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Re: Terms For Freight Car Parts

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Randy,

Tell me about it. I believe I was the one who inadvertently introduced the term "Gould Standard" to the hobby some 30 years ago (to my shame!). I used it to describe the Haskell & Barker cabooses used by the various Gould railroads--WP, D&RGW and MP. I put this in quotes, but to my surprise and horror it slipped into the mainstream and has appeared magazine articles and even otherwise well-researched books, implying that this was an official Gould program. Although the Gould roads did use some common equipment designs, AFAIK the commonality was more a matter of purchasing convenience and economies of scale than a serious attempt at uniformity. In short, there was no Gould Standard.

I wish I had never used the term.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 8/31/2019 9:36 AM, Randy Hammill wrote:

. . . But perhaps the person who coined it had a very specific use in mind which has been lost in time. That’s a problem with invented terms, because the meaning can vary over time, where the published term was fixed at the time of publication. It doesn’t mean that it won’t ever change, nor that there may not be multiple terms in use. But at least there’s industry documentation to refer to . . . .


Randy 
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Randy Hammill
Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954
http://newbritainstation.com

SAL "STB" Logo on Boxcars

Allen Cain
 

When did the "STB" emblem appear on SAL boxcars?  Also, what does it designate?

Allen Cain

Re: SAL "STB" Logo on Boxcars

Tim O'Connor
 


They are just a particular brand of "damage free" load devices

      Spartan Loader: SL
 Spartan Easy Loader: SEL
    Spartan Tri Belt: STB

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On 8/31/2019 1:14 PM, Allen Cain wrote:
When did the "STB" emblem appear on SAL boxcars?  Also, what does it designate?

Allen Cain

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Accurail part#131 36' floor parts

Robert kirkham
 

Was looking at the Accurail site, and considering  ordering their 36’ floors and brake sprues to retrofit some non-Accurail Fowler cars I have.    I had some questions about the parts.  It isn’t entirely clear to me that the part #131 36’ straight underframe and detail set is the same part as used on their #1100 series Fowler cars.    The listings are at: http://www.accurail.com/accurail/parts.htm.

 

Has anyone ordered the parts and able to answer whether they are the same or explain the differences? 

 

Obviously, this is a project that will require some part modifications, so I’m not too fussy here.  Just trying to avoid ordering the wrong stuff.   

 

Rob Kirkham    

Re: Accurail part#131 36' floor parts

Eric Hansmann
 

The straight underframe part is the same as the Fowler kit underframes. There are a few extra parts.

Overall the main underframe casting is the same for the three different 36-foot Accurail boxcar kits. The centersill, cross member, and brake hardware parts are what varies between the straight and fishbelly centersill versions. 


Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN



On August 31, 2019 at 12:10 PM Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:

Was looking at the Accurail site, and considering  ordering their 36’ floors and brake sprues to retrofit some non-Accurail Fowler cars I have.    I had some questions about the parts.  It isn’t entirely clear to me that the part #131 36’ straight underframe and detail set is the same part as used on their #1100 series Fowler cars.    The listings are at: http://www.accurail.com/accurail/parts.htm.

 

Has anyone ordered the parts and able to answer whether they are the same or explain the differences? 

 

Obviously, this is a project that will require some part modifications, so I’m not too fussy here.  Just trying to avoid ordering the wrong stuff.   

 

Rob Kirkham    


 


Flat car sides

Richard Townsend
 

Both the Revell/Concor (53'6") and Model Power (50') flat cars have sides where the slope down to the fishbelly begins at about the third stake pocket from the end and reaches full depth between the fourth and fifth stake pockets. Question: were there ANY prototype flat cars of ANY length that had sides like that? All I have seen have much shallower slopes to the full depth.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


Re: Accurail part#131 36' floor parts

Robert kirkham
 

Thanks Eric

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 11:16 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Accurail part#131 36' floor parts

 

The straight underframe part is the same as the Fowler kit underframes. There are a few extra parts.

Overall the main underframe casting is the same for the three different 36-foot Accurail boxcar kits. The centersill, cross member, and brake hardware parts are what varies between the straight and fishbelly centersill versions. 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

On August 31, 2019 at 12:10 PM Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:

Was looking at the Accurail site, and considering  ordering their 36’ floors and brake sprues to retrofit some non-Accurail Fowler cars I have.    I had some questions about the parts.  It isn’t entirely clear to me that the part #131 36’ straight underframe and detail set is the same part as used on their #1100 series Fowler cars.    The listings are at: http://www.accurail.com/accurail/parts.htm.

