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Re: Mathieson Tank Cars

Bruce Griffin
 

Friends,

To close the loop on this thread, I ended up just buying a second Kadee ACF 11k insulated tank car with the same number as the first for the same bargain price of $30.  I assumed there was a SHPX 2571 roaming the rails with SHPX 2570. I don’t have access to all of my data so if anyone can confirm, it would be good to know, but I assume this to be true in 1950. I was able to easily remove the zero and replace it with a one. I will chronicle this in an upcoming blog. 

There were Mathieson plants shipping and recieving anhydrous ammonia at either end of my modeled section of the B&O Old Main Line, so these cars are appropriate for through freights in my 1950 era. Thank you for the insights.  

Best Regards,
Bruce Griffin
Ashland, MD 

PS for my PRR and NCR friends, I biked the RofW from Ashland 21 miles north to New Freedom and had lunch in the old station before heading home. 

Re: Mathieson Tank Cars

Brian Carlson
 

Per Ed Hawkins handout on the Kadee site. You are good.  You could do 10 cars total :)

On Aug 31, 2019, at 11:36 PM, Bruce Griffin <bdg1210@...> wrote:

Friends,

To close the loop on this thread, I ended up just buying a second Kadee ACF 11k insulated tank car with the same number as the first for the same bargain price of $30.  I assumed there was a SHPX 2571 roaming the rails with SHPX 2570. I don’t have access to all of my data so if anyone can confirm, it would be good to know, but I assume this to be true in 1950. I was able to easily remove the zero and replace it with a one. I will chronicle this in an upcoming blog. 

There were Mathieson plants shipping and recieving anhydrous ammonia at either end of my modeled section of the B&O Old Main Line, so these cars are appropriate for through freights in my 1950 era. Thank you for the insights.  

Best Regards,
Bruce Griffin
Ashland, MD 

PS for my PRR and NCR friends, I biked the RofW from Ashland 21 miles north to New Freedom and had lunch in the old station before heading home. 
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Re: Mathieson Tank Cars

pennsylvania1954
 

Re: SAL "STB" Logo on Boxcars

Tim O'Connor
 


Not later than 1959... perhaps earlier



On 8/31/2019 7:19 PM, Allen Cain wrote:
Thanks Tim, any idea when this marking first appeared on SAL boxcars?
Allen Cain


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: Flat car sides

Tim O'Connor
 


Mainline Modeler - 11/1997 pp.26-29 Greg Martin makes improvements to the model to
  represent the AAR 50 ton flatcar C&O #80694; with HO scale drawings

Mainline Modeler - 7/1992 pp.72-76 article has descriptions of improvements to the
  model to make it a better replica; with scale drawings

Mainline Modeler - 7/1991 pp.29-32 simple changes to underframe and new ends to
  model a
CB&Q FM-13 flatcar; with HO scale drawings



On 8/31/2019 9:09 PM, Bill Welch wrote:
Based on article I found in the hobby press—don't remember which magazine or date of—I used the Concor flat to create a very nice and I believe accurate, based on the article, a CB&Q flat car. The kit by that time was intended to be in TOFC service so I had to fill some holes in the deck. I installed new sill steps, grabs, etc.

Bill Welch 

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: Flat car sides

Richard Townsend
 

Don, I'll be in DC next week and will check it out. Somewhere downstairs in my stash is an old Dynamodels HO scale sow with piglets. With an ear-ectomy I will have the proper material to work with. It'll be a bit fussy, but it's nice to know there's a prototype to have in mind. Thanks for your suggestion.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io <riverman_vt@...>
To: main <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Aug 31, 2019 7:22 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Flat car sides

Actually Richard if you take a trip to the Smithsonian you can see a silk purse that Dupont
IIRC made from a sow's ear. I do not know if it was transported there in a STMFC freight car.

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: Flat car sides

Greg Martin
 

Richard,

This article I authored was a way to use up the couple Revell/CON COR in my Jewells in the Junk Box.

Mainline Modeler - 11/1997 pp.26-29 Greg Martin makes improvements to the model to
  represent the AAR 50 ton flatcar C&O #80694; with HO scale drawings
(thanks Tim)

The finished car is not perfect but a very good stand in for the AAR 50 ton Flat and with the help of the late Richard Hendrickson I got through it. He reminded me of the resin version he had developed under West Rails. I picked a prototype with close  relative interchanges to my PRR modeling. Alas the Life Like car hit the market only months later and the Revell car was overshadowed; however the continuing ideas of these "Jewells from The Junk Box" grew, eventually evolving into SHAKE N TAKE.

I bring it often to Cocoa Beach to see who recognizes it for what it is. Regardless, it is a simple project that have some noteworthy techniques for modeling. I have the second left to do and I will, time permitting. I also have at least four Life Like cars to do as well. They'll all be a great mix for my Bowser PRR flats. They need work as well and are simple and inexpensive.

I'd love to know more about the Model Power and the Tyco (SP) cars, both stand ins, but fun projects.

BEN???

Greg Martin


Why Yes I have done some modeling...

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In a message dated 8/31/2019 3:36:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, richtownsend@... writes:

I know they are sow's ears, but I like making silk purses and am hoping for a prototype.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR

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Hey Boss,


Somehow I got deleted from this group in late May. I guess someone didn't like me. Jail is a lonely place.

Greg Martin 

Re: Terms For Freight Car Parts

mike turner
 

To add to the list of terms, Southern Railway ordered hoppers with U.S. Gypsum 'poking platforms.'

--
Mike Turner
MP-Z35

Re: Terms For Freight Car Parts

Tony Thompson
 

mike turner wrote:

To add to the list of terms, Southern Railway ordered hoppers with U.S. Gypsum 'poking platforms.'
All the ore cars on the Minnesota Iron Range once had these platforms, too. Workmen could poke the sticky ore and get it to fall through the bottom doors.

Tony Thompson
tony@...

New York Stencil Drawings on eBay

rwitt_2000
 

This seller has various drawings (blueprints)  for NYC stencils on eBay. Several have initial dates of 1904 with the last revision as 1940.
New listing Old Vintage 1936 NEW YORK CENTRAL RAILROAD Blueprint Drawing - NUMBERS 4" Roman

Bob Witt

Re: Terms For Freight Car Parts

mike turner
 

In this case, Southern used the poking platform as a brake step and as a step above the draft gear on the other end.

On 9/1/2019 7:27 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
All the ore cars on the Minnesota Iron Range once had these platforms, too. Workmen could poke the sticky ore and get it to fall through the bottom doors.
Tony Thompson
tony@...

--
Mike Turner
MP-Z35

Re: Helped needed with reefer identification

Donald B. Valentine
 

Hello folks,

    I'm trying to assist an old friend who is not computer literate but is a serious New Haven modeler.
In the postwar period the New Haven had four Shoreline freights that left Boston every night at half hour
intervals beginning at 5:15 PM. These were known as The Four Horsemen, the second of which left at
5:45. Officially known as The Cannonball, operating personnel refered to it as The Fish because the
head end was always comprised of reefer loads of fish. My friend saw this train frequently but cannot
recall who owned the majority of these reefers. He specifically recalls that many of them had truss rods,
some being swaybacked, and all being very definitely yellow rather than orange. In one photo he took
during these years one appears to have had a circular herald on the end to the right of the door. Tony
Thompson has advised that they could not have been PFE for several reasons. I have suggested FGE
or WFE, with the latter having a smaller, circular GN goat herald than was used on boxcars. I've also
wondered about ART reefers but have trouble with truss rods in this periodon any of the three. These
fish loads were nearly exclusively headed for New York, Philadelphia, Baltimore and Washington, DC
delivery. There is also the possibility that the reefers belonged to some smaller owner or lessor of such
cars but have no idea of who that might have been. Does anyone have any good knowledge of the make
up of this train and the equipment used? It should also be noted that there was a later train with similar
cars that was not one of The four Horsemen but was commonly called the Second Fish. Any help in
determining the actual car ownership would be greatly appreciated.

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: Helped needed with reefer identification

anthony wagner
 

I agree with your thoughts that there were probably many FGEX and WFEX cars in those trains. Both reporting marks were freely mixed by Fruit Growers and both also still had truss rod cars in service then.  The New Haven was also one of the owners of the Fruit Growers consortium so that would have been a natural source of those reefers. Tony Wagner

On Monday, September 2, 2019, 8:10:31 AM CDT, Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io <riverman_vt@...> wrote:


Hello folks,

    I'm trying to assist an old friend who is not computer literate but is a serious New Haven modeler.
In the postwar period the New Haven had four Shoreline freights that left Boston every night at half hour
intervals beginning at 5:15 PM. These were known as The Four Horsemen, the second of which left at
5:45. Officially known as The Cannonball, operating personnel refered to it as The Fish because the
head end was always comprised of reefer loads of fish. My friend saw this train frequently but cannot
recall who owned the majority of these reefers. He specifically recalls that many of them had truss rods,
some being swaybacked, and all being very definitely yellow rather than orange. In one photo he took
during these years one appears to have had a circular herald on the end to the right of the door. Tony
Thompson has advised that they could not have been PFE for several reasons. I have suggested FGE
or WFE, with the latter having a smaller, circular GN goat herald than was used on boxcars. I've also
wondered about ART reefers but have trouble with truss rods in this periodon any of the three. These
fish loads were nearly exclusively headed for New York, Philadelphia, Baltimore and Washington, DC
delivery. There is also the possibility that the reefers belonged to some smaller owner or lessor of such
cars but have no idea of who that might have been. Does anyone have any good knowledge of the make
up of this train and the equipment used? It should also be noted that there was a later train with similar
cars that was not one of The four Horsemen but was commonly called the Second Fish. Any help in
determining the actual car ownership would be greatly appreciated.

Cordially, Don Valentine

Tugs on Flatcars

Andy Laurent
 

Gents,

I found an interesting image of two US Army tugboats on 3 flatcars on the Wisconsin Maritime Museum's web archive. This is on the Ahnapee & Western Railway in Sturgeon Bay, WI in 1943. Hulls on the end cars, pilot houses on the center car.  I would assume that the openings in the deck would have been covered with canvas.  Could be a nice project for those little Sylvan tug kits.

https://wisconsinmaritime.pastperfectonline.com/photo/AC9F4214-546F-46BF-B409-355078807411 

from the collection: https://wisconsinmaritime.pastperfectonline.com/vocabulary 

Cheers,
Andy L
Wisconsin

For sale

Matthew Hurst
 

If this isn't allowed please remove

Hello all,

Decided to thin the heard over the Labor Day weekend

I have several items for sale if anyone is interested... Please respond off list at handbt33@...

I have:

3 Alco products PRR P70 coaches & combines (partially built)

ECW SL observation Undec

BCW restaurant/ lounge (PRR prototype) kit

Walthers PRR diner kit

2) PRR T1s (BLI #5536 super detailed and a Key imports 5500 as built unpainted)

Oriental limited M1 tender painted

PSC B&O Q4b painted lettered #4474

Mantua 0-6-0

Kadee 2 bay offset hopper Cambria & Indiana #647

Red caboose SP G-50-23 GS gondola composite

Red caboose SP S-40-5 stock car 1952 scheme #73357

Intermountain ATSF Rr-32 reefer "Scout" straight line map #35607

Northeastern scale models Unicel box car (Partial built)

Walthers /train miniature stock car kit Undec wood ends

Atlas 11k tank car UTLX/anchorgas #94614

Funaro and Camerlengo C&O 70t triple rebuilt hopper kit

Roundhouse pfaudler milk car Carling brewing

Rapido GARX meat reefer kit Undec

Also I have some buildings I have no use for

4 City classics buildings (Grant st., Penn ave., Baum blvd., East Ohio st.)

Walthers the works Blast Furnace kit

Just contact me OFF LIST. handbt33@...

Thanks,

Matthew Hurst

Re: Looking for photos of grain being loaded/unloaded in box cars

al.kresse
 

Looking for post WW2 photos of grain being moved in box cars.  C&O Walbridge Yard (Toledo) was still classifying ever more grain in box cars in 1962.


Thanks,


Al Kresse

On September 2, 2019 at 10:27 AM anthony wagner <anycw1@...> wrote:

 
I agree with your thoughts that there were probably many FGEX and WFEX cars in those trains. Both reporting marks were freely mixed by Fruit Growers and both also still had truss rod cars in service then.  The New Haven was also one of the owners of the Fruit Growers consortium so that would have been a natural source of those reefers. Tony Wagner

On Monday, September 2, 2019, 8:10:31 AM CDT, Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io <riverman_vt@...> wrote:


Hello folks,

    I'm trying to assist an old friend who is not computer literate but is a serious New Haven modeler.
In the postwar period the New Haven had four Shoreline freights that left Boston every night at half hour
intervals beginning at 5:15 PM. These were known as The Four Horsemen, the second of which left at
5:45. Officially known as The Cannonball, operating personnel refered to it as The Fish because the
head end was always comprised of reefer loads of fish. My friend saw this train frequently but cannot
recall who owned the majority of these reefers. He specifically recalls that many of them had truss rods,
some being swaybacked, and all being very definitely yellow rather than orange. In one photo he took
during these years one appears to have had a circular herald on the end to the right of the door. Tony
Thompson has advised that they could not have been PFE for several reasons. I have suggested FGE
or WFE, with the latter having a smaller, circular GN goat herald than was used on boxcars. I've also
wondered about ART reefers but have trouble with truss rods in this periodon any of the three. These
fish loads were nearly exclusively headed for New York, Philadelphia, Baltimore and Washington, DC
delivery. There is also the possibility that the reefers belonged to some smaller owner or lessor of such
cars but have no idea of who that might have been. Does anyone have any good knowledge of the make
up of this train and the equipment used? It should also be noted that there was a later train with similar
cars that was not one of The four Horsemen but was commonly called the Second Fish. Any help in
determining the actual car ownership would be greatly appreciated.

Cordially, Don Valentine


 


 

Re: Helped needed with reefer identification

Bruce A. Metcalf
 

On 9/2/19 9:10 AM, Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io wrote:

In the postwar period the New Haven had four Shoreline freights that left Boston every night at half hour intervals beginning at 5:15 PM.
... My friend saw this train frequently but cannot recall who owned
the majority of these reefers. He specifically recalls that many of
them had truss rods, some being swaybacked, and all being very
definitely yellow rather than orange. In one photo he took during
these years one appears to have had a circular herald on the end to
the right of the door. ... Does anyone have any good knowledge of the
make up of this train and the equipment used? It should also be noted
that there was a later train with similar cars that was not one of
The four Horsemen but was commonly called the Second Fish. Any help
in determining the actual car ownership would be greatly
appreciated.
You might find some useful ideas in:

"The great yellow fleet : a history of American railroad refrigerator cars" by John H White, San Marino, Calif. : Golden West Books, 1989.

Don't have a copy at hand presently, but it's where I would look first.

Cheers,
/ Bruce /

Re: Helped needed with reefer identification (Great Yellow Fleet)

Bob Chaparro
 

Unfortunately, this book is flawed. The late Richard Hendrickson noted, “The first half of the book on the 19th and early 20th century development of refrigerator cars was, in fact, written entirely by Jack White, and you can take whatever he wrote on the subject to the bank. However, most of the second half of the text and photo captions was written by White's publisher and silent collaborator, Donald Duke, and there are errors of fact or interpretation on almost every page. Duke has a fine track record as a publisher but an abysmal one as a researcher…. Regrettably, you can't believe in the accuracy of anything you read in the second half of the book…”

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Tugs on Flatcars

Bruce Smith
 

Andy,


Awesome photo!  Here are two shots from the Signal Corps Archives, formerly available through the Library of Va, showing two identical vessels on flat cars awaiting shipment at Portsmouth VA. In this case, the location of the pilot houses is covered by a "tent" of what appears to be plywood.


Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Andy Laurent via Groups.Io <andy.laurent@...>
Sent: Monday, September 2, 2019 9:29 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Tugs on Flatcars
 
Gents,

I found an interesting image of two US Army tugboats on 3 flatcars on the Wisconsin Maritime Museum's web archive. This is on the Ahnapee & Western Railway in Sturgeon Bay, WI in 1943. Hulls on the end cars, pilot houses on the center car.  I would assume that the openings in the deck would have been covered with canvas.  Could be a nice project for those little Sylvan tug kits.

https://wisconsinmaritime.pastperfectonline.com/photo/AC9F4214-546F-46BF-B409-355078807411 

from the collection: https://wisconsinmaritime.pastperfectonline.com/vocabulary 

Cheers,
Andy L
Wisconsin

Re: Tugs on Flatcars

Bruce Smith
 

Let's try adding the photos 😉


From: Bruce F. Smith
Sent: Monday, September 2, 2019 4:44:32 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Tugs on Flatcars
 

Andy,


Awesome photo!  Here are two shots from the Signal Corps Archives, formerly available through the Library of Va, showing two identical vessels on flat cars awaiting shipment at Portsmouth VA. In this case, the location of the pilot houses is covered by a "tent" of what appears to be plywood.


Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Andy Laurent via Groups.Io <andy.laurent@...>
Sent: Monday, September 2, 2019 9:29 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Tugs on Flatcars
 
Gents,

I found an interesting image of two US Army tugboats on 3 flatcars on the Wisconsin Maritime Museum's web archive. This is on the Ahnapee & Western Railway in Sturgeon Bay, WI in 1943. Hulls on the end cars, pilot houses on the center car.  I would assume that the openings in the deck would have been covered with canvas.  Could be a nice project for those little Sylvan tug kits.

https://wisconsinmaritime.pastperfectonline.com/photo/AC9F4214-546F-46BF-B409-355078807411 

from the collection: https://wisconsinmaritime.pastperfectonline.com/vocabulary 

Cheers,
Andy L
Wisconsin