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Re: Video: Forgotten Chicago

Denny Anspach
 

This is a great video, camera facing steadily west, apparently taken c. 1946-48 from either a PRR or (pre-GM&O) Alton passenger train about to arrive at Chicago Union Station. The string of FOM-liveried PRR cars is on the south leg of the wye formed by the Burlington main line arriving from the west teeing against the north/south PRR/Alton lines that will entering the station together. This handy-dandy wye (using the Burlington main line) was AFIK used by all railroads at CUS (save the Milwaukee) to turn their trains and still is by Amtrak.

In a relatively recent year, I was on board and actually at the helm of a Lake Michigan-bound yacht, the height of which required the very bridge across the Chicago River depicted in the video to be raised for clearance to pass under. I cringed when I noted that we had stabbed the outbound Amtrak Lake Shore Limited in the process! (the train crew on the ground was on the ground watching us pass by).

The steel open platform Burlington cars (replete with hard turnover rattan seats) were THE standard commute cars on the Aurora commute lines. I spent a childhood lifetime on these cars, freezing in the winter, and roasting in the summer, ashes and the occasional spark from the antique CB&Q 4-6-2s ahead wafting in through the open windows leaving one commonly filthy when stepping off in CUS. The old tea kettles could really get up and move on this superb trackwork when allowed to do so.

These cars were then rebuilt soon after the war by the Burlington with closed vestibules and some sort of crude cooling, as a recall, (to be then be themselves then replaced the beautiful and iconic Budd double deckers about 1952 onwards.

One of the most odd, and most sad memories I have was an eastbound mid-day Chicago-bound commute local (with an RPO and baggage being worked) trailed by several open platform coaches stopping patiently at the Riverside, IL depot c. 1949, the motive power a recently demoted still handsome and shiny shovel-nosed EMD/Budd Zephyr locomotive nosed right up to the Riverside Road village grade crossing. How the mighty had fallen, and how fortuitous it was that the weather required no train heat (these locomotives had NO steam generators for train heat). In the background out of sight somewhere was a recently sadly-retired 4-6-2 itself now indirectly replaced by a brand new E-7.

This has brought up a lot of good memories.

Denny

Denny S. Anspach MD
Okoboji, IA

Re: [PassengerCarList] Video: Forgotten Chicago

Charlie Vlk
 

The CB&Q open-platform cars Denny mentions have an interesting history.
Some of the cars seen are actually stretched wood cars (the cars with the
longer wheelbase trucks) that had been steel sheathed in 1926.
As the conversion program got underway an official asked to look at the
costs associated with the project and determined that applying new steel
underframe/platforms and rebuilding worn-out wood bodies to fit was not
economical and ordered the program shut down. The Bettendorf steel
underframes on hand were instead applied to brand new steel bodies and new
trucks.
The open platforms were retained until the all steel cars in the commuter
fleet were upgraded with closed vestibules, remodeled interiors and air
conditioning. This was in conjunction with the arrival of the Budd
stainless steel gallery bilevel cars in 1949-50 which also included building
power cars for train lighting and air conditioning on the heavyweight cars.
The gallery cars had Waukesha propane A/C. The steel sheathed cars went
into work train service and lasted through the 1960s.
Charlie Vlk

Re: [PassengerCarList] Video: Forgotten Chicago

Charlie Vlk
 

Group-
Sorry for the cross-post; I didn't notice that Denny had included the STMFC
in one email.
Sorry for the unintentional non-freight car content!
Charlie Vlk

Re: [PassengerCarList] Video: Forgotten Chicago

Steve and Barb Hile
 

There were interesting freight cars in the video, too, along with wonderful
buildings etc.

Steve Hile

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Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 1:08 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] [PassengerCarList] Video: Forgotten Chicago

Group-
Sorry for the cross-post; I didn't notice that Denny had included the STMFC
in one email.
Sorry for the unintentional non-freight car content!
Charlie Vlk

Re: [PassengerCarList] Video: Forgotten Chicago

Dennis Storzek
 

Wait a second, Charlie. Everybody knows commuter coaches are AAR mechanical designation "S" along with the rest of the cattle cars.

Dennis Storzek

FS: Ted Cullota Book

Scott H. Haycock
 

Steam Era Freight Cars Reference Manual, Vol. 1: Box and Automobile Cars. This book is in excellent Condition.

Asking $50.00 including Media Mail shipping to the Lower 48 States. Insurance, $3.00 additional.

Reply OFF LIST o shhaycockAtcomcastDOTnet

Scott Haycock

SEEKING PHOTO HELP

WILLIAM PARDIE
 




Early last month there was a series of posts on ALTERED USRA SINGLE SHEATH BOX CAR PHOTOS.  One of the photos in this series was an altered D&H car.  Ted Culottacovered this car in his Essential Freight Car series.  The main change was to a Viking roof.

I was unable to extract the photo at that time and kept the post on my computor.  Yesterday I noticed that it had somehow escaped.

I have not had any luck in the files section.

Any help or clues would be appreciated.

Bill Pardie


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
Date: 8/23/19 8:50 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] [PassengerCarList] Video: Forgotten Chicago

Wait a second, Charlie. Everybody knows commuter coaches are AAR mechanical designation "S" along with the rest of the cattle cars.

Dennis Storzek

Re: [PassengerCarList] Video: Forgotten Chicago

Thomas Evans
 

Thanks, Charlie,

I had really wondered about those very odd-looking commuter cars with their tiny windows, but hesitated to ask since they are off-topic.

Tom

Re: SEEKING PHOTO HELP

Brian Carlson
 

Bill I’m not sure if it’s the same photo but Matt Forsyth has a few here.

http://mattforsyth.com/?p=424 


Brian J. Carlson 

On Aug 23, 2019, at 8:39 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:




Early last month there was a series of posts on ALTERED USRA SINGLE SHEATH BOX CAR PHOTOS.  One of the photos in this series was an altered D&H car.  Ted Culottacovered this car in his Essential Freight Car series.  The main change was to a Viking roof.

I was unable to extract the photo at that time and kept the post on my computor.  Yesterday I noticed that it had somehow escaped.

I have not had any luck in the files section.

Any help or clues would be appreciated.

Bill Pardie


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
Date: 8/23/19 8:50 AM (GMT-10:00)
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] [PassengerCarList] Video: Forgotten Chicago

Wait a second, Charlie. Everybody knows commuter coaches are AAR mechanical designation "S" along with the rest of the cattle cars.

Dennis Storzek

Re: SEEKING PHOTO HELP

Dave Parker
 

Bill: 

The FILES section is not going to help you.  It seems that nobody has uploaded anything to it since the Admin test over a year ago.

There are some photo ALBUMS that members have posted, but more likely what you seek is the the EMAILED PHOTOS album within the PHOTOS section (unless we have used up our memory quota in which case the older photos get spooled off into computer heaven).  Unfortunately, that resource is a true stream-of-consciousness record of every photo shared, often with multiple copies due to resharing and replying.  There is no index or the like, so unless you can guess the file name and search for it, you might have to scroll back in time and look for it.

Or, you can try finding the original post in the MESSAGES section; the photo should still be attached to it.

Or, somebody may save you time by resending the photo.

It is for this reason that when I see a photo of interest here, I try to grab it ASAP.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA

Re: SEEKING PHOTO HELP

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Thanks to Dave's advise I was able to go back through Messages and found the original under Mid-Century Box Cars V2 (1) pdf.  It has the photo of D&H car #17432  Reweigh CI 5-31.

Thanks to Brian's response I was able to determine that not all cars in this series received Viking roofs.  17432 apparently does not have the Viking roof.  Now more work for me..

Also now how do I extract the photo.

Thanks all:

Bill Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: "Dave Parker via Groups.Io" <spottab@...>
Date: 8/23/19 4:50 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SEEKING PHOTO HELP

Bill: 

The FILES section is not going to help you.  It seems that nobody has uploaded anything to it since the Admin test over a year ago.

There are some photo ALBUMS that members have posted, but more likely what you seek is the the EMAILED PHOTOS album within the PHOTOS section (unless we have used up our memory quota in which case the older photos get spooled off into computer heaven).  Unfortunately, that resource is a true stream-of-consciousness record of every photo shared, often with multiple copies due to resharing and replying.  There is no index or the like, so unless you can guess the file name and search for it, you might have to scroll back in time and look for it.

Or, you can try finding the original post in the MESSAGES section; the photo should still be attached to it.

Or, somebody may save you time by resending the photo.

It is for this reason that when I see a photo of interest here, I try to grab it ASAP.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA

SEEKING PHOTO HELP

Andy Carlson
 

Bill, to capture photos off of your screen requires a software called Screen Capture.
If you had a Mac, all you would have to do is click 3 buttons and hold down the mouse and drag over the image you wish to capture. I do this constantly and would hate to give up this feature. I would suggest that you search for a "Screen Capture" and download into your computer. This is also helpful for sites which don't allow the even easier "Drag & Drop", but that is another Mac item.

