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Re: SEEKING PHOTO HELP

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Thanks to all who responded with quality suggestions to my phoat question.  Thanks to you I was able to transfer the photo to my desktop and can enlarge it to almost full screen.

Wow! Normnally when I have a computor problem I have to go out on the street and get a teenager for help.  This is even better.

Thanks again:

Bill PAadie
 
 

On Aug 23, 2019, at 8:28 PM, Matthew Metoyer <mmetoyer@...> wrote:

Windows 8 (?) & 10 computers include a program called 'snipping tool'. The icon looks like a pair of scissors. It allows you to create a photo file of whatever is on your screen. 

Matthew Metoyer
Santa Maria CA

On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 10:27 PM Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:
Bill, to capture photos off of your screen requires a software called Screen Capture.
If you had a Mac, all you would have to do is click 3 buttons and hold down the mouse and drag over the image you wish to capture. I do this constantly and would hate to give up this feature. I would suggest that you search for a "Screen Capture" and download into your computer. This is also helpful for sites which don't allow the even easier "Drag & Drop", but that is another Mac item.

Tim O'Connor has stated for years that nothing can't be captured from a computer. Just a little harder for a windows system. Perhaps he will share the technique.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA



Re: Terms For Freight Car Parts

Dennis Storzek
 

On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 10:27 AM, mark_landgraf wrote:
Turnout vs switch
No issues there. They are both prototype terms... for different things. A turnout is the whole assemblage of rails that allow one track to become two. A switch is only the movable rails, throwbar, etc. As I always say, "a trainman can line a switch, but it takes a whole track gang to line a turnout."

Dennis Storzek

Re: SEEKING PHOTO HELP (Terms For Freight Car Parts)

Donald B. Valentine
 

Congratulations Bob Webber because if one can't laugh at themselves they have no right to laugh at anyone else!

My best, Don Valentine

Re: Terms For Freight Car Parts

Nelson Moyer
 

Bob, you forgot the distinction between swing plug door and sliding plug door reefers ; )

This topic has been thrashed to death, and to my knowledge, nobody has changed their usage based upon learned discussion of relevant information. Well almost nobody. I stopped referring to plug door refers for sliding plug door reefers after being educated by Bill Welch, and I dropped the terms outside braced for single sheathed, stirrup step of sill step, and roof walk for running board after being educated by a hose of experts. Unfortunately, until manufacturers and authors use 'proper' terminology, you can't expect the great unwashed to follow suit. But I've made that argument before.

Nelson Moyer

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Webber
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 11:54 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Terms For Freight Car Parts

This might launch a large discussion..but....

Before you define those terms, better define "proper" - esp. which context you wish to use it in.

Proper may mean what is proper within the group, within the hobby, by hobby manufacturers, authors, railroaders (and that's by division within railroad), by railroad correspondence, by car manufacturer..etc. etc..

Sidestep & Sill Step (and corner step) are used by Standard Steel drawings & references. With over 60,000 drawings scanned from Pullman, Pullman-Standard, Haskell & Barker, Standard Steel and others - the only mention of "stirrup" is in the use in conjunction with posts or daft gear rigging - where its function was to support (not step).

Roof walk has not been used in the drawings, running board has been.

(you can add outside braced to the topic and enjoy more opinions)

Why do I say you must define "proper".

I was discussing the term "Harriman" in conjunction with passenger cars, saying it would be better to use the term "Common Standard". One participant, who had spent many years on the C&NW took umbrage, and said he didn't know what "Common Standard" was but he sure knew a "Harriman" car when he saw it!!! "There was a Harriman car in the yards in Chicago that's now at the Illinois Railroad Museum, and everyone called in Harriman rather than Common Standard!". Looking at the car, I found the car in question was an ex-C&O arched roof combine - neither Harriman (sic) nor Common Standard - a completely different design. Yet...this was a man who had spent a lot of time on railroads, insisting the use was proper
and more so than the "proper" term. Who was right?

I have heard railroaders, manufacturers and others use all the terms above. Does use in the industry indicate "proper" use? How many authors have used these terms? Many. Proper? How many reference books have used these terms? Many. What then is indicative of a
"proper" use? I have my opinion on this one - colored by what I do
& see now. I'm not going to say one is more proper. It depends on context and intent. People on this list have tried to instill the use of proper terms - terms used by the manufacturers of the object, and the MCB use (among others). In a sense - just as will clinics and the more scholarly papers there is a certain trust that the use of a term will be proper use. Your mileage may very.


At 10:58 AM 8/24/2019, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:

I noticed two terms for freight car parts in Mr. Trandel's presentation
are in conflict with terms I usually see used on this group.

The author used "roof walk" for "running board" and "stirrup step"
for "sill step".

Which terms are preferred/correct?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA
Bob Webber

Re: Terms For Freight Car Parts

Bob Chaparro
 

Well, your dissertation on the word "proper" is all well and good.

But I never used the word "proper" nor did anyone else in this discussion to date. But I do get your point.

I already knew the Master Car Builders preferred running board(s). Maybe somebody else has an authoritative reference for roof walk. (Athearn doesn't count.)

Sill step vs. stirrup I wasn't so certain about and you appear to have a strong reference source.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

(Terms For Freight Car Parts)

Bob Webber
 

Yes (thanks!)...I likely should have added an emoticon or whatever - I have known Tony (longer than he's known me...) and he wouldn't apply anything like that on purpose - and it was wrong of me to not indicate that much. (and I hope no one takes it that I laugh at someone ...I tend now to only laugh at the idiosyncratic mannerisms that I recognize in myself)

As for "proper" vs "preferred/correct" - there was a reason for doing so - the term is shorter and fit the subject...sorry for that confusion.

Many of the non-preferred/incorrect usages come from a conflation of function and "name". For instance - RPO - the term is about function - not type of car (which is mail or postal) - it is prop..er...correctly used when referring to the function of the car - specifically when clerks are working the car. People have since ascribed the function as the type of car. ("Well ..even the Federal Government calls them RPO!" - no ...they call the function RPO).

Stirrup, roof walk, - even outside braced all refer to the assumed functions of that part not the proper terminology for that part. People see a stirrup used to help climb into a saddle and then use the term to name a part that seemingly functions in the same (or similar) manner. Same with roof walk - not knowing the proper term, they name it after the function - literally walking on roofs. The real problem is that people tend to miss the true function of an object because they are programmed to see things that are similar and that is the reference point.


At 06:37 PM 8/24/2019, Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io wrote:
Congratulations Bob Webber because if one can't laugh at themselves they have no right to laugh at anyone else!

My best, Don Valentine
Bob Webber

Square corner RC box cars

Clark Propst
 

I just got some Red Caboose 1937 box car kits. Two of the kits are from the CL CGW mini-kit from a couple years ago. Upon inspection the two Des Plaines Hobbies undec kits appear to be square corner models. Were all the CL/DP kits square corner? If in fact they are I would like to sell the two I have or trade them for (W) round corner kits.

If interested in buying or trading please contact me off list at cepropst@q.com
Thanks
CW Propst

Re: MEK Substitute and current plastic cements

gnryfan
 

Our local Lowe's has it...Ace is too small a volume to bother with it any more.
Joe Berger
Indiana

Re: Square corner RC box cars

O Fenton Wells
 

Clark, I can trade the two sq corners for W corners.  If you want I will check my stock


On Sun, Aug 25, 2019 at 11:07 AM Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:
I just got some Red Caboose 1937 box car kits. Two of the kits are from the CL CGW mini-kit from a couple years ago. Upon inspection the two Des Plaines Hobbies undec kits appear to be square corner models. Were all the CL/DP kits square corner? If in fact they are I would like to sell the two I have or trade them for (W) round corner kits.

If interested in buying or trading please contact me off list at cepropst@q.com
Thanks
CW Propst



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PM box car - unusual ends?

Richard Brennan
 

Ref: http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-08-25-19/X7535.jpg

From the Erie Lakawanna list, PM 91493 - double-door steel box car on the left...
What type of end is this?
Thin-thin-Fat... Thin-thin-Fat... Thin-thin ...

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Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
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Re: PM box car - unusual ends?

Richard Townsend
 

Without knowing the proper nomenclature <g>, I would say it is a reversed 3-3-3 dreadnaught end.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Brennan <rbrennan@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Aug 25, 2019 9:07 am
Subject: [RealSTMFC] PM box car - unusual ends?


From the Erie Lakawanna list, PM 91493 - double-door steel box car on the left...
What type of end is this?
Thin-thin-Fat... Thin-thin-Fat... Thin-thin ...

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Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
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Re: PM box car - unusual ends?

Richard Townsend
 

or 2-3-3.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Townsend via Groups.Io <richtownsend@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Aug 25, 2019 9:31 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PM box car - unusual ends?

Without knowing the proper nomenclature <g>, I would say it is a reversed 3-3-3 dreadnaught end.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Brennan <rbrennan@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Aug 25, 2019 9:07 am
Subject: [RealSTMFC] PM box car - unusual ends?


From the Erie Lakawanna list, PM 91493 - double-door steel box car on the left...
What type of end is this?
Thin-thin-Fat... Thin-thin-Fat... Thin-thin ...

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Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
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Susquehanna 40’ boxcars c1940-48

Brad Andonian
 

Fellas

I am seeking info on early steel or wood 40’ boxcars.   Build dates type etc appreciated!    I only see repaint images in the green scheme in my searches.  Of course a black white image would be perfect.

Many thanks for any help,
Brad Andonian 



Re: Susquehanna 40’ boxcars c1940-48

al_brown03
 

I'm away from my '43 ORER, but I'm not sure if NYS&W had any 40' boxcars in the forties. They had ex-Erie 36' Fowler boxcars (Westerfield 4300-series kits). I'll look when I get home. 

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

Re: PM box car - unusual ends?

Tim O'Connor
 

You're looking at the backside view of most dreadnaught ends (with variations
in the number of ribs and panels). Some call them "reverse dreadnaughts" and I've
heard "inverse dreadnaught" as well.

On 8/25/2019 12:07 PM, Richard Brennan wrote:
Ref: http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-08-25-19/X7535.jpg

From the Erie Lakawanna list, PM 91493 - double-door steel box car on the left...
What type of end is this?
Thin-thin-Fat... Thin-thin-Fat... Thin-thin ...

--------------------
Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*

Murphy Rectangular Panel roof

 

Does anyone have or know of a source for a rectangular panel roof for a 50' boxcar? I have a Branchline Blueprint series car that I need this for. As a last resort I could probably modify a couple of 40' Atlas AAR roofs to work. Any comments would be helpful.  

Thanks in advance,

Dave Strahlendorf
Erlanger, Ky

Re: Murphy Rectangular Panel roof

Tim O'Connor
 


Tom Madden years ago made replacement cast resin roofs (using spliced
IMWX/RC roofs for the master) for the Proto 2000 box cars that had incorrect
roofs. The roofs drop right onto the Branchline car body.

This would be a GOOD PART for Pierre to add to the Yarmouth product line. :-)

Tim O'Connor




On 8/25/2019 2:35 PM, Dave Strahlendorf wrote:
Does anyone have or know of a source for a rectangular panel roof for a 50' boxcar? I have a Branchline Blueprint series car that I need this for. As a last resort I could probably modify a couple of 40' Atlas AAR roofs to work. Any comments would be helpful.  

Thanks in advance,

Dave Strahlendorf
Erlanger, Ky

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: PM box car - unusual ends?

Tony Thompson
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:

You're looking at the backside view of most dreadnaught ends (with variations
in the number of ribs and panels). Some call them "reverse dreadnaughts" and I've
heard "inverse dreadnaught" as well.
I don't see this as a reverse end at all. I think people are being confused by the two wider ribs, probably located at seams where pieces of the end are joined together. It might be a RECESSED end, in which the corrugations look pressed INTO the end, rather than proud of its surface, but I'm not sure if that's the case.

Tony Thompson
tony@...

HO Styrene brake lever pairs

Andy Carlson
 

Hello-

I have more Cal Scale plastic brake levers that I could use in multiple lifetimes.

I am offering sprues of 6 pairs of these HO brake levers. All are equipped with 3 cores for wires and pins.
Buyer to get 6 pairs of a single large lever and a 2nd smaller lever (enough for 6 freight cars) for $2.50. These are the levers which came in the Cal Scale AB Brake set for many years. I will include shipping with this price.

These are all new old stock. I accept checks and money orders. With a small fee I also accept PayPal. As always, please contact me Off-List at <midcentury@...>
Thanks,
-Andy

Re: PM box car - unusual ends?

Schleigh Mike
 

The book, PM Revenue Freight Cars, Million & Paton, page 92, refers to these ends as "three-piece "recessed" type Dreadnaught ends."

Regards from Sunny Grove City in western Penna......Mike Schleigh

On Sunday, August 25, 2019, 3:02:28 PM EDT, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:


Tim O'Connor wrote:

> You're looking at the backside view of most dreadnaught ends (with variations
> in the number of ribs and panels). Some call them "reverse dreadnaughts" and I've
> heard "inverse dreadnaught" as well.

    I don't see this as a reverse end at all. I think people are being confused by the two wider ribs, probably located at seams where pieces of the end are joined together. It might be a RECESSED end, in which the corrugations look pressed INTO the end, rather than proud of its surface, but I'm not sure if that's the case.

Tony Thompson
tony@...