 

Has anyone ordered the parts and able to answer whether they are the same or explain the differences? 

 

Obviously, this is a project that will require some part modifications, so I’m not too fussy here.  Just trying to avoid ordering the wrong stuff.   

 

Rob Kirkham    


 

 

Re: Flat car sides

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Richard,

Consider WP 50' flat cars 2351-2400 (PC&F, 1937) and identical 2401-2700 (AC&F, 1942). The slope started just outboard of the 3rd stake pocket, actually just about mid-way between the truck spring pack and the journal box, and sloped down to even with the 5th stake pocket. Being 50' cars, they had 16 pockets on each side: https://wplives.org/collectionpageimages/freightcarimages/flatcars/wpmw_8674_022709_DSC_4645.jpg . Chad Boas offers a partial resin kit for these cars--underframe, sides and end sills cast in one piece, with a one-piece scribed wooden deck. You supply everything else.

I had one of the Con-Cor/Revell flat cars, and seem to remember the side sill was very deep, maybe because the the deck rode high, making the the narrow end parts of the side sill taller than they should have been. Model Power? Well, what else can I say . . . . it's Model Power.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 8/31/2019 2:29 PM, Richard Townsend via Groups.Io wrote:
Both the Revell/Concor (53'6") and Model Power (50') flat cars have sides where the slope down to the fishbelly begins at about the third stake pocket from the end and reaches full depth between the fourth and fifth stake pockets. Question: were there ANY prototype flat cars of ANY length that had sides like that? All I have seen have much shallower slopes to the full depth.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR



Two Single Sheathed Boxcars with Spliced Youngstown Doors

gary laakso
 

While at the angle of the picture, the doors seem to be spliced, they could be door and a half.  Does anyone recognize these cars?  The side ladders are short with 7 steps and likely two grab irons.   

 

https://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/uploads/r/null/9/1/919547/3d156a5a-8823-4ed0-b90b-f30bc1234c57-A28971.jpg 

 

You need to click on the picture to increase its size.

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

Re: Flat car sides

Richard Townsend
 

I know they are sow's ears, but I like making silk purses and am hoping for a prototype.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Aug 31, 2019 1:50 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Flat car sides

Richard,

Consider WP 50' flat cars 2351-2400 (PC&F, 1937) and identical 2401-2700 (AC&F, 1942). The slope started just outboard of the 3rd stake pocket, actually just about mid-way between the truck spring pack and the journal box, and sloped down to even with the 5th stake pocket. Being 50' cars, they had 16 pockets on each side: https://wplives.org/collectionpageimages/freightcarimages/flatcars/wpmw_8674_022709_DSC_4645.jpg . Chad Boas offers a partial resin kit for these cars--underframe, sides and end sills cast in one piece, with a one-piece scribed wooden deck. You supply everything else.

I had one of the Con-Cor/Revell flat cars, and seem to remember the side sill was very deep, maybe because the the deck rode high, making the the narrow end parts of the side sill taller than they should have been. Model Power? Well, what else can I say . . . . it's Model Power.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 8/31/2019 2:29 PM, Richard Townsend via Groups.Io wrote:
Both the Revell/Concor (53'6") and Model Power (50') flat cars have sides where the slope down to the fishbelly begins at about the third stake pocket from the end and reaches full depth between the fourth and fifth stake pockets. Question: were there ANY prototype flat cars of ANY length that had sides like that? All I have seen have much shallower slopes to the full depth.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR



Re: SAL "STB" Logo on Boxcars

Allen Cain
 

Thanks Tim, any idea when this marking first appeared on SAL boxcars?
Allen Cain

Re: Flat car sides

Bill Welch
 

Based on article I found in the hobby press—don't remember which magazine or date of—I used the Concor flat to create a very nice and I believe accurate, based on the article, a CB&Q flat car. The kit by that time was intended to be in TOFC service so I had to fill some holes in the deck. I installed new sill steps, grabs, etc.

Bill Welch

Re: Accurail part#131 36' floor parts

Dennis Storzek
 

On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 11:10 AM, Robert kirkham wrote:
Was looking at the Accurail site, and considering  ordering their 36’ floors and brake sprues to retrofit some non-Accurail Fowler cars I have.
Rob, Eric correctly answered you question about the parts. When you get them, you'll note that there are four cross tie parts, but only three slots. The initial planning for the molds used the old Mainline Modeler drawings of the CPR Fowler carss for reference... and the CPR cars used four cross ties. When I actually had better builders drawings in hand, I came to realize that the Fowler cars built for US roads used only three cross ties, but I left the fourth part in case anyone wanted to use it. You'll have to fill the mounting slots with some strip styrene.