Tim O'Connor has stated for years that nothing can't be captured from a computer. Just a little harder for a windows system. Perhaps he will share the technique.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

Re: SEEKING PHOTO HELP

Matthew Metoyer
 

Windows 8 (?) & 10 computers include a program called 'snipping tool'. The icon looks like a pair of scissors. It allows you to create a photo file of whatever is on your screen. 

Matthew Metoyer
Santa Maria CA

On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 10:27 PM Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:
Bill, to capture photos off of your screen requires a software called Screen Capture.
If you had a Mac, all you would have to do is click 3 buttons and hold down the mouse and drag over the image you wish to capture. I do this constantly and would hate to give up this feature. I would suggest that you search for a "Screen Capture" and download into your computer. This is also helpful for sites which don't allow the even easier "Drag & Drop", but that is another Mac item.

Tim O'Connor has stated for years that nothing can't be captured from a computer. Just a little harder for a windows system. Perhaps he will share the technique.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

Re: MEK Substitute and current plastic cements

 

Bill et al,

There are two versions of the Tamiya Extra Thin!

One with the darker green label is thick enough / slow enough to be able to brush it on and then position the parts.

The other with the lighter green label and the words “Quick Setting” evaporates almost immediately and is designed to be flowed into gaps via capillary action.

Colin ‘t Hart
Frösön, Sweden

Re: SEEKING PHOTO HELP

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Dave and Friends,

I tried to upload to the files section a few months ago, but my load failed. Maybe that's why nobody has posted there for so long.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 8/23/2019 10:50 PM, Dave Parker via Groups.Io wrote:
Bill: 

The FILES section is not going to help you.  It seems that nobody has uploaded anything to it since the Admin test over a year ago.

There are some photo ALBUMS that members have posted, but more likely what you seek is the the EMAILED PHOTOS album within the PHOTOS section (unless we have used up our memory quota in which case the older photos get spooled off into computer heaven).  Unfortunately, that resource is a true stream-of-consciousness record of every photo shared, often with multiple copies due to resharing and replying.  There is no index or the like, so unless you can guess the file name and search for it, you might have to scroll back in time and look for it.

Or, you can try finding the original post in the MESSAGES section; the photo should still be attached to it.

Or, somebody may save you time by resending the photo.

It is for this reason that when I see a photo of interest here, I try to grab it ASAP.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA


Re: SEEKING PHOTO HELP

Brent Greer
 

On most PC keyboards you will see a button marked "print screen". (Sometimes it may be a shift or control function key - you may have to play around with it)

Pressing tg his button takes a snapshot of whatever image is on your monitor at that moment.

If you then open the "Paint" application (in windows accessories) you can the paste the screen captures and edit out whatever you don't want.   Then save the image.

Brent

________________________________
Dr. J. Brent Greer


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Andy Carlson <midcentury@...>
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 1:27:20 AM
To: pardiew001@... <pardiew001@...>; STMFC <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] SEEKING PHOTO HELP
 
Bill, to capture photos off of your screen requires a software called Screen Capture.
If you had a Mac, all you would have to do is click 3 buttons and hold down the mouse and drag over the image you wish to capture. I do this constantly and would hate to give up this feature. I would suggest that you search for a "Screen Capture" and download into your computer. This is also helpful for sites which don't allow the even easier "Drag & Drop", but that is another Mac item.

Tim O'Connor has stated for years that nothing can't be captured from a computer. Just a little harder for a windows system. Perhaps he will share the technique.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

Re: SEEKING PHOTO HELP

Tim O'Connor
 


every PC keyboard I've used has a "print screen" button! the screen is copied to
the "clipboard". then I open photoshop, create a new file from the clipboard, and
trim the picture to suit my need. easy peasy.

with Firefox, to steal a web site image file (not just a snapshot of the screen)
you choose TOOLS->PAGE INFO->MEDIA. then scroll through the image files (including
the "copy protected" ones the web sites lie to their customers and tell them the
files are safe) and save the ones you want to your hard drive. also easy peasy.

on Androids just click on a "volume" control button and the "power" button together
and wait for the "camera click". the screen is now saved to your files.

the rule is: if you can SEE it, then you can download it.

Tim O'Connor



On 8/24/2019 2:28 AM, Matthew Metoyer wrote:
Windows 8 (?) & 10 computers include a program called 'snipping tool'. The icon looks like a pair of scissors. It allows you to create a photo file of whatever is on your screen. 

Matthew Metoyer
Santa Maria CA

On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 10:27 PM Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:
Bill, to capture photos off of your screen requires a software called Screen Capture.
If you had a Mac, all you would have to do is click 3 buttons and hold down the mouse and drag over the image you wish to capture. I do this constantly and would hate to give up this feature. I would suggest that you search for a "Screen Capture" and download into your computer. This is also helpful for sites which don't allow the even easier "Drag & Drop", but that is another Mac item.

Tim O'Connor has stated for years that nothing can't be captured from a computer. Just a little harder for a windows system. Perhaps he will share the technique.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: SEEKING PHOTO HELP

BRIAN PAUL EHNI
 

Macs don’t have a print screen, but the same general rules apply:

To capture the entire screen display, press CMD+SHIFT+3 together.

To capture a specific part of the screen, press CMD+SHIFT+4 together, then use the mouse to select what you want.

The screenshot JPG will appear on your desktop, and can be edited with any number of programs

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Saturday, August 24, 2019 at 7:13 AM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SEEKING PHOTO HELP

 


every PC keyboard I've used has a "print screen" button! the screen is copied to
the "clipboard". then I open photoshop, create a new file from the clipboard, and
trim the picture to suit my need. easy peasy.

with Firefox, to steal a web site image file (not just a snapshot of the screen)
you choose TOOLS->PAGE INFO->MEDIA. then scroll through the image files (including
the "copy protected" ones the web sites lie to their customers and tell them the
files are safe) and save the ones you want to your hard drive. also easy peasy.

on Androids just click on a "volume" control button and the "power" button together
and wait for the "camera click". the screen is now saved to your files.

the rule is: if you can SEE it, then you can download it.

Tim O'Connor



On 8/24/2019 2:28 AM, Matthew Metoyer wrote:

Windows 8 (?) & 10 computers include a program called 'snipping tool'. The icon looks like a pair of scissors. It allows you to create a photo file of whatever is on your screen. 

 

Matthew Metoyer

Santa Maria CA

 

On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 10:27 PM Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:

Bill, to capture photos off of your screen requires a software called Screen Capture.

If you had a Mac, all you would have to do is click 3 buttons and hold down the mouse and drag over the image you wish to capture. I do this constantly and would hate to give up this feature. I would suggest that you search for a "Screen Capture" and download into your computer. This is also helpful for sites which don't allow the even easier "Drag & Drop", but that is another Mac item.

 

Tim O'Connor has stated for years that nothing can't be captured from a computer. Just a little harder for a windows system. Perhaps he will share the technique.

-Andy Carlson

Ojai CA

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: SEEKING PHOTO HELP

Bruce Smith
 

Folks,


SERIOUSLY? What Bill has been looking at is a .pdf file.  

http://www.foxvalleydivision.org/fvd2016/imagesfvd2016/clinicdata/Mid-Century%20Boxcars%20V2.pdf


It was not an "attachment" (as stated by Bill) and it is not a protected image. What was included in the original email was a LINK to a PDF of a presentation. By far, the simplest thing for Bill to do is to click on the link and download the entire PDF. On my Mac, all you do is hover over the open PDF and a button bar appears that includes a download icon.


Once that file is downloaded, you may be able to extract the image (if you have the full version of Acrobat) or you may have to use some of the screen shot tricks that others have discussed... but it isn't "protected" and it isn't very hard to do...


Of course, you could also be polite and email the author of the presentation that you are pulling photos out of and ask for a copy of the photo 😉. A little hunting at the parent web site shows that would be a Mr. George Trandel, who presented this clinic in February of 2018.


Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

Re: SEEKING PHOTO HELP

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks Bruce, I had not seen this before nad it has some good basic info.  Thanks for sharing
fenton

On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 10:26 AM Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Folks,


SERIOUSLY? What Bill has been looking at is a .pdf file.  

http://www.foxvalleydivision.org/fvd2016/imagesfvd2016/clinicdata/Mid-Century%20Boxcars%20V2.pdf


It was not an "attachment" (as stated by Bill) and it is not a protected image. What was included in the original email was a LINK to a PDF of a presentation. By far, the simplest thing for Bill to do is to click on the link and download the entire PDF. On my Mac, all you do is hover over the open PDF and a button bar appears that includes a download icon.


Once that file is downloaded, you may be able to extract the image (if you have the full version of Acrobat) or you may have to use some of the screen shot tricks that others have discussed... but it isn't "protected" and it isn't very hard to do...


Of course, you could also be polite and email the author of the presentation that you are pulling photos out of and ask for a copy of the photo 😉. A little hunting at the parent web site shows that would be a Mr. George Trandel, who presented this clinic in February of 2018.


Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL



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