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Re: Red Caboose ACF Box Car with 4-3-1 Ends and Riveted Sides

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Steve,

Ed Hawkins did a better article in the July 1999 RMJ. Besides KCS, cars of this configuration were bought or home-built by the D&M and Erie, with MP and subsidiary MI, IC building their own copies. In some cases, the side sills were slightly modified with longer side sills (IC, MP and MI), but this would be an easy kitbash with styrene strip.
According to Ed's list, the only Reading car similar to your model had 12-panel sides.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff



On 10/7/2019 3:47 PM, StephenK wrote:
I picked up a nice kit at the Berea Train Show Saturday -- a old, undecorated Red Caboose box car.   The label says it is a 40' ACF Box Car, 4-3-1 ends, 8' door, riveted sides and standard tab side sill.   (Kit # RC-8700).   I figured I look it up in my books and magazines, pick out a scheme and have a nice addition to my roster.   (The kit cost me $7.00.)   doing some research today shows me that Reading and KCS had these and that's about it.   The car has 10-panel sides.   A few other roads had 12 panel sides, or drop sills and a lot had 6- or 7-foot doors, not 8.

Most of the info I found came from RailModel Journal in 1989-90 (the are talking about using C&BT kits to model these!)

Am i missing something, or did RC put our a rare car?

Steve Kay

Re: Red Caboose ACF Box Car with 4-3-1 Ends and Riveted Sides

Benjamin Hom
 

Steve Kay asked:
"I picked up a nice kit at the Berea Train Show Saturday -- a old, undecorated Red Caboose box car.   The label says it is a 40' ACF Box Car, 4-3-1 ends, 8' door, riveted sides and standard tab side sill.   (Kit # RC-8700).   I figured I look it up in my books and magazines, pick out a scheme and have a nice addition to my roster.   (The kit cost me $7.00.)   doing some research today shows me that Reading and KCS had these and that's about it.   The car has 10-panel sides.   A few other roads had 12 panel sides, or drop sills and a lot had 6- or 7-foot doors, not 8.

Most of the info I found came from RailModel Journal in 1989-90 (the are talking about using C&BT kits to model these!)

Am I missing something, or did RC put our a rare car?:

These two Ed Hawkins spreadsheets should help out your search:


Ben Hom

Red Caboose ACF Box Car with 4-3-1 Ends and Riveted Sides

StephenK
 

I picked up a nice kit at the Berea Train Show Saturday -- a old, undecorated Red Caboose box car.   The label says it is a 40' ACF Box Car, 4-3-1 ends, 8' door, riveted sides and standard tab side sill.   (Kit # RC-8700).   I figured I look it up in my books and magazines, pick out a scheme and have a nice addition to my roster.   (The kit cost me $7.00.)   doing some research today shows me that Reading and KCS had these and that's about it.   The car has 10-panel sides.   A few other roads had 12 panel sides, or drop sills and a lot had 6- or 7-foot doors, not 8.

Most of the info I found came from RailModel Journal in 1989-90 (the are talking about using C&BT kits to model these!)

Am i missing something, or did RC put our a rare car?

Steve Kay

Re: SRFD reefers with ventilator hoods (Ice Car From 1942)

Jon Miller
 

On 10/7/2019 10:50 AM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:
Here is a photo from early 1942. In the background is a Santa Fe ice car

Thanks Bob now I can order some hatches.

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Re: SRFD reefers with ventilator hoods (Retired SFRD Reefers w/Hoods)

Bob Chaparro
 

And here are some photos I took of retired SFRD reefers in Hemet. All of these are still around when I last recently looked.

Bob Chaparro

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Re: SRFD reefers with ventilator hoods (Ice Car From 1942)

Bob Chaparro
 

Here is a photo from early 1942. In the background is a Santa Fe ice car (formerly in SFRD service) with ventilator hoods. The original photo is from the Library of Congress.

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Railroad Citrus Industry Modeling Group

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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] New Decal Availabile

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Bill;

That is a really, really nice model.

Glad to see someone else has interest in their cars!

Elden Gatwood

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Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] New Decal Availabile

Very glad to see these EJ&E decals. Notice they are not offering the set for the Green & Orange cars.

The EJ&E had very interesting steel cars. In addition to their USRA steel rebuilds, they build 10' 6" IH car with Dreadnaught ends and 8-foot doors, essentially the 1937 improved design with wider doors. Curiously they followed these with lower 10-ft IH cars with 8-foot doors and improved Dreadnaught ends, essentially the 1944 AAR car.

Here is my attempt at an EJ&E 10-ft IH boxcar w/improved Dreadnaught Ends using a C&BT kit. The roof was sawed off and I then added styrene on the inside across the door opening to add rigidity. The body lowered by six-inches by sanding on a flat plate and then the roof was re-attached. Look closely and there is a sage in the middle, Ugh. I kept going. The kit door was modified. The bracket grabs are Detail Associates which I now know are too long but the look pretty good. I think I could do a better job 20+ years latter but now I am lobbying Yarmouth to add this car to there Steel car offerings since they are doing such interest steel variations.

The decals are Walthers. The orange decals were not opaque so I wrote them and ordered two more sets and layered them on which worked pretty well. When I ordered I included a note about why I needed more and what I planned to do. The two decal sets included a note that said the sender had to do the same thing.

Bill Welch

Re: A.A. Morrison Railway Supply / International Car

leakinmywaders
 

Mark:  

Matt Herson and I published a roster and brief account of the several series of boxcars that A.A. Morrison and subsidiaries rebuilt or refurbished and leased to the NP during the 1960s.  The article appeared in 2009 in the NPRHA Mainstreeter, Volume 28, No. 4.  The piece was entitled “The Lazarus Fleet: Leased Boxcars of the 1960s,” because these were all steam-era boxcars considered worn-out and sidelined by northeastern roads, including Erie, DLW, DT&I, and N&W.  The Morrison firm smelled opportunity in exploiting the excess of NE US road boxcars to address recurring car shortages on western roads for shipping forest products. The cars were altered to varying degrees for lease service, most drastically in the case of single door cars converted to double doors.  

Note that certain of the ORER-listed NP series originated from multiple parent series and even railroads.  

This touches on RealSTMC content because of the build dates of the boxcars (1930s-40s), but A. A. Morrison and Morrison International activity in the 1960s and later might be better discussed on the MFCL or BBFCL io groups.  Regards, 

Chris Frissell
Polson, MT 

Re: Round roof double door boxcar

leakinmywaders
 

Missed my sign-off, apologies.

Chris Frissell
Polson, MT 

A.A. Morrison Railway Supply / International Car

mark_landgraf
 

I grew up in Buffalo and was aware of their operations in Ebenezer NY. During some recent research on Greenville Steel Car, it became apparent that Morrison used GSC to rebuild various batches of cars that Morrison seemed to acquire via auction, often from the Erie RR. 

During a recent business contact to the Ebenezer Car Shop provided some information, no records of past car rebuild efforts on site, and the remaining family members that had lived at the Ohio International Car caboose factory had either died or moved to Florida. 

Has anyone done a roster or history of Morrison owned/leased rolling stock? Or a production list for International car cabooses?  I have a Partial production list from Eric Neubauer, others may assist in filling in the gaps

I'm also looking for factory International Car General Arrangement Drawings for Cabooses. I have other International stuff to offer in trade. 

Mark Landgraf
Albany NY

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Re: Round roof double door boxcar

leakinmywaders
 

To put a finer point on the history of the DT&-I 50-ft round roof cars leased to NP,  A.A. Morrison acquired 110 of them about 1960, and rebuilt them to NP specifications for lumber service, and leased them to that road as NP 39500-39609.  I think the only outward change was a very slightly deeper side sill extension under the door openings.  Even wood running boards were retained. For those interested, Matt Herson and I researched the history of all three classes of round roof steel cars leased to NP, and published details in the NPRHA Mainstreeter, Vol. 29, No. 2, Summer 2010. 

Re: New Decal Availabile

Bill Welch
 

I forgot to mention that the inspiration for this model came from one of two "Rail Model Journal" reprints did where they compiled several of their freight car articles. I think Richard Hendrickson did the article. Of the now gone magazine I miss RMJ the most!

Bill Welch

Re: New Decal Availabile

O Fenton Wells
 

Nice looking car Bill.  It's fun, I think and go back and look at 'Older' models we have built.
Fenton

On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 12:10 PM Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:
Very glad to see these EJ&E decals. Notice they are not offering the set for the Green & Orange cars.

The EJ&E had very interesting steel cars. In addition to their USRA steel rebuilds, they build 10' 6" IH car with Dreadnaught ends and 8-foot doors, essentially the 1937 improved design with wider doors. Curiously they followed these with lower 10-ft IH cars with 8-foot doors and improved Dreadnaught ends, essentially the 1944 AAR car.

Here is my attempt at an EJ&E 10-ft IH boxcar w/improved Dreadnaught Ends using a C&BT kit. The roof was sawed off and I then added styrene on the inside across the door opening to add rigidity. The body lowered by six-inches by sanding on a flat plate and then the roof was re-attached. Look closely and there is a sage in the middle, Ugh. I kept going. The kit door was modified. The bracket grabs are Detail Associates which I now know are too long but the look pretty good. I think I could do a better job 20+ years latter but now I am lobbying Yarmouth to add this car to there Steel car offerings since they are doing such interest steel variations.

The decals are Walthers. The orange decals were not opaque so I wrote them and ordered two more sets and layered them on which worked pretty well. When I ordered I included a note about why I needed more and what I planned to do. The two decal sets included a note that said the sender had to do the same thing.

Bill Welch



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Re: New Decal Availabile

Paul Doggett
 

Bill 

That’s a really great looking model, I like your idea with the decals.

Paul Doggett.   England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 6 Oct 2019, at 17:04, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:

Very glad to see these EJ&E decals. Notice they are not offering the set for the Green & Orange cars.

The EJ&E had very interesting steel cars. In addition to their USRA steel rebuilds, they build 10' 6" IH car with Dreadnaught ends and 8-foot doors, essentially the 1937 improved design with wider doors. Curiously they followed these with lower 10-ft IH cars with 8-foot doors and improved Dreadnaught ends, essentially the 1944 AAR car.

Here is my attempt at an EJ&E 10-ft IH boxcar w/improved Dreadnaught Ends using a C&BT kit. The roof was sawed off and I then added styrene on the inside across the door opening to add rigidity. The body lowered by six-inches by sanding on a flat plate and then the roof was re-attached. Look closely and there is a sage in the middle, Ugh. I kept going. The kit door was modified. The bracket grabs are Detail Associates which I now know are too long but the look pretty good. I think I could do a better job 20+ years latter but now I am lobbying Yarmouth to add this car to there Steel car offerings since they are doing such interest steel variations.

The decals are Walthers. The orange decals were not opaque so I wrote them and ordered two more sets and layered them on which worked pretty well. When I ordered I included a note about why I needed more and what I planned to do. The two decal sets included a note that said the sender had to do the same thing.

Bill Welch

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Re: New Decal Availabile

Bill Welch
 

Very glad to see these EJ&E decals. Notice they are not offering the set for the Green & Orange cars.

The EJ&E had very interesting steel cars. In addition to their USRA steel rebuilds, they build 10' 6" IH car with Dreadnaught ends and 8-foot doors, essentially the 1937 improved design with wider doors. Curiously they followed these with lower 10-ft IH cars with 8-foot doors and improved Dreadnaught ends, essentially the 1944 AAR car.

Here is my attempt at an EJ&E 10-ft IH boxcar w/improved Dreadnaught Ends using a C&BT kit. The roof was sawed off and I then added styrene on the inside across the door opening to add rigidity. The body lowered by six-inches by sanding on a flat plate and then the roof was re-attached. Look closely and there is a sage in the middle, Ugh. I kept going. The kit door was modified. The bracket grabs are Detail Associates which I now know are too long but the look pretty good. I think I could do a better job 20+ years latter but now I am lobbying Yarmouth to add this car to there Steel car offerings since they are doing such interest steel variations.

The decals are Walthers. The orange decals were not opaque so I wrote them and ordered two more sets and layered them on which worked pretty well. When I ordered I included a note about why I needed more and what I planned to do. The two decal sets included a note that said the sender had to do the same thing.

Bill Welch

Re: New Decal Availabile

Tim O'Connor
 

On 10/5/2019 7:10 PM, hubert mask wrote:
Mask Island Decals Inc.is pleased to announce a new decal added to our line up.

We now offer the EJ&E decal designed for the green forty footer.  This is the systems map scheme. You may view this set on maskislanddecals.com .    Look under freight and find this set in the EJ&E group.

The set does two cars and sells for $7.00.

Thank you.    Hopefully see you in Chicago.

Hubert Mask

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New Decal Availabile

hubert mask
 

Mask Island Decals Inc.is pleased to announce a new decal added to our line up.

We now offer the EJ&E decal designed for the green forty footer. This is the systems map scheme. You may view this set on maskislanddecals.com . Look under freight and find this set in the EJ&E group.

The set does two cars and sells for $7.00.

Thank you. Hopefully see you in Chicago.

Hubert Mask

Re: NP WOOD REFER COLOR

O Fenton Wells
 

Yessir you’re correct, getting old and memory issues I’m afraid.
Thanks Gary


On Oct 5, 2019, at 5:21 PM, gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:

The W&R cars are painted brass imports.  Norwest produced the resin kits for these reefers and like you, I have some to build.

Gary Laakso
Northwest of Mike Brock


On Oct 5, 2019, at 1:31 PM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

Nice looking cars Wiliam.  What yellow and orange did you use?  Anything special.  I still have to build the NP reefer by W&R
Fenton

On Sat, Oct 5, 2019 at 4:24 PM WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:

<DSCN2057.jpg><DSCN2050.jpg>

I found the W&R flier with Bill McKeown’s comments on the color for NP’s wood refers.  Gary Lasko covered all of the points in his recent post.

Above are tow of W&R’s offerings of these cars.  As I have previously noted for a while my freight car roster was heavily weighted with cars from Pacific Northwest railroads.  That was due to the quality of W & R’s offerings.

Bill Pardie



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Re: NP WOOD REFER COLOR

gary laakso
 

The W&R cars are painted brass imports.  Norwest produced the resin kits for these reefers and like you, I have some to build.

Gary Laakso
Northwest of Mike Brock


On Oct 5, 2019, at 1:31 PM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

Nice looking cars Wiliam.  What yellow and orange did you use?  Anything special.  I still have to build the NP reefer by W&R
Fenton

On Sat, Oct 5, 2019 at 4:24 PM WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:

<DSCN2057.jpg><DSCN2050.jpg>

I found the W&R flier with Bill McKeown’s comments on the color for NP’s wood refers.  Gary Lasko covered all of the points in his recent post.

Above are tow of W&R’s offerings of these cars.  As I have previously noted for a while my freight car roster was heavily weighted with cars from Pacific Northwest railroads.  That was due to the quality of W & R’s offerings.

Bill Pardie



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Re: PHOTO HELP NEEDED - AGAIN

Tim O'Connor
 


the size no doubt varied over time right?


On 10/5/2019 4:03 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:


As with Gene Diemling’s recent post on revisiting older models I find that I Am spending a fair amount of time upgrading some of my earlier models.  Early on I built models following the manufacturer’s instructions.  I did not have much access to anything else. One concern that I have with the earlier Westerfield car above is with the size of the buzz saw herald.  Ed Hawkins a while back informed me that most early heralds were 30” in diameter.  the one on the car above is less than that.
I recently found the end photo  (below) of a car wioth exactly the same number.  It appears to be a builders photo.  Does anone know or have access to the side view of the builders photo?
Thanbksin advancde for any help:

Bill

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