Dennis Storzek

Re: Flat car sides

Donald B. Valentine
 

Actually Richard if you take a trip to the Smithsonian you can see a silk purse that Dupont
IIRC made from a sow's ear. I do not know if it was transported there in a STMFC freight car.

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: Accurail part#131 36' floor parts

Robert kirkham
 

Thanks Dennis!  Good to know!

 

Rob

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 6:51 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Accurail part#131 36' floor parts

 

On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 11:10 AM, Robert kirkham wrote:

Was looking at the Accurail site, and considering  ordering their 36’ floors and brake sprues to retrofit some non-Accurail Fowler cars I have.

Rob, Eric correctly answered you question about the parts. When you get them, you'll note that there are four cross tie parts, but only three slots. The initial planning for the molds used the old Mainline Modeler drawings of the CPR Fowler carss for reference... and the CPR cars used four cross ties. When I actually had better builders drawings in hand, I came to realize that the Fowler cars built for US roads used only three cross ties, but I left the fourth part in case anyone wanted to use it. You'll have to fill the mounting slots with some strip styrene.

Dennis Storzek

Re: Mathieson Tank Cars

Bruce Griffin
 

Friends,

To close the loop on this thread, I ended up just buying a second Kadee ACF 11k insulated tank car with the same number as the first for the same bargain price of $30.  I assumed there was a SHPX 2571 roaming the rails with SHPX 2570. I don’t have access to all of my data so if anyone can confirm, it would be good to know, but I assume this to be true in 1950. I was able to easily remove the zero and replace it with a one. I will chronicle this in an upcoming blog. 

There were Mathieson plants shipping and recieving anhydrous ammonia at either end of my modeled section of the B&O Old Main Line, so these cars are appropriate for through freights in my 1950 era. Thank you for the insights.  

Best Regards,
Bruce Griffin
Ashland, MD 

PS for my PRR and NCR friends, I biked the RofW from Ashland 21 miles north to New Freedom and had lunch in the old station before heading home. 

Re: Mathieson Tank Cars

Brian Carlson
 

Per Ed Hawkins handout on the Kadee site. You are good.  You could do 10 cars total :)

On Aug 31, 2019, at 11:36 PM, Bruce Griffin <bdg1210@...> wrote:

Friends,

To close the loop on this thread, I ended up just buying a second Kadee ACF 11k insulated tank car with the same number as the first for the same bargain price of $30.  I assumed there was a SHPX 2571 roaming the rails with SHPX 2570. I don’t have access to all of my data so if anyone can confirm, it would be good to know, but I assume this to be true in 1950. I was able to easily remove the zero and replace it with a one. I will chronicle this in an upcoming blog. 

There were Mathieson plants shipping and recieving anhydrous ammonia at either end of my modeled section of the B&O Old Main Line, so these cars are appropriate for through freights in my 1950 era. Thank you for the insights.  

Best Regards,
Bruce Griffin
Ashland, MD 

PS for my PRR and NCR friends, I biked the RofW from Ashland 21 miles north to New Freedom and had lunch in the old station before heading home. 
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Re: Mathieson Tank Cars

pennsylvania1954
 

Re: SAL "STB" Logo on Boxcars

Tim O'Connor
 


Not later than 1959... perhaps earlier



On 8/31/2019 7:19 PM, Allen Cain wrote:
Thanks Tim, any idea when this marking first appeared on SAL boxcars?
Allen Cain


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: Flat car sides

Tim O'Connor
 


Mainline Modeler - 11/1997 pp.26-29 Greg Martin makes improvements to the model to
  represent the AAR 50 ton flatcar C&O #80694; with HO scale drawings

Mainline Modeler - 7/1992 pp.72-76 article has descriptions of improvements to the
  model to make it a better replica; with scale drawings

Mainline Modeler - 7/1991 pp.29-32 simple changes to underframe and new ends to
  model a
CB&Q FM-13 flatcar; with HO scale drawings



On 8/31/2019 9:09 PM, Bill Welch wrote:
Based on article I found in the hobby press—don't remember which magazine or date of—I used the Concor flat to create a very nice and I believe accurate, based on the article, a CB&Q flat car. The kit by that time was intended to be in TOFC service so I had to fill some holes in the deck. I installed new sill steps, grabs, etc.

Bill Welch 

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts