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Re: Photo: Flat Car Load - Identity Of Items

Charlie Vlk
 

Rob-

I don’t think this is a rebuilding any of a CB&Q USRA GS gondola.

While it is true that their own 40’ composite gondolas were similar and may have been inspired by some of the features of the USRA cars, I do not believe that they were to resemble the Q design cars.

The car in question looks like a GS -8 class car which is having the very lower part of the diagonals replaced where they connect to the vertical members (probably due to having rusted out).   The USRA have verticals extend a small amount beyond the side sill and both verticals and diagonals are directly attached to the frame.   Also note the characteristic GS-8 pulling loop plate in front of the nearest vertical. 

Charlie Vlk

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rob & Bev Manley
Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2020 12:39 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Flat Car Load - Identity Of Items

 

Bob,

Upon close examination the gondola on the right is a CB&Q rebuild of an USRA GS gondola. I am building one or two of these from IM's kits. These were Mineral Red used in revenue coal service as well as Light Orange for MOW service.

Thanks for your research.

 

 

Rob Manley

"Better modeling through personal embarrassment"

 

 

On Thursday, July 2, 2020, 11:46:38 AM CDT, Jim Betz <jimbetz@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi guys,
  The photo is identified as being of cars on a repair track.  Not sure if that is correct or
not - the guy with the portable welding set up could be using it to secure tie downs?
  I like this photo - very much - because it shows so much activity around this cut of
cars.  There are guys working on most of them down the line - but it does not look
like much is happening to the cars on the track to the right.  I also like it because the
date is more 'useful' to me since it is later than the spate of early pictures we've
been seeing lately.  Don't take that as meaning that I don't look at them all - I'm
just saying that I spend more time studying photos from my chosen era.
  There are no less than 6 workers who are focused directly on that flat car!
One of them appears to be sitting in the seat of the one on the far right - but I
guess he could be standing on the deck of the car.- or is that just a hat on top
of something (the one behind the steering wheel).  Speaking of hats I note
that "everybody is wearing a hat" - it was not a balmy day in Galesburg (but
also not cold enough for them to be wearing coats).
                                                                                                                - Jim


Re: Jerry Hamsmith kits

Tony Thompson
 

Nelson Moyer wrote:

 I’d put the Sunshine GS-5/7/8 builds at the top of my most difficult list, topping the B&Q wagon top by a lot. But then, I still have several Sunshine tank cars to build, and I hear that some of them are not easy.

     My comment about the Sunshine tank cars is that yes, they are not easy, but "slow and patient wins the day." It's more a case of them being complex models with lots of construction steps, rather than the individual steps being hard to do.

Tony Thompson




Re: Jerry Hamsmith kits

Nelson Moyer
 

The unit body gons are a vast improvement over the Sunshine flat kit version. I bought eight flat kits from Martin toward the end of Sunshine, and cleaned up the parts intending to build the cars, but I shelved them when I started building my layout. Meanwhile, Ed and Jerry came out with their kits, so there was no rush to go back to the flat kits until now, as they are the last flat fits in my stash, and I vowed not to build any of the newer unit body kits until all of the flat kits were built. Five cars are built up to the Wine lock stage. The locks consist of angles supporting the drop doors and Wine mounting hardware to lock and release the doors. Yesterday I installed 80 door angles, and today I sorted 80 Wine locks to install on the sides to engage the angles. Having built 17 of Jerry’s gondolas, I was curious about how many resin parts were included in the unit body compared to the same part count for the flat kit. The number is 47 parts, 32 of which are for the Wine lock door mechanism. That’s a LOT of parts that Ed and Jerry have saved you from cleaning up and using for your body build. The hardest part of the body build was installing the corner pieces on the top flange of the sides and ends. Unlike some gondolas, these corner pieces do not mount on top of the flanges, but are mounted on the sides and ends flush with the flanges, requiring the builder to cut off the casting flanges to fit the corner pieces. That’s delicate work, and any miscalculation leaves an obvious gap between the flange and the end of the corner piece. Be thankful you don’t have to do that with the unit body! Fortunately, I didn’t mess up any of the corners of my five cars, but it took a long time to do them right. The angles and locks are a pain to clean up, but installation isn’t hard, just extremely tedious and time consuming. I’ve decided to complete the build on these five GS-5/7/8 gons up to the priming step, then go back and build the remaining three GS-1/2 gondolas, which are identical to the GS-5/7/8 cars except that the wood sides are replaced with Murphy end panels from scrapped boxcars.

 

I’d put the Sunshine GS-5/7/8 builds at the top of my most difficult list, topping the B&Q wagon top by a lot. But then, I still have several Sunshine tank cars to build, and I hear that some of them are not easy.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rob & Bev Manley
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2020 12:57 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Jerry Hamsmith kits

 

Phil,

All of Jerry's decals and gons are highly recommended. 

The gons that require a double step stirrup can use Pierre's excellent etchings for the tank cars. YMW-220 Tangent GSC Tankar Stirrups. 

 

Rob Manley

"Better modeling through personal embarrassment"


Re: Photo: PRR Flatcar 47068 With Grader Load

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

I agree that Artitec models are “pricey”, but compared to what? Their product is of far better quality than most of their competition. The only comparable items I can think of are a few soft-metal kits that also are not cheap, and some (perhaps even better) investment-cast brass models that are about four times pricier yet!

Example: Classic Construction Models 1:87 Cat D11R Carrydozer Track-Type Tractor at $410!  That’s right, over $400 for little HO crawler tractor.  It is a beautiful little model with fully working tracks (vastly nicer than the crude working tracks on the First Gear IH tractor). While this is a far more modern tractor than being discussed, and a large one at that, it makes the Artistic model seem inexpensive in comparison.

CCM has done a number of other HO models at very high prices, including some stripping shovels and draglines selling at over $4000.

“You gets what you pays for” (sometimes less but rarely more).

Dan MItchell
==========

On Jul 2, 2020, at 11:24 AM, Craig Wilson <agecompanyphotog@...> wrote:

Attached is a photo of the Artitec dozer mounted on an NKP flatcar.  This particular version came with the blade detached.  I particularly like that the operator's seat/controls has a canvas "tarp" covering for shipping.  The Artitec items are pricey but can by justified for a single loaded car.

Craig Wilson


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Re: Jerry Hamsmith kits

Rob & Bev Manley
 

Phil,
All of Jerry's decals and gons are highly recommended. 
The gons that require a double step stirrup can use Pierre's excellent etchings for the tank cars. YMW-220 Tangent GSC Tankar Stirrups. 

Rob Manley
"Better modeling through personal embarrassment"


On Thursday, July 2, 2020, 07:50:59 AM CDT, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:


Jerry’s kit listing is posted on the Helpful Links page of the Resin Car Works blog. 

The latest update is posted. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Jul 2, 2020, at 2:02 AM, nyc3001 . <nyc3001@...> wrote:

Hi guys,

Are Jerry's GS gon and FM-11 flat kits still available? Research seems to indicate that I might be able to use one of each.

-Phil


Re: Photo: Flat Car Load - Identity Of Items

Rob & Bev Manley
 

Bob,
Upon close examination the gondola on the right is a CB&Q rebuild of an USRA GS gondola. I am building one or two of these from IM's kits. These were Mineral Red used in revenue coal service as well as Light Orange for MOW service.
Thanks for your research.
 

Rob Manley
"Better modeling through personal embarrassment"


On Thursday, July 2, 2020, 11:46:38 AM CDT, Jim Betz <jimbetz@...> wrote:


Hi guys,
  The photo is identified as being of cars on a repair track.  Not sure if that is correct or
not - the guy with the portable welding set up could be using it to secure tie downs?
  I like this photo - very much - because it shows so much activity around this cut of
cars.  There are guys working on most of them down the line - but it does not look
like much is happening to the cars on the track to the right.  I also like it because the
date is more 'useful' to me since it is later than the spate of early pictures we've
been seeing lately.  Don't take that as meaning that I don't look at them all - I'm
just saying that I spend more time studying photos from my chosen era.
  There are no less than 6 workers who are focused directly on that flat car!
One of them appears to be sitting in the seat of the one on the far right - but I
guess he could be standing on the deck of the car.- or is that just a hat on top
of something (the one behind the steering wheel).  Speaking of hats I note
that "everybody is wearing a hat" - it was not a balmy day in Galesburg (but
also not cold enough for them to be wearing coats).
                                                                                                                - Jim


Re: Photo: Flat Car Load - Identity Of Items

John King
 

Farm equipment companies used to market power units for farm work, etc.   I remember both International and Allis Chalmers tractor engines being used to power carnival rides.   They had the full hood just like the items on the flat cars.

 

John King

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2020 10:25 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Flat Car Load - Identity Of Items

 

On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 07:13 AM, Bob Chaparro wrote:

In addition to the tractors there are some other items on the flat car. Are these generators or some other farm equipment items?

They look like additional tractor engines on skids; the fuel tank is mounted over the engine and the clutch housing is facing us.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Photo: Flat Car Load - Identity Of Items

Jim Betz
 

Hi guys,
  The photo is identified as being of cars on a repair track.  Not sure if that is correct or
not - the guy with the portable welding set up could be using it to secure tie downs?
  I like this photo - very much - because it shows so much activity around this cut of
cars.  There are guys working on most of them down the line - but it does not look
like much is happening to the cars on the track to the right.  I also like it because the
date is more 'useful' to me since it is later than the spate of early pictures we've
been seeing lately.  Don't take that as meaning that I don't look at them all - I'm
just saying that I spend more time studying photos from my chosen era.
  There are no less than 6 workers who are focused directly on that flat car!
One of them appears to be sitting in the seat of the one on the far right - but I
guess he could be standing on the deck of the car.- or is that just a hat on top
of something (the one behind the steering wheel).  Speaking of hats I note
that "everybody is wearing a hat" - it was not a balmy day in Galesburg (but
also not cold enough for them to be wearing coats).
                                                                                                                - Jim


Re: Photo: Flat Car Load - Identity Of Items

Douglas Harding
 

Or they are stationary power plants for running water pumps for irrigation or watering livestock.


On Thu, Jul 2, 2020, 9:25 AM Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...> wrote:
On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 07:13 AM, Bob Chaparro wrote:
In addition to the tractors there are some other items on the flat car. Are these generators or some other farm equipment items?
They look like additional tractor engines on skids; the fuel tank is mounted over the engine and the clutch housing is facing us.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Photos: Assorted Tank Cars

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Very cool photos.  They are all UTLX cars.

 

In the first one, from left to right

 

UTLX 72152         8000 gallon GAT Type 19 – Tangent HO model

UTLX 13215         6500 gallon Class X

UTLX 2171           6500 gallon Class X-3 single dome car that has been converted to a three compartment car

UTLX ??                10000 gallon ACF built Type 21 four course tank – P2K model

 

The second photo, continues to the left from UTLX 72152 and includes

 

UTLX 76436         Another 8000 gallon GAT

Three UTLX 10000 gallon Class X cars

 

Thanks for sharing,

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2020 9:12 AM
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Assorted Tank Cars

 

Photos: Assorted Tank Cars

Two 1948 photos from the Newberry Library taken at Casper, Wyoming:

http://collections.carli.illinois.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/nby_rrlife/id/653/rec/108

In this first photo, does the three-compartment tank car on the right look as if it was rebuilt from a single-compartment car?

http://collections.carli.illinois.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/nby_rrlife/id/699/rec/110

These photos can be enlarged a bit.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: PRR Flatcar 47068 With Grader Load

Craig Wilson
 

Attached is a photo of the Artitec dozer mounted on an NKP flatcar.  This particular version came with the blade detached.  I particularly like that the operator's seat/controls has a canvas "tarp" covering for shipping.  The Artitec items are pricey but can by justified for a single loaded car.

Craig Wilson



Re: Photos: Assorted Tank Cars

al_brown03
 

Indeed I'd bet that the three-compartment car in question was rebuilt from a single-compartment car. The give-away is the middle dome bigger than the outer two: big enough for the whole car in its original form.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: Photos: Assorted Tank Cars

Dave Parker
 

It doesn't appear that UTLX was in any great hurry to convert to AB brakes as of 1948.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: B&O Tank Car Explosion

 

The links appear for me as broken. When I click, it downloads a .TIF to my machine. That may be the issue; the Groups.io page trying to handle a .TIF instead of .JPG. Maybe convert them and re-attach? 

--
Ben Sullivan
Brookeville, MD


Re: Photos: CCIX Tank Car 342

Frank Hodina
 

Our acid tank car kit 1.03 would work for CCIX 342. Kit 1.03 is of the first group of these cars built for Consolidated Chemical in 1945. The cars were leases so the reporting marks are SHPX. CCIX was built in April of 1947. The 140,000 capacity is due to the Heresite liners that these cars had. Would need to do a new decal set to issue a new kit, but that's not a proplem as the artwork is available. Let us know if there's an interest.

Have a happy 4th!

Frank


Re: Photo: Flat Car Load - Identity Of Items

Dennis Storzek
 

On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 07:13 AM, Bob Chaparro wrote:
In addition to the tractors there are some other items on the flat car. Are these generators or some other farm equipment items?
They look like additional tractor engines on skids; the fuel tank is mounted over the engine and the clutch housing is facing us.

Dennis Storzek


Photo: Tractor Pulling A Cut Of Boxcars

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Tractor Pulling A Cut Of Boxcars

A 1948 photo from the Newberry Library:

http://collections.carli.illinois.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/nby_rrlife/id/601/rec/659

This photo can be enlarged a bit.

Hopefully there is someone not seen in the photo manning a brake wheel.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Flat Car Load - Identity Of Items

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Flat Car Load - Identity Of Items

A 1948 photo from the Newberry Library:

http://collections.carli.illinois.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/nby_rrlife/id/845/rec/103

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

In addition to the tractors there are some other items on the flat car. Are these generators or some other farm equipment items?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photos: Assorted Tank Cars

Bob Chaparro
 

Photos: Assorted Tank Cars

Two 1948 photos from the Newberry Library taken at Casper, Wyoming:

http://collections.carli.illinois.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/nby_rrlife/id/653/rec/108

In this first photo, does the three-compartment tank car on the right look as if it was rebuilt from a single-compartment car?

http://collections.carli.illinois.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/nby_rrlife/id/699/rec/110

These photos can be enlarged a bit.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Two CB&Q Boxcars (33426 & 31326)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Two CB&Q Boxcars (33426 & 31326)

A 1948 photo from the Newberry Library:

http://collections.carli.illinois.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/nby_rrlife/id/517/rec/549

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Good end detail on 33426.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA