $400 for little HO crawler tractor.  It is a beautiful little model with fully working tracks (vastly nicer than the crude working tracks on the First Gear IH tractor). While this is a far more modern tractor than being discussed, and a large one at that, it makes the Artistic model seem inexpensive in comparison.

CCM has done a number of other HO models at very high prices, including some stripping shovels and draglines selling at over $4000.

“You gets what you pays for” (sometimes less but rarely more).

Dan MItchell
==========


Re: Photo: PRR Flatcar 47068 With Grader Load

al_brown03
 

I haven't loaded my pretty little Artitec D7 onto a flatcar yet, because I'm not sure what car is appropriate: 40-foot? 50-foot? 40-ton? 50-ton? 70-ton?

TIA,

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: Photo: PRR Flatcar 47068 With Grader Load

Eric Hansmann
 

A nice summary of the Artitec Cat D7 Kit construction was authored by George Toman and posted on the Resin Car Works blog in January 2019. 

The post illustrates the kit quality and should give any reader a solid start on building one. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Jul 2, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Daniel A. Mitchell <danmitch@...> wrote:

I agree that Artitec models are “pricey”, but compared to what? Their product is of far better quality than most of their competition. The only comparable items I can think of are a few soft-metal kits that also are not cheap, and some (perhaps even better) investment-cast brass models that are about four times pricier yet!

Example: Classic Construction Models 1:87 Cat D11R Carrydozer Track-Type Tractor at $410!  That’s right, over $400 for little HO crawler tractor.  It is a beautiful little model with fully working tracks (vastly nicer than the crude working tracks on the First Gear IH tractor). While this is a far more modern tractor than being discussed, and a large one at that, it makes the Artistic model seem inexpensive in comparison.

CCM has done a number of other HO models at very high prices, including some stripping shovels and draglines selling at over $4000.

“You gets what you pays for” (sometimes less but rarely more).

Dan MItchell
==========


Re: Photos: Assorted Tank Cars

Steve and Barb Hile
 

The Casper refinery was owned by Standard Oil of Indiana, so the presence of UTLX tank cars is easily understood.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve and Barb Hile
Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2020 10:29 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Assorted Tank Cars

 

Very cool photos.  They are all UTLX cars.

 

In the first one, from left to right

 

UTLX 72152         8000 gallon GAT Type 19 – Tangent HO model

UTLX 13215         6500 gallon Class X

UTLX 2171           6500 gallon Class X-3 single dome car that has been converted to a three compartment car

UTLX ??                10000 gallon ACF built Type 21 four course tank – P2K model

 

The second photo, continues to the left from UTLX 72152 and includes

 

UTLX 76436         Another 8000 gallon GAT

Three UTLX 10000 gallon Class X cars

 

Thanks for sharing,

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2020 9:12 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Assorted Tank Cars

 

Photos: Assorted Tank Cars

Two 1948 photos from the Newberry Library taken at Casper, Wyoming:

http://collections.carli.illinois.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/nby_rrlife/id/653/rec/108

In this first photo, does the three-compartment tank car on the right look as if it was rebuilt from a single-compartment car?

http://collections.carli.illinois.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/nby_rrlife/id/699/rec/110

These photos can be enlarged a bit.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


SUNSHINE TANK CARS

WILLIAM PARDIE
 




Once completed the sensible cars are Pretty Dam Good.  My cars but not my work.

Enjoy:

Bill Pardie

_._,_._,_


Re: Jerry Hamsmith kits / difficult resin builds

Todd Sullivan
 

Tony Thompson said,

 "My comment about the Sunshine tank cars is that yes, they are not easy, but "slow and patient wins the day." It's more a case of them being complex models with lots of construction steps, rather than the individual steps being hard to do."

Agreed, although some of us have found better processes (sequence of build steps) to achieve better built models.  The Sunshine GATX Type 17 was the most challenging, and a long learning experience for me.  I built 4 for someone else up to a point where they were 3/4 done, and I have 2 more to build for me.  I'm not enthused at the prospect.

Todd Sullivan.


Unloading tank cars containing fatty acids

Aley, Jeff A
 

This document, though dated 1970, appears to contain information from an earlier era, given the sizes of tank cars referenced (4K, 6K, and 8K gallon).  The tank car stuff starts on page 3.

 

https://www.cleaninginstitute.org/industry-priorities/science/research/handling-industrial-fatty-acids

